One of the biggest problems with Azir is his manacosts

Sasogwa·Jul 8, 2016·44 votes·2,091 views

A part of why Azir is such a beast lategame is that his manacosts do not grow on rank, they stay the same, unlike a lot of other champions. This makes him able to get a full build without even needing a mana or manaregen component, so he can go for even more of a crazy scaling build. Giving him scaling manacosts could help limit that and force him to take or some other mana item that has less synergy (since CDR doesn't give him attackspeed anymore, for instance). Of course he's still very complicated to balance due to his incredible power status in competitive yet very low winrate otherwise.

74 Comments

HawkefireJul 9, 20166 votes

I am perfectly fine with Azir being a beast lategame. The thing I dislike is that he is able to have a fairly safe earlygame and has access to too many tools during said earlygame.

One person suggested that we remove the damage on his Q and simply make it a re-positioning tool for his soldiers, an idea that I like quite a bit (of course he would need some buffs to compensate). This would remove his burst potential (and significantly remove his earlygame presence, something that a lategame hypercarry really shouldn't have anyway) while not really affecting his DPS (and I feel that DPS is farm more important for Azir's identity).

DivewingJul 9, 20161 votes

You are my hope for all these Azir QQ posts that think w should be nerfed and Q buffed

Serpents EmbraceJul 9, 20161 votes

Please this.

And this would kind of help easily redefine him since they'd be able to put a lot of power in to something else. Way lower Q cooldown, for one. Ramping attack speed whenever his soldiers hit something maybe? Return the E shield? They'd have a lot of options, at least.

And yeah, Azir is totally a DPS mage. That's what people think of when they think of him, and his Q being so bursty takes away from that.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20164 votes

Azir's new build is already Morello with Berserker.You can look LZ-SSG game 1.

AstôlfoJul 8, 201611 votes

Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20162 votes

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Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.

Not only one game.

Azir's new and effective build.You should learn the game or Azir.Have you enough Azir game?

PoskeJul 8, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=llWInAGY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-08T19:57:50.951+0000)

Not only one game.

Azir's new and effective build.You should learn the game or Azir.Have you enough Azir game?

Who ever went for nomicon probably took Attackspeed quints marks etc

At that point it works

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=llWInAGY,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-08T19:59:22.026+0000)

Who ever went for nomicon probably took Attackspeed quints marks etc

At that point it works

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRKR1/1120549?gameHash=0a6dd1a22f416be4&tab=builds&participant=8

True.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 8, 20161 votes

Nice, as an Azir player I already migrated to berserkers greaves, but I figured that Morello wouldn't be useful unless I'm against heavy sustain, so I regulated it to a more situational build.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 9, 20161 votes

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Nice, as an Azir player I already migrated to berserkers greaves, but I figured that Morello wouldn't be useful unless I'm against heavy sustain, so I regulated it to a more situational build.

The most effective build so Riot was nerfed Azir again.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 8, 20164 votes

The way I see it, his non scaling mana costs allow him to become a hyper carry.

I play Azir, and during laning I know I can spam W and q all day to harrass,but I'll run out of mana super quickly. The mana costs gates me from doing much early game.

As I level up my mana increases but my spells don't increase in cost, so I can start playing like a AP ADC late game.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20163 votes

Yeah, that is a thing that should be changed, not sure why it's static. However, Azir is really weak right now, and needs reworks/buffs/changes as a whole.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20163 votes

And of course the whining and crying QQers downvote me. How amusing.

SpecterVonBarenJul 8, 20163 votes

Make his W cost no mana to use. Then make it so his soldiers autos cost mana.

DænariusKhølerinJul 8, 20165 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WO0mirjlQ

SpecterVonBarenJul 9, 20162 votes

Why the downvote city?

Sassmast3rJul 9, 20161 votes

Because here in the League of Legends community, instead of respectfully responding with any words whatsoever, we just downvote and hope the author of said comment can read our minds as to why we dislike it, since we don't have the energy to type a few sentences in response ;)

Sorry feeling sassy rn

DænariusKhølerinJul 9, 20161 votes

I didn't downvote you buddy ;) I never downvote anyone unless they are being really toxic or say something completely dumb/irrelevant.

You'll find it's really easy to get downvotes on the Boards though. If you just say something like... "I like Dyna Q!"

SpecterVonBarenJul 9, 20161 votes

I just wish the people that downvote me would at least make a reply so I can know what it was I said that made them downvote. Can't improve or learn if no one tells you what's wrong.

DænariusKhølerinJul 9, 20161 votes

Yep. It's like someone hitting you because they don't like something you said instead of using words. :/

Papa SlothyJul 8, 20162 votes

I think his w cost should stay static but the q, e and r should def scale

RalanrJul 8, 20161 votes

I thought they did honestly. Course I don't play Azir so I don't know.

