I just saw the new Amumu video...

James Stone··48 votes·6,005 views

...and I'm about to pop a vein in my forehead. I never thought such an inocuous thing could make me this mad, but well, here we go.

You know, I already had no problems with the new lore. It was about when they reworked Skarner to be a random bug guarding some random underground ruin that I realized they were going on a direction I wanted no part on, so I've simply distanced myself from it. I had a fanfiction saga going on, dropped it. Used to participate on lore discussions on the old forum daily, nopety nope. Honestly, I was never angry, just dissapointed.

But then, then with this fucking video, it hit me. Everything we lost. And the nothing we now have...

I'm sorry Riot, if you thought political intrigue and actual active interaction between countries/city-states, something completely unique in typical fantasy was too "restricting". But hey. We've got friendship curses.

Sorry if actual, well defined new forms of magic and technology, like hextexh, the integration of hex-runes into technological components, and techmaturgy, were too limiting. Good thing we now have friendship curses!

It's a shame we had to abandon actual deep, thought-provokong, dare I say INSPIRING, themes, like the pursuit of knowledge and progress over your own person, and whenever the limitations on such pursuit come from a fair acceptance of danger or from the fear of the unknown (Xerath), the effects of isolation and loneliness, and the overridance of a desire for blind vengeance for doing the right thing, while proving that rarely a book can be read by it's cover (Skarner), or the prevalence of diplomacy and attempts of peace over conflict and war (The Institute) and how even the best of ideals can be warped and twisted by the wrong men and the right place, blurring the distinction between good and evil and making us ponder if those concepts ever truly existed (The High Council and in a way Summoners in general) intervered with your delusional writers' goddamned sense of grandeur, but hey, at least we have FRIENDSHIP CURSES.

FRIENDSHIP CURSES.

MOTHERFUCKING FRIENDSHIP CURSES

THE LOWEST AND MOST JUVENILE BLOODY CLICHÉ APPLIED TO THE STUPIDIEST AND LESS EXPLAINED FORM OF MAGIC!

This, folks, is what we lost. So please, please let us all thank Riot for all they've given us, now that they aren't constricted by the story the narrative team's predecessors built.

Cringe-worthy piece of shit small video series about a douchebag with an empire made of sand.

Zombie Hanukkah

And freakin' friendship curses.

Halle-fucking-llujah.

I actually prefered when Riot didn't care and stopped expanding their lore. Because at least then they weren't destroying everything they wrote.

But hey.

Friendship-fucking-curses.

Amen.

65 Comments

NorthernDruid29 votes

I actually prefered when Riot didn't care and stopped expanding their lore. Because at least then they weren't destroying everything they wrote.

This. So much this. I'd rather have a story in limbo than in ruins.

But hey, at least the Sion stuff was kinda cool.

Pyro13 votes

But hey, at least the Sion stuff was kinda cool.

That's because it was drawn directly from the old lore (Black Rose, general Darkwill, rise of Swain).

Slushi Simcambi1 votes

YUP

Wordofmask2 votes

I cant deny that fact but The Sion stuff helped us clarify Sion Swain Leb Boram more better. Their presentation and wording is good too. If they don't want to continue creating some new innovative lore they should draw it directly from the old and just give us more explanation of many events.

Sneak Dog24 votes

For Amumu, his greatest desire is to have a friend. The curse (or Amumu himself?) dooms anyone that comes too near. Amumu himself is sad and throws tantrums. He views his curse as a friendship curse because it denies him his greatest wish: friendship. I think the curse itself is more of an isolating curse in general or might even be *almost *harmless, only telling Amumu his greatest fears, after which Amumus own powers do the rest. Why are you throwing a tantrum over his curse when it's the same curse it was anyway? You wanted Riot to change Amumus curse to something different?

I'm not saying I like Riots directions. I lost my faith in narrative when Trundle got removed, got reaffirmed when Xerath go this main motivation and modus operandi changed. I dislike the removal of the IoW.

I have little interest in the new lore. For I know that if I did, tomorrow an announcement could be up telling me that my new favorite character is now removed and replaced. It'll even dare to tell me that this replacement will be a great, new and wonderful character and Riot can't wait to tell stories about the new guy.

But I do not think this video was a step in the wrong direction. It characterised Amumu really well and told us who Amumu is. As long as we also get deeper lore like the noxian diary and stories that don't just exist to show off a character or two but to tell an engaging story, characterisation is great.

Little sidenote, please keep discussion civil and constructive. I get infuriated whenever I think of the Trundle retcon, but just being infuriated doesn't help my argument.

Solideus19 votes

A bit hyperbolic and not very civil. This was the music team's project, not pure lore, so judge it by what it is. Every piece of content will not be fore you, that doesn't mean nothing will ever be for you. Broad and varied appeal is what you should expect. Good stuff also takes a long time to create, do have reasonable expectations for the rate of delivery.

A Superb Villain17 votes

while proving that rarely a book can be read by it's cover (Skarner)

The irony is palpable.

Skarner was moved out of Kalamada and into Shurima, that is all. His lore, like other Shurima champions, was cut to a mere summary, and most act as if this is the final state.

