Anyone care to explain?

The thigh guy·Aug 12, 2019·2 votes·1,865 views

Why is it that adcs get shit for doing a lot of damage, but assassins don’t get anywhere near the same amount of shit for doing similar damage, earlier in the game, and with more utility.

Let’s look at the core builds (3 items) for these two roles.

Adc build looks like this. Infinity edge - damage Rapid fire cannon - damage and a small amount of ms Second zeal item - damage and a small amount of ms.

Yet assassin builds look like this

Duskblade - shit ton of damage, vision removal Youmuu’s - damage, ms steroid, another ms steroid Edge of night - damage, spell shield, tank stats

These builds are doing similar damage, and the assassin build spikes on just the duskblade, yet adcs are getting shit for needing 3 items to be relevant.

33 Comments

preternaturalAug 12, 20194 votes

late game fantasies come at a price

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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late game fantasies come at a price

That’s about all they are. Fantasies. Late game doesn’t exist. And even if we do make it to late game, the assassin build still rivals an adcs build in damage.

PandaNator43Aug 12, 20194 votes

ADCs get range. Most assassins don't.

If ranged DPS champions come online too early it creates a really boring meta - see 2017.

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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ADCs get range. Most assassins don't.

If ranged DPS champions come online too early it creates a really boring meta - see 2017.

Okay? I’m pretty sure adc’s range advantage is more than covered by assassins almost always having 2 or more dashes/blinks/gap closers built into their kits.

PandaNator43Aug 12, 20194 votes

Yes. Different champions do different things.

Whats you're point?

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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Yes. Different champions do different things.

Whats you're point?

Did you even read anything I said? :/

Why do adcs get shit for doing exactly what assassins do, but without nearly as much utility as assassins get?

PandaNator43Aug 12, 20191 votes

ADCs get attack speed. and Crit. Thats not "shit."

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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ADCs get attack speed. and Crit. Thats not "shit."

And assassins get mass ad, lethality and defensive utility that they shouldn’t. So again. Answer the question or I’ll just stop responding.

Also adcs get shit and is people complain about them getting damage when that’s all they get.

PandaNator43Aug 13, 20191 votes

I have answered the question. ADCs get range, AS, and Crit.

You just don't like the answer.

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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I have answered the question. ADCs get range, AS, and Crit.

You just don't like the answer.

Keep misinterpreting the question guy.

PandaNator43Aug 13, 20191 votes

Also adcs get shit and is people complain about them getting damage when that’s all they get.

You use the word "get" two different ways in that sentence.

Also adcs get shit and is people complain

getting damage

when that’s all they get.

You also use the word "get" in another way here.

assassins get mass ad, lethality and defensive utility

If you're asking what stats ADC items provide, as in "getting damage", then I answered that: "ADCs get range, AS, and Crit."

If you're asking why people complain, as in "adcs get shit and is people complain," then I answered that as well in the original comment: "If ranged DPS champions come online too early it creates a really boring meta - see 2017."

What you've written is a bunch of complaining about Assassins.

What I think you're trying to say is "ADCs need a buff." Or maybe "Assassins need a nerf." Is that what you're trying to say?

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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You use the word "get" two different ways in that sentence.

You also use the word "get" in another way here.

If you're asking what stats ADC items provide, as in "getting damage", then I answered that: "ADCs get range, AS, and Crit."

If you're asking why people complain, as in "adcs get shit and is people complain," then I answered that as well in the original comment: "If ranged DPS champions come online too early it creates a really boring meta - see 2017."

What you've written is a bunch of complaining about Assassins.

What I think you're trying to say is "ADCs need a buff." Or maybe "Assassins need a nerf." Is that what you're trying to say?

People complain about adcs doing damage while building entirely damage.

People don’t complain about assassins doing damage and getting utility while building entirely damage.

PandaNator43Aug 13, 20191 votes

Ah, yes, that is dumb. Although I do see a lot of complaints about damage in general.

yay we reached common ground :)

ZeyphelAug 13, 20191 votes

Because ADCs aren't Assasins?

And no, ADC don't do the same job than assasins.

Buckeye2002Aug 13, 20191 votes

ADCs shouldn't have the burst assasins have. Assasins have to actually get close to kill people and that's their job....adcs are the carries and take towers and crush tanks. two different roles....so assasins should have the highest burst in the game, because it's what they do. The other issue is ADCs never build items to help the team (executioners, MAw, merc treads, tabbi), they only build glass cannon damage then whine when they get bursted...they complain about a fed ww or a soraka but will never buy the item that destroys them. As a Diana player, I will build morellos, but its 3k, executioners is 800 gold.

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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ADCs shouldn't have the burst assasins have. Assasins have to actually get close to kill people and that's their job....adcs are the carries and take towers and crush tanks. two different roles....so assasins should have the highest burst in the game, because it's what they do. The other issue is ADCs never build items to help the team (executioners, MAw, merc treads, tabbi), they only build glass cannon damage then whine when they get bursted...they complain about a fed ww or a soraka but will never buy the item that destroys them. As a Diana player, I will build morellos, but its 3k, executioners is 800 gold.

Adcs shouldn’t have the burst assassins do. And assassins should have the utility they do. They both do similar damage, yet adcs get none of the utility assassins do in their items. That’s my problem.

Buckeye2002Aug 13, 20191 votes

wait what utility? zhonyas is like GA, and banshess is like qss.....yes they are different, but they are for the same situations.