Papa SlothyJul 8, 20161 votes

they don't

Guy Fox TeemoJul 9, 20162 votes

I don't really give a shit about LCS, so I don't even know why Riot bothers with that, who cares if he has a 100% win rate in LCS, 80% of the player base doesn't watch it, except for Worlds.

He's fine how he is currently weak even. (Experienced players only average a 52-53% win rate). He's just annoying as shit, but thats problem just with his Design, simple tunes here and there aren't going to fix it.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

You said I have ample evidence but your statistics are only win rates.By the way I didn't say Azir is op and you got me wrong.

I said Azir new build and effective build.You started showing Azir's win rates and started talking his power.

You mentioned about downvotes.I don't care.Everyone knows.

Your humor is sick like you.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20164 votes

Not sure why you started an entirely separate chain of comments. Uh, winrates are statistics. They are the only relevant statistic in determining winrate. Hence, multiple winrates across various factors and how each factor impacts them. And coincidentally enough, they're low no matter what factor it is or how the factor is changed. Conclusion? Azir is weak, because no matter what he does or has, he still can't achieve actual good results.

I wasn't even replying to you about his winrates. I was agreeing about the static mana cost being bad. But I was saying that Azir is in a bad spot anyways due to multiple reasons (underperforming yet oppressive and unfun to play against type of kit, etc). Hence, I said he needs more than just plain nerfs, and that reworks/buffs as a whole would be better. Oh huh, I see it's come to the "I don't care and I don't have anything left to say so I'll just rant" response. Okay, cool. And for "everyone", that's certainly not a lot of people.

And... ad hom. Cool, it sure helps your nonexistent argument/proof.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

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Not sure why you started an entirely separate chain of comments. Uh, winrates are statistics. They are the only relevant statistic in determining winrate. Hence, multiple winrates across various factors and how each factor impacts them. And coincidentally enough, they're low no matter what factor it is or how the factor is changed. Conclusion? Azir is weak, because no matter what he does or has, he still can't achieve actual good results.

I wasn't even replying to you about his winrates. I was agreeing about the static mana cost being bad. But I was saying that Azir is in a bad spot anyways due to multiple reasons (underperforming yet oppressive and unfun to play against type of kit, etc). Hence, I said he needs more than just plain nerfs, and that reworks/buffs as a whole would be better. Oh huh, I see it's come to the "I don't care and I don't have anything left to say so I'll just rant" response. Okay, cool. And for "everyone", that's certainly not a lot of people.

And... ad hom. Cool, it sure helps your nonexistent argument/proof.

Win rates aren't enough.Important but not enough.Meanwhile you are still talking about win rates.I didn't talk about win rates, your other false.I talked about new Azir build so you don't append your stats discussion.

My one comment was about build.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20163 votes

._. Uh, winrates are the only piece of data that matters. You are incorrect. Every other piece of data can be used as a factor for the winrate or just be discarded entirely. Therefore, no other factor is the key.

Also, I never asked you to debate winrates with me. I wasn't even fucking replying to you about the new Azir build when I was talking about winrates and Azir being weak. Holy fuck. Do you know how to read? I. WAS. NOT. REPLYING. TO. YOUR. POST. ABOUT. BUILD. WHEN. I. SAID. AZIR. WAS. WEAK. There, does that help?

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

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._. Uh, winrates are the only piece of data that matters. You are incorrect. Every other piece of data can be used as a factor for the winrate or just be discarded entirely. Therefore, no other factor is the key.

Also, I never asked you to debate winrates with me. I wasn't even fucking replying to you about the new Azir build when I was talking about winrates and Azir being weak. Holy fuck. Do you know how to read? I. WAS. NOT. REPLYING. TO. YOUR. POST. ABOUT. BUILD. WHEN. I. SAID. AZIR. WAS. WEAK. There, does that help?

Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.

Don't lie.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20163 votes

I have an honest question. Is English not your first language? Because I'm getting the feeling you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. When I said salty people were downvoting my post, I was referring to MY OWN POST ABOUT AZIR BEING WEAK. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POST.

That post ("Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.") was LITERALLY THE ONLY POST I MADE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD THAT WAS ABOUT YOUR POST ABOUT THE NEW AZIR BUILD.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

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I have an honest question. Is English not your first language? Because I'm getting the feeling you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. When I said salty people were downvoting my post, I was referring to MY OWN POST ABOUT AZIR BEING WEAK. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POST.

That post ("Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.") was LITERALLY THE ONLY POST I MADE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD THAT WAS ABOUT YOUR POST ABOUT THE NEW AZIR BUILD.

You mentioned about Azir's build I answered you.I didn't misunderstanding following I put my evidence, then you bet but I can not see your ample evidence.

I want your ample evidence about Azir's build.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20162 votes

Your original post mentioned one single game. I was replying to that, because I wanted to point out that one single game does not suddenly make for a new item build meta on Azir. After that, you posted that it was not just one game, so I acknowledged that and stopped replying.