"Oh no, Skarner is just some random crystal bug being all scary and mean in Shurima! Boo hoo, Skarner was removed from Kalamada because the Institute of War no longer exists, thus removing justification for a political incident that created the Dominion map! Waah! Riot is changing everything!"

That is the extent of intelligent discourse in response to Narrative's decisions; bitching.

Am I pleased with every action Narrative has taken? Hell no. Do I whine like a petulant child because the situation appears not to satisfy my desires? Hell fucking no.

I wait, I watch, I play the game and formulate my opinion as circumstances shift to accommodate new information. I do not throw a tantrum because Riot released a music video celebrating the release of an album of assorted League music unrelated to lore. It is disappointing so many "fans" of lore are immediately up in arms over a music video simply because it wasn't what they wanted.

For goodness sake, you are upset that Amumu is essentially the same character he was at release, despite information being leaked that elaborates on the nature of his existence.

FRIENDSHIP CURSES.

MOTHERFUCKING FRIENDSHIP CURSES

THE LOWEST AND MOST JUVENILE BLOODY CLICHÉ APPLIED TO THE STUPIDIEST AND LESS EXPLAINED FORM OF MAGIC!

Very eloquent. Never mind this "Friendship Curse" is less about denying friendship and more about spreading death and decay. It is a psychological torture of delicious sadism; Amumu wants friends, to know who he is and simply be loved, his curse destroys everything he touches, causing people to avoid his presence, to shun his existence, and Amumu cannot understand why. Amumu's despair turns to frustration and rage aimed at those he perceives as deliberately causing him pain through isolation, triggering a very destructive tantrum that effectively obliterates everything in the immediate vicinity. Everyone too near the epicenter of his anguish is dead, Amumu is alone, and his poor reputation grows worse, prompting greater revulsion and deepening Amumu's loneliness. It is a terribly cruel feedback loop.

You are upset, your post made that quite clear, many people share your disappointment, but expressing it like this is pathetic.

Sneak Dog6 votes

I generally agree with you, except for one part:

I wait, I watch, I play the game and formulate my opinion as circumstances shift to accommodate new information.

Given Riots current system of silence, just waiting for Riot to ask for your opinion won't do. Skarner right now looks like he could be changed a lot and Riot has proven itself to be willing to change characters entirely if they think it serves their new story better. It's entirely right of Skarner fans to voice their opinion with the current information available because once Skarners new full lore is settled, I don't think Riot will change it again.

Obviously, it should be civil and contructive feedback or it doesn't actually help things, but just waiting for Riot to release the full Skarner lore before giving feedback about Skarner doesn't work if Riot continues their system of shock reveals.

A Superb Villain5 votes

It is as I have said, I wait and watch. When I see something that gives me reason to voice my opinion, I do, hence my numerous threads on Veigar, whom I adore. I am not saying people should keep silent, or their opinions are worthless, I am saying that whining about something that has no bearing on lore is absurd.

Now Mr. Stone has explained that the Amumu video was the straw that broke the camels back, a phrase which implies an inconsequential action served as the tipping point for discontent, so I understand that his reaction to the disappointment accumulating over the past few months. So his issue is not with the video alone, which I mistakenly presumed, but to a number of lore related blunders Narrative has made.

I should not discourage people from voicing their opinion, but damn I am so tired of people complaining.

LeeDark6 votes

This is the key I think people are forgetting... again. Narrative STILL isn't communicating regularly with the community for feedback on future lore updates. Yet again, their promise to interact with the community better is being broken. The release of this video shows they are working on Amumu... but can ANYONE point to a thread where Narrative talked about the little guy to get people's feedback? Not even in a post about a whole slew of characters they wanted to look at, which would help protect the mystery of which character they were specifically focusing on. They'll come out with more, and so far it looks like it will suck. But hey, I could be wrong. Thing is, even if it doesn't suck, it was done without us. I, for one, never really thought they'd keep that promise, but it was nice to hope.

LordHippoman8 votes

Pretty much this. For every "meh" Shurima video with the new Lore, we've had Sion's kickass relaunch. And not even the JoJ, venerated as the best period of League's lore (Which I do agree with), was immune to weird shit like "Twisted Fate falls off stool, farts. Cut and print."

James Stone21 votes

As I've said, the Amumu thing is innocuous. It's not why I'm mad. It's just what I see like the final straw. And I am angry. I've said so myself, so I'll perhaps (in fact, most likely) be much more emotional and irrational than I'd normally be.

I won't be around blinding myself while saying that the old lore is perfect. It had some glaring issues (especially the original 40's lore, when Riot was still figuring out what they wanted) and some parts where bad or so average, it's meh. Amumu was one of them, this I have no doubt.

I have no particular love for Amumu's lore. He's a sad mummy. He's still a sad mummy. Whatever.

But do not dare, for a single second, tell me Skarner's lore is the same as it is before. That would just be a pitiful attempt at fooling me and yourself.

You know who Skarner was? He was the Crystal Vanguard, the front guard of his kind, buried closer to the surface to be the first to emmerge, to scout ahead so the Bracker (I believe that was the name for his species, as I've said, again, I grew detached to the lore) would know where it's safe to leave. Why did the Bracker go underground in the first place, to hibernate? Because humans fucked up the land so badly with the Rune Wars, the above surface was actively toxic to them. Only the toughest, like Skarner, could survive. The younglings, lacking defenses, would most likely be dead before they were even born.

Now, what happens to Skarner, what made him awake from his hibernation? A grade-A ecological disaster which could easily compare itself with Chernobyl (The lore was created as a reason to justify some of the mechanics of Dominion. The enhanced mana regen and reduced healing? That's the magical equivalent to radiation poisoning. The only reason champions are able to survive is because of the Summoner's protection), caused yet again by the humans and their wars.

Now he has every right to be pissed at the humans. Most of us would no doubt lash out at the first humans we'd find, in Skarner's case the innocent workers which were investigating the disturbance. But after a period of exaltation, did he do that? No, he understood that they had nothing to do with the events which brought him to the surface, so he calmed down, proving that he was the Vanguard of his kind not just by his brute force but also because of his clear mind and spirit, and accompanied them to the Summoners, who explained who they were and their purpose: to stop any further Rune Wars and to reverse the ecological devastation they caused (as you might recall, the Institute was originally created because the Rune Wars rightfully fucked almost every part of Valoran. The Plague Jungles? Rune Wars. The Great Barrier? Rune Wars. Kumundu Jungle critters developing sentience/sapience? Again, Rune Wars. Hell, most of the now ancient geological structures were a direct result of the first and most destructive Rune War, where it is rumored men stole magic from the Gods themselves!).

Skarner understood these Summoners, this Institute, would be the only hope to create a world his species could live. Do you understand what that feels like? Of course you don't, and neither do I. Imagine what it would be like, to be the last human on Earth, surronded by creatures you never saw before, in a world which has chanced countless times since you last saw it, knowing that your actions could directly contribute or doom all of your kind, that million of unborn children could die before even seeing this new strange, yet beautiful world, because you didn't do enough, because you COULDN'T do enough. That's what Old Skarner had to live with. Every single day of his (presumably) long live.

You could feel the pain and loneliness in his voice, his quotes ("This world is so strange..."; "I miss my kind."), the wise, contained being hidden between the scary, deadly monster he appeared to be, the barely contained rage in his voice when he got the chance to enact his buried feelings at those who almost destroyed his kind ("FEEL MY STING!"; "NOW, I'VE GOT YOU.").

In his hands rested the future of the Bracker. In his claws, the spirit of a long forgotten species. In his actions, a better future for his kind.

If Riot is going to take this beautifully crafted story and turn it into something else, they better BACK THEIR FUCKING TRASH and give us proof it was all worth it. Now look around! Look at the Narrative's creations! Is anything, besides the Sion's background, one of the only in recent memory to actually use and merely expand the old story, even at knee-level of Skarner's plight? Are you seriously going to tell me Xerath's new story is better than the old? That being turned from a self-made, deserving man, thirsty for knowledge and power simply because others feared to thread the paths ahead, risking at every turn being consumed by his own desire, sacrificing his humanity, his relationships, and in the end himself, for his dream of crossing paths never crossed before, to a backstabbing Jafar-wannabe who did not even deserve the power he was granted, and merely stole it?

Yes, Amumu was always a sad mummy. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. So far, everything this once-wonderful story full of potential had is being stuffed in the grinder for we to get slightly retouched and improved versions of what we already had, at best, or at worst taking beloved characters and either destroying them completely or embarrassing them beyond belief by giving them some of the most cringiest, stupid-sounding lines I've ever seen from a team of professional writers (My example: Just about everything Nasus says during those horrible Shurima short videos), with stories based on pure Rule of Cool (There is no way in hell Valoran would have been able to survive this long being tag-teamed by the Void, the Shadow Isles and massive city-wide annihalations which seemed to be in style in Ancient Shurima) and with some of the worst Deus Ex Machinas and luck-based plots I've read in recent years (Again, Azir's story. So, let me get this straight. You have a guardian snake who's idea of defending your temple is giving gigantic amounts of power to anyone who trespasses - seriously, Cassiopeia, the noble woman who can only kill from behind, was transformed into a snake-poison mage who has no trouble defeating various men at once, as shown in her portrait, whose powers grow over time - Azir just happened to have a Lazarus Pit around to ressurect/heal Sivir, which apparently never needed to be tended to in the, what, millenia it was in disrepair, and for some reason saving his descendant somehow granted him the right to Ascend, proving that the Sun is an actual, God-like entity, and can directly give untold power to a dude at will, but can't stop a fucking slave from turning his chosen people into sand-colored ash).

You want to know why the "Friendship curse" got me so damned mad? Because it reminded me of where this all started. With Katarina and her bloody passion. Passion, passion, passion, being thrown around like it's the day of the week, with seemingly no understanding of how ridiculous it sounds.