I wasn't even talking about your fucking Azir build, why do you keep asking me about that?

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

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Your original post mentioned one single game. I was replying to that, because I wanted to point out that one single game does not suddenly make for a new item build meta on Azir. After that, you posted that it was not just one game, so I acknowledged that and stopped replying.

I wasn't even talking about your fucking Azir build, why do you keep asking me about that?

Because everyone uses Azir's new build.I'm not stupid.I know Azir's popular and new build.I don't talk about one single game.I gave only one example.I can give 25-30 examples more.

AstôlfoJul 8, 20161 votes

No, everyone does not use Azir's "new build". New builds are always tried out. Sometimes people like them and follow along on the trend. And I wasn't even talking about the new build, I never did. So you literally have no reason to be arguing with me. So why are you?

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

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No, everyone does not use Azir's "new build". New builds are always tried out. Sometimes people like them and follow along on the trend. And I wasn't even talking about the new build, I never did. So you literally have no reason to be arguing with me. So why are you?

You did about build.Everyone uses Azir's new build after stinger nerf.You probably don't follow patch notes or meta so I won't continue this absurd discussion.Look last competitive games.Azir's new build is that.

CeexSettJul 8, 20161 votes

Guys please, can't you peacefully agree to violently completely disagree? D:

OleandervineJul 8, 20162 votes

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I have an honest question. Is English not your first language? Because I'm getting the feeling you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. When I said salty people were downvoting my post, I was referring to MY OWN POST ABOUT AZIR BEING WEAK. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POST.

That post ("Wow, one game has decided everything. Such conclusive.") was LITERALLY THE ONLY POST I MADE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD THAT WAS ABOUT YOUR POST ABOUT THE NEW AZIR BUILD.

If you haven't guessed from his broken English and the EUW tag next to his name, he's clearly European and English clearly isn't his primary language. You are having an argument, a heated one at that, with a gentleman who most likely doesn't understand some of the words you are using.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 9, 20161 votes

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If you haven't guessed from his broken English and the EUW tag next to his name, he's clearly European and English clearly isn't his primary language. You are having an argument, a heated one at that, with a gentleman who most likely doesn't understand some of the words you are using.

I understand his words but he denied.

He mentioned about Azir's new build but he denies.You look his first comment that is enough.He underestimated.I know allusion.

I said to that guy I don't care downvotes so his some words were unnecessary.He said again I didn't downvote you but my problem is his behaviour.I don't care Azir's win rate or other stats.

My grammar isn't good but I understand.

Vistha KaiJul 8, 20166 votes

I'll give you a simply, but important advice about Akatsuki Deidara.

Don't bother responding to him.

It's simply not worth the time.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=llWInAGY,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2016-07-08T21:21:43.730+0000)

I'll give you a simply, but important advice about Akatsuki Deidara.

Don't bother responding to him.

It's simply not worth the time.

Same.With fidelity.You defend wrong people.You continue.

Vistha KaiJul 8, 20167 votes

I defend only myself, while havin' a giggle reading your ass-pulled pseudo-arguments.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/fe60000bba9d927300731223327e8976/tumblr_n4asspfTXE1ralzydo1_500.gif

Vistha KaiJul 8, 20161 votes

Imagine, if Azir's Q costed 150 mana at rank 5.

http://i.imgur.com/P3oNbg2.gif?noredirect

CeexSettJul 8, 20161 votes

Imagine it crashing the Azir player's computer

Make it happen please [zombie-nunu-hearts]

Vistha KaiJul 8, 20161 votes

But if it'd crash their computers, how would I be able to kill them, while they have 0 mana to WQE "Nope" out of the lane?

EvewynnJul 8, 20161 votes

You think the super strong and efficient Morello's would hurt his late game in any noticeable way?

dw we outscaleJul 8, 20161 votes

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HazyCloud7Jul 8, 20163 votes

He's saying that Azir's mana costs should increase and implying it's too easy to manage his mana efficiently at the moment.

I don't agree with it, but that's what he's saying.

VerdadeJul 8, 20161 votes

W+Q costs 110 mana in lane for rather unsatisfying damage. Meanwhile VK's W+E costs the same and takes like 1/2 of enemy's hp

LankPantsJul 9, 20161 votes

His E should probably cost a lot more and refund some mana if he hits a target. You're currently not really rewarded that much for getting on top of Azir because he can always just E away. If Es cost were a little more significant then you'd at least get some reward for closing on him before he jumped away.

DEmperor95Jul 9, 20161 votes

Well I would argue that Azir is supposed to be a beast late-game, that's his identity. Also having non-scaling mana costs has the disadvantage of high mana cost in the early game. 70 mana on rank 1 Q with terrible damage means that he actually needs to manage his mana and not spam his abilities. Good balance if you ask me.