Seriously, Amumu's curse is that he causes everything too close to him to become depressed, and everything he touches to rapidly decay into dry flesh and ash, and you go around saying his curse his, paraphrasing, "to have no friends until the end"? And to top it all off, he's apparently still friends with Annie, because either the narrative team is too lazy to update their damned site, or because reasons that we'll no doubt see "soon(tm)", which is a good way to say it'll maybe be tweeted by a Rioter or answered in a Q&A on Reddit, essentially denying that info to anyone who didn't browse those sites at the right time, or who doesn't use SurrAt20 or LoLKing.

But sure. Let's act as if being left in the dark for about four months about characters we actually gave a fuck about, leaving us only with an insultingly short summary which manages to at the same time sound nothing like old Skarner, while still telling diddly-doddly-shit about the new one, not to mention the other victims of the Grand Retcon, is totally ok. They were planning this for at least a year. A FUCKING YEAR! AND YOU ARE TELLING ME WE SHOULD EXCUSE THEM WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN MANAGE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING HALF MANAGABLE TO FILL THE GAP UNTIL THE "REAL" CHANGES START HITTING? FUCK NO.

Sorry, got carried away again. Point being, no, I should not, and will not excuse this behaviour from a team of people who are being payed to come up with this crap. Most fanfictioners I had the pleasure to work with wrote better than the new lore team. CupcakeTrap and his team write better straight up lore than the bloody official Lore Team!

Perhaps my response comes off as pathetic. I shall accept that. But I shall also take confort that it is nowhere near as pathetic as the Narrative Team's recent behaviour.

Sneak Dog7 votes

You should probably make this post into a thread in a couple of days, perhaps lowering the anger in this post a bit. Your argumentation about Skarner is solid.

And hey, there's still a chance Skarner will come through this retcon relatively unscathed (wow this sentence has a lot of different meanings depending on emphasis).

Balderdash10005 votes

I agree with everything you said. There's a reason I don't care about the lore of lol anymore. Believe me, the only way to enjoy this game is to let the lore part go and never look back, cause they're going to keep doing this bullshit again and again.

A Superb Villain4 votes

This is a large post and I have difficulty with keeping track of information, so please forgive me if I fail to address a point you have made, because there are quite a few.

You clearly have an attachment to Skarner and his lore, and is wonderful to see people resonating so strongly with an enticing story. Considering what happened to many of Shurima related champions and the brutal pruning of their respective lores, your concern is understandable. Skarner had a poignant tale, defending his still sleeping people from potential threats in a world unfit for their return. He was a terrible monster that defied expectations and proved the nobility of his soul.

I would never lie, that his story remains the same, but I do expect Riot's Narrative team to retain the critical aspects of his tale. The Institute of War is dead and circumstances which created the Crystal Scar with it. So how could Riot work to accommodate this change without destroying Skarner's lore? They moved him to Shurima. Those that love Skarner and the lore were distraught, but identifying curious details and piecing them together, I came to my own conclusion, one that may or may not be accurate.

Skarner was moved to Shurima along with the entrance to the sleeping Brackern. That is what he guards, and what could be more precious than protecting access to his hibernating and incredibly vulnerable people? Skarner behaves monstrously because he has no reason to suspect anyone trying to contact the sleeping Brackern have their best intentions at heart, and to prevent word spreading of their location he murders any who trespass.

You mentioned Kalamada's eruption being the disaster which awakened Skarner, an incredibly powerful eruption of magic on par with the atrocities of Rune Wars long gone. Now that he has moved to Shurima, there is nothing to rouse him from such slumber, right? Yet the circumstances surrounding Shurima's greatest tragedy certainly could substitute for Kalamada. The creation of the Crystal Scar destroyed a mining town; Xerath and Azir's misunderstanding destroyed an entire nation. I cannot imagine this being more devastating for Skarner to awaken after countless years of dreaming only to discover the people of Valoran had learned nothing from the Rune Wars. Confronted with the devastation of Shurima, so close to where his own people hibernate, he chooses to remain awake for the sake of protecting his species. He willingly took upon himself the loneliness of centuries until the world was safe for the Brackern once more.

Not only that, but we may now have the reason the Brackern were forced into hibernation to begin with. It was mentioned Nasus and Renekton ascended to combat a grave threat well before the fall of Shurima, and what greater threat could there be than an entire species of angry, crystalline scorpions? That certainly gives the impression of Brackern being evil monsters, but what if they confronted Shurima, perhaps the entirety of Valoran, in the name of protecting the world from nations who so foolishly toyed with powers beyond their understanding? They tried to warn other nations of the terrible magic they recklessly employed, reminding others of the horrifying Rune Wars, but the factions of the time stubbornly refused to give up their magic. With no other option, the Brackern took it upon themselves to save Valoran from ignorance. So great was their fury, it demanded the ascension of two heroes to combat the Brackern's might. Faced with the strength of Shurima born on the shoulders of two demigods, the Brackern relented, deciding if they could not save to people of Valoran, they would wait them out.

Now all of this is merely me talking out of my ass, making wild speculation, but to me it fits the situation Riot has created. The Shurima event was shit, the videos were shit, and Riot's inability to account for the changes it would cause and failing to plan accordingly is shit. However, until Riot makes a spectacular blunder, I am content to piece together what information I have and post my thoughts when appropriate.

I have no delusion Riot values my ideas as valid critique, but I make my posts anyway in the hopes that I am wrong, and I expect others do the same.

Sneak Dog5 votes

and what greater threat could there be than an entire species of angry, crystalline scorpions?

Close, but they were not quite crystalline. You can see a human Renekton fighting a certain other monster.

We have no reason to believe that Skarner still protects his race. He might now be protecting anything, because Riot does not mind retconning characters in favor of new ones if it fits their story better, as indicated by Xerath and Trundle.

James Stone6 votes

It is of no issue. I have stayed the day away from the forums and calmed down, and I realize how aggressive and angry my responses came. Apologies.

And yes, it is good to see that the essence of Skarner can remain. He, along with Viktor and Xerath, are the best representatives of the golden age of lore (with Lux as a honorary mention), and it deeply pains me to see the stories and events I had invested my time learning and caring about gone. However, essence is not nearly enough in Skarner's case. Sometimes, things are more than the sum of its parts.

Even if what you said was right (and let me tell you, I quite enjoyed reading it, you've got a good imagination), it still destroys parts of Skarner. He now is an isolationist. He no longer actively works to try to provide a better world to his kind, he simply waits and waits until everything harmful around him dies. He no longer works with the descendants of those who nearly doomed his kind, understanding that they are different people than their forefathers. He's just a guardian.

What Riot's lore team seems to fail to grasp, is that, above all else, somethings are greater than the sum of their parts. They cannot simply take the "essential" parts of Skarner, of Xerath, Viktor, Lux, Swain, Fiddlesticks, Nasus, Renekton, Trundle and so many others and expect the end result to still be those characters. It won't. At best, we get a Marvel-Style "Ultimate" version of them. At worst (as could be seen long ago with Trundle) the original character dies, mutated beyond all belief.

I praise your optimism, but it is one I cannot reproduce, for a simple reason, one I've stated on a thread before this one:

I may find, in this new lore, some character which entices me as much as Viktor, Xerath and Skarner did. I may like this new lore as I liked the old. But how can I even justify to dedicate myself to it if I know that it is as vulnerable to complete termination and retcon when the next batch of fresh writers Riot inevitably hires will not like to "work with the restraints of the established story" - quote from Opeli, paraphrased. The precendent is set. By allowing the retcon of everything "inconvenient", Riot set themselves to create a lore which is modular and interely inconsequencial, with almost no support to stand and as fragile as the deviations of some new headwriter who thinks he knows it all, or some remnants of the old team, now in power to do what the old team never allowed.

So please, stay optimist, for it is a beautiful thing to be. I, however, will refuse to play the part of the Narrative Team's fool yet again. The new lore for me does not exist. It is an alternative reality to the true League of Legends. And I doubt any argument can dissuade me from this posture.

LeeDark8 votes

I'm sorry, but you are wrong about Skarner. You cannot simply move him to a new location and wash your hands of it. He has to have an origin and purpose. When they get around to revealing that, I'm confident it will be the same shitty tripe they've been giving us so far. They completely changed Xerath's story, even changing the essence of the character. What in the world makes you think they wouldn't do that to Skarner?

I can't tell if you are naive or simply delusional.

ReddeSpectre2 votes

Riot should be paying you for this.

Alljoy11 votes

I can't take Amumu seriously to begin with, he's like the poster boy for Prozac.

Dreamspitter2 votes

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I can't take Amumu seriously to begin with, he's like the poster boy for Prozac.

Same.

#BUT THE FEELS IN THAT VIDEO.

Alljoy5 votes

No feels there, just bite-sized prepackaged generic emotional appeal. I did love the music though, and I really hope they'll release an instrumental version without the silly lyrics.

Dreamspitter4 votes

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No feels there, just bite-sized prepackaged generic emotional appeal. I did love the music though, and I really hope they'll release an instrumental version without the silly lyrics.

Bah, I liked the words.

Alljoy3 votes

No harm, to each their own.

I just felt it was awfully silly was all.

Sentinel9479 votes

I guess I'm the only person who liked the Shurima lore launch, and like Azir as a character.

EndGamer112 votes

I did as well. The relaunch (plus Rek'Sai lore) have finally given us a clear picture of what Shurima was and is. However, much like this video, I feel people who are complaining just don't see what isn't put in front of them on a giant silver platter covered in neon lights. For example, a list of what the OP took from the video: -Amumu has a "Friendship Curse", and it is so because the video said he couldnt have any friends. -Rito has'nt done what I want

Here is a small list of what is ACTUALLY revealed by the video: -Amumu's Curse kills things around him -Because of the above fact, Amumu is forever alone -The curse is either sentient, or Amumu is driven so insane he hears voices -AMUMU IS A YORDLE, confirmed by the fact that his old town has Yordle architecture, along with child-sized doors -Misc. flora and fauna of Runeterra -Tantrum is actually vastly powerful -Amumu's old lore has been kept intact, just expanded in minute ways that only add to his character.

I could go on, but these alone prove that there is more than is explicitly written. If the OP wants, I can do a write-up on the Shurima lore much like the above list.

James Stone3 votes

I'd find that very pleasent, thank you, but unnecessary. You assume I do not know. I do.

The reason Amumu's "Friendship Curse" stuck to me was because it was the trigger (god how I hate that word) for a barrage of anger at the new lore and the Narrative's direction being contained for a long time.

I know the changes of Shurima. And contrary to what most here would want to think of me, I'm not a hatemonger. I liked the change to Nasus and Renekton, making them a direct part of Runeterra, I was neutral to every change which wasn't Skarner and Xerath, and I hated those because I have nothing bug contempt for writers who change what has been established to accomodate what they created, instead of voce-versa.

You may call me many things but I am not ignorant. I know very well the changes I oppose. And it is my opinion that, so far, none of the old lore interfered with anything they presented. As you said, Amumu is essentially the same, simply having an expanded backstory.

As I said on another post, the line "and so you are cursed to remain alome until the end" or a variation of such, got me mad because it reminded me of Kat's infamous first "PASSION!" retcon, and after that the lid blew off. Notice I barely if at all talk about Amumu in the OP afterntue initial paragraph.

Remunial4 votes

You sound upset. Let me give you a hug.

lDontLiftIcarry4 votes

it wasn't that bad. But yeah its was pretty childish and lacked any real depth.

KoKoboto4 votes

Amumu cant make friends because things around him die or grow really old, thats his curse... Pretty sure it was obvious like just from looking at his base-line story "Guy wants friends but can't make any, dosen't know anything about himself" Also Riot made a little lore thingy about how Amumu once touched someonee and that guys arm died why you so mad bro lol and the music video was pretty good Than his unability to make friends cause they'd just all die around him lead him to being sad and throwing tantrums, which then leads to him using his mummy power he also dosen't understand and killing destroying more things around him People who thinks Amumu's curse is a "I can't make friends" curse literally are stupid lol

Quort2 votes

I know some Shadow Isles fellows that would make great friends for someone with a curse like that! cough Karthus cough

Ryu the first4 votes

.............isn't the point of Amumu that the reason he's sad is he can't make friends, even though he tries so hard? Since I'm right on that, isn't it only logical that he has a FRIENDSHIP CURSE?

THE GREAT SLOTH4 votes

I'm honestly not sure at all how to feel about the new lore. From the perspective of someone who thought the lore was an absolute joke in this game before, in my head I'm like, "at least they're…trying? And at least the video looked super cool, if nothing else."

But before, while I didn't care in the least bit about the "lore"(to me it just felt tacked on last minute) I know that a portion of the player base had been in the process of picking up the slack and had pooled their efforts in various attempts to make it something great. I know that some people were really passionate about it, including some of the people at Riot. So for that reason it's sad to me that they decided to dump the whole thing.

In my opinion, it would have been much better to start an open dialogue with the player base about what they actually wanted to see in the LoL universe, rather than just saying, "well, this story clearly blows. Fuck this shit! clicks delete button"

And again, this is coming from someone who knows next to nothing about the lore and has been playing for 3 years. That's not to say that at some point I didn't try to take an interest. When I first started playing the game, I read all the lore of champions I wanted to purchase, until I began to realize that the lore was extremely uninteresting and wasn't really going anywhere… How did they manage to make it worse somehow by trying to make it better?… :/

ProjectRay124 votes

I agree completely. I loved the video, and the song, but not in the lore. The whole of Shurima, where most of my favourite champions come from or are affiliated with, has been ruined lore-wise.

Renekton got screwed, but at least the brothers aren't aliens now. Skarner (even thought he wasn't originally Shurmian) got absolutely demolished. Rammus has no lore at all now. Azir's lore was very poorly thought out and presented. Sivir died. Cassiopeia seems to be a little more shallow now, but otherwise unchanged. Ezreal lost his defining characteristic smugness. You covered Amumu. But the worst of all, to me, was Xerath's lore. Before he had a beautiful, understandable lore, especially with his League Judgement, and you could see he wasn't really evil or good, he just wanted power, and had good reason, giving up everything for it. Now, now he's a bitter slave who upon receiving his freedom promised to him by Azir, murdered everyone he ever knew. Sure it's kind of understandable, but not really. Besides the fact that they don't explain how he accomplished such a feat. I will always see Xerath as his former, greater self, no matter what kind of crap Riot is cooking up in the lore department and set our plates with. Yes, Riot put a lot of good, hard work into the lore. Yes, Riot thought long and hard about the new lore.

No, they did not make the right decision unless they can improve the shitstorm they've brought about.

Riot wanted deep, rich storytelling with the new lore. What did we get? Half-assed "open to interpretation" lore, that has no meaning, that is full of generic storytelling, and that is completely and utterly unfinished, yet they are ignoring it and moving on seemingly.

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

They haven't stopped with the political drama, they just suck at it or are holding on for something. Nothing about the old lore would've stopped this video.

Decrit3 votes

... I am the only one that thinks that the new lore is actually a good base for something, and it actually does not equal his predecessor because the former was developed for more time, had people attached to it and that fantastized over it, and the new one needs to bloom yet?

Xerath is the case where the fanbase demostrated to be ignorant and bigot: he is basically the same as before in every aspect, but since the recent Shurima lore depicts the point of view of only one or few more characters ( in this case nasus and azir ) he is depicted as evil and egoist. They said that, they alerted everyone and yet there was the shitstorm. They are taking too much time? Yes, too much, but a moba does not live out of lore. Face the truth: it server only as promotional material for champions, events and other stuff. And it' s fine this way because they already do great stuff for free while the fanbase cries for more!

At least the people at factions does his own to satisfy the needs of lore, or like every single fanfic writer, instead of whining.

Sneak Dog3 votes

Read the story from his own perspective: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/RdkEIREJ-short-stories-xerathunbound

They changed Xeraths main motivation and modus operandi. He is Xerath, the political ascendant striving for freedom.

They used to do proper lore with the JoJ/judgements and seem to be trying to do proper lore again. I don't like how they freely change already settled characters to fit their new needs though.

Decrit2 votes

i read both that and his lore. i don' t see disconnections... I also know part of his joj lore, like his wife, but i don' t see that changing much either.

Sneak Dog6 votes

Such magic was beyond the limitations of a mortal body, but Xerath obsessively pursued a path to infinite power nonetheless. ... but a greater part still remembered what he'd set out to do—to become something greater. To transcend the mortal body that held other mages back.

His main motivation used to be magic, the pure and true magic.

Xerath decided to take everything, all of the things denied to him, all of the things he deserved: the empire, Ascension, and the absolute purest form of freedom possible. ... knowing that an empire-destroying doom was but seconds away.

Now his life goals are freedom and vengeance. He intentionally destroyed an entire empire.

With every breakthrough he grew more and more powerful, yet not without consequence. Xerath's increasing arcane abilities wrought havoc on his physical form. Desperate, he undertook a dangerous ritual to transcend his dying body.

His modus operandi used to be endless research.

Xerath had planned for every contingency. He had bribed, killed, out-maneuvered, and plotted for decades—he even tricked the monstrous brothers Nasus and Renekton into staying away from the event—but he had not planned for this…

Now he plots, bribes and kills to gain what he wants.


It's quite obvious really. Compare the two lores side by side and you'll see two different men.

Decrit2 votes

you did not quite got what i meant...

If you compare word by word ok, that are different: his modus operandi and condition are now different, i agree, but not his personality or his intent: to gain power, in a way or in an other, and to outrule who was not worthy of commanding power. As such, i see no different mens at all: i see two equal men but in different conditions, that pursue the same objective with the means they can get and with their wits. Sure, about the old xerath rule we knew nothing, but that because it was needed to be added yet in the new xerath lore.

Sneak Dog6 votes

I didn't say his personality was different. That's Trundle. Xerath got his main motivation and modus operandi changed. His goal also changed, he used to want magic, power, but not the political kind. He cared not for these civilizations that would rise and crumble Now he wants freedom, vengeance, and power.

I think ones modus operandi and main motivation are very important for ones identity. He used to be Xerath, the magus ascendant striving to break free from that which inhibited his magic and his true form. Now he is Xerath, the political ascendant that once strived for vengeance and freedom from his slavery. Now he merely strives for vengeance against those who imprisoned him in the tomb? Not sure here.

I see two men blinded by their own obsessions. Willing to pay any cost to achieve what they want. I also see that one man is consumed by vengeance on the side.

Sure, about the old xerath rule we knew nothing,

Could you explain this? Old Xerath didn't rule anything. He went to the IoW to gain access to their nexuses of power.

Yet the nexuses had gatekeepers: petty mages known as summoners. Xerath knew his key to true freedom from his prison lay in gaining their trust, and he offered his power to the League of Legends.

Decrit2 votes

I was meaning the old xerath ruler, the one who was in charge when he was studying. Also, while i do agree that modus operandi tell very much about a subject, it does only so in a even field: old xerath could study on his own, new xerath was ordered to do so ( presumabily because he already had knowledge or skills, you don' t send a common slave to do this stuff) so indeed studied arcane knowledge but had to do plotting too, due to its condition. I also think the two manners are really similiar: not brute force, but wits and knowledge ( while the first was pure knowledge and the second involved more backstabbing). Also new xerath has no political connotations at all: how could it be, if he had to destroy the empire? He only wanted power and freedom for his own ( when he says he "wants the empire" he does not mean dominion, but more in a sense of "possession of destiny", thus destruction).

Some sauces

"A life spent in servitude, first for a mad emperor and now a vain one, endless manipulations for and against the throne, a near-damning quest for barely remembered knowledge that almost consumed him—all of it led to this grotesque masquerade of Ascension. "

"The soured promise ate into what he was, and what he could have been. Denied a small, simple thing, the right to live his life, Xerath decided to take everything, all of the things denied to him, all of the things he deserved: the empire, Ascension, and the absolute purest form of freedom possible. "

"Too late, friend. Too late, brother. Far too late for us all. ", just to remember that while vengeful he is not totally mad by it, and recognizes that he would revert the nasty plot that was already in movement if that was possible.

Sneak Dog3 votes

The ruler was of entirely no relevance in the old story. Why do you bring him up?

How is ascending through endless studying and practising of magic the same as ascending through political means, backstabbing, bribing and murdering? One is through cunning plots and the other is through learning and experimenting. Obviously neither are brute force, but it's not like ones way of approaching things is either with or without brute force. It's much more nuanced than that.

New Xerath doesn't really desire political power, but he sure used it and he sure desires power in general.

just to remember that while vengeful he is not totally mad by it, and recognizes that he would revert the nasty plot that was already in movement if that was possible.

Well....

The singular moment that had cost him so much, that had taken a lifetime of planning. A corrupt empire and its strutting princeling would be struck down under the blankly idiotic sun symbol they both so trusted. The key to immortality, jealously guarded and miserly offered, would be his alone, stolen in front of the entire world. A singular moment of perfect vengeance that would finally free the slave known as Xerath.

Seems to me like he was quite far down there. Xerath dedicated a lifetime to kill his only friend Azir and Azirs entire beloved empire. He had a short burst of clarity after a lifetime of slowly being eaten away by vengeance.

Decrit2 votes

aaand here we go again. Last time i try, after this i just give the fault to me and move on.

First, i asked about old xerath ruler because that was an empty spot: he could have been ruthless, naive, luxirious, an annoying man that sols soaps under everyone' s home... that slot is filled in new xerath lore. just that.

second, xerath did not gain any power by backstabbing before the failed ascension. he bribed, corrupted etc but just to enact revenge. i quoted the lore for a reason: it states that he was ordered to rediscover ancient rites and study magic in order to comprend the ascension. He is the one that readied the ascension for Azir. He only knew how to distort that power to his own end. Bribery and such was only for other things, like luring away Nasus and Renekton, but his ascension is due to knowledge he gathered to enact the old emperor will. Probably forced at the beginning, yes, but then he saw the opportunity of a lifetime and fiddled with it.

Third, Azir is not his frien

metriccybernetic1 votes

Political Xerath COULD be a good story. It just needs a lot more development. Not just solely on him, but the circumstances which caused him to adopt these characteristics. Is he perhaps an enslaved Icathian, oppressed by the Shurimans and made to work as a slave, yet possesses magical talents (that could potentially get him killed) far beyond most magi of his age? Perhaps, when he was young, a naive but kind-hearted prince took pity on him and snuck him into Shurima's Mage Guild/Academy, granting him a certain degree of immunity to the prejudice of the Shurimans?

It could be made into something pretty cool.

IF Riot could muster up the effort to do so.

Sneak Dog1 votes

You misunderstood me, I think both his old and new stories are great, though the new one is a bit basic. It's just that his modus operandi and main motivation got changed. These changes are grounds for me to say that his character got changed. And that is what I have an issue with.

metriccybernetic2 votes

So you don't like his change of character? Fair enough. I can understand that Xerath could easily be inserted as the character who reduced Shurima to ruins through his thirst for knowledge, though I do think that merging of the new Xerath and the old could prove to be a very interesting 'take' on him.

slippykitten2 votes

This theme runs through their entire company - simplify everything possible for the least acceptable work and maximize profits from lcs. It has been a LOOOOOOOOOONG time since riot did anything to show that they are still concerned with the actual fans of the game itself.

Sneak Dog8 votes
  • You mean like releasing their music for free (recent album).
  • Making music for the sole purpose of releasing it for free (pentakill).
  • Acquiring their own tier 2 internet network to improve connections to their servers instead of letting players be hampered by internet backbones and inefficient routing that is entirely outside of Riots responsibility.
  • Allowing any of their staff to engage with the community if they want to, even though they mess up every now and then.
  • Systematically putting new champions in the free rotation X weeks after their release.
  • Systematically discounting newly released skins upon release.
  • Giving a mystery skin to the largest part of the playerbase for not being negative.

All these things make me happy. I'm more likely to spend money on their game if I'm happy. Look how greedy they are, they're trying their hardest to make me happy just to squeeze more money out of me.

Dreamspitter3 votes

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  • You mean like releasing their music for free (recent album).
  • Making music for the sole purpose of releasing it for free (pentakill).
  • Acquiring their own tier 2 internet network to improve connections to their servers instead of letting players be hampered by internet backbones and inefficient routing that is entirely outside of Riots responsibility.
  • Allowing any of their staff to engage with the community if they want to, even though they mess up every now and then.
  • Systematically putting new champions in the free rotation X weeks after their release.
  • Systematically discounting newly released skins upon release.
  • Giving a mystery skin to the largest part of the playerbase for not being negative.

All these things make me happy. I'm more likely to spend money on their game if I'm happy. Look how greedy they are, they're trying their hardest to make me happy just to squeeze more money out of me.

#AND THEY'RE RELEASING 4 750RP skins

With NEW models

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