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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wait what utility? zhonyas is like GA, and banshess is like qss.....yes they are different, but they are for the same situations.

Duskblade - immunity to vision and vision denial Youmuu - ms and more ms Edge of night - literal spellshield and tank stats.

Buckeye2002Aug 15, 20191 votes

Some ADCs use those items....I mean I don't see how any of those items aren't related to assassin. ADCs have the highest DPS, which means they kill tanks and take towers, assasins are used to kill carries, so it's stupid when an ADC can outburst an assassin.

The thigh guyAug 15, 20191 votes

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Some ADCs use those items....I mean I don't see how any of those items aren't related to assassin. ADCs have the highest DPS, which means they kill tanks and take towers, assasins are used to kill carries, so it's stupid when an ADC can outburst an assassin.

There are no current adcs using lethality items consistently. And those that do lack the mobility assassins have. And there is no adc outbursting an assassin without being disgustingly fed.

HotarµAug 12, 20192 votes

ADCs deal sustained damage and Assassins almost universally only deal burst damage? Also, you're severely downplaying ADC items.

Infinity edge - damage

Strong damage and a 25% bonus to critical strike damage.

Rapid fire cannon - damage and a small amount of ms

And crit chance and attack speed and an energized effect that increases AA range + increase the effectiveness of those energized attacks.

Second zeal item - damage and a small amount of ms.

Again, and crit chance and attack speed and an energized effect that gives some decent burst damage + waveclear ability.

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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ADCs deal sustained damage and Assassins almost universally only deal burst damage? Also, you're severely downplaying ADC items.

Strong damage and a 25% bonus to critical strike damage.

And crit chance and attack speed and an energized effect that increases AA range + increase the effectiveness of those energized attacks.

Again, and crit chance and attack speed and an energized effect that gives some decent burst damage + waveclear ability.

And what does EVERY thing you’ve just said turn into? That’s riiiiiight. Damage. That’s ALL adc items do. Damage. Yet they get shit for doing a decent amount of damage.

HotarµAug 12, 20191 votes

And what does EVERY thing you’ve just said turn into? That’s riiiiiight. Damage. That’s ALL adc items do. Damage. Yet they get shit for doing a decent amount of damage.

Actually no, attack speed increases someone's DPS, not their actual damage stat. So yes, while on a technicality you may be correct, attack speed does more than just increase someone's damage.

1 - Waveclear. More attacks equal more minion kills. Simple. 2 - Objectives. More attacks increases someone's ability to push objectives. 3 - Time to kill. More attacks mean you can take your target out faster, like an Assassin before they can reach you.

lolipopevelynnAug 12, 20192 votes

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Why is it that adcs get shit for doing a lot of damage, but assassins don’t get anywhere near the same amount of shit for doing similar damage, earlier in the game, and with more utility.

Let’s look at the core builds (3 items) for these two roles.

Adc build looks like this. Infinity edge - damage Rapid fire cannon - damage and a small amount of ms Second zeal item - damage and a small amount of ms.

Yet assassin builds look like this

Duskblade - shit ton of damage, vision removal Youmuu’s - damage, ms steroid, another ms steroid Edge of night - damage, spell shield, tank stats

These builds are doing similar damage, and the assassin build spikes on just the duskblade, yet adcs are getting shit for needing 3 items to be relevant.

because ADCs do assassin level damage AT RANGE and with the safety of getting peeled by their forced slave support. wanna know why Sivir and Jinx are so popular right now? they are ranged assassins that real assassins cant kill. and they dont even have jumps/dashes/blinks. "but hurr ADCs no burst!" ya, you havent played the game for even a full day yet if you havent got double critted by a 3 item core build ADC by now.

the thing about assassins is they have always been very high risk champions. try maining an assassin like Evelynn vs a team consisting of Leona Morgana Caitlyn Aatrox Hecarim . not fucking happening. but ANY meta ADC can comfortable shoot away at that team from a range and hard carry it.

also if you noticed, nothing hard counters ADCs except other ADCs and Yasuo because of windwall.

The thigh guyAug 12, 20191 votes

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because ADCs do assassin level damage AT RANGE and with the safety of getting peeled by their forced slave support. wanna know why and are so popular right now? they are ranged assassins that real assassins cant kill. and they dont even have jumps/dashes/blinks.

And they do it without any utility. Yet assassins do roughly equal damage earlier and with more utility and mobility.

Malix FarwinAug 13, 20191 votes

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And they do it without any utility. Yet assassins do roughly equal damage earlier and with more utility and mobility.

Without any utility!? Have you see how effective Jinx/caitlyn Traps are, how about ashe slows/ultimate.

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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Without any utility!? Have you see how effective Jinx/caitlyn Traps are, how about ashe slows/ultimate.

In items. That’s the point of the post. Not going to type it out again so look at my previous reply.

AhhShucksAug 13, 20191 votes

Sivir has a large team speed buff and jinx has a long range slow and a root/area denial ability.

They definitely have some utility.

The thigh guyAug 13, 20191 votes

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Sivir has a large team speed buff and jinx has a long range slow and a root/area denial ability.

They definitely have some utility.

In items.

Sure. Sivir has a ms steroid. Then gets only damage from her items and a small amount of ms.

Then look at talon. He does similar if not more damage, earlier, has multiple dashes and gap closers, then gets everything sivir gets and then some from his items.

ZardoAug 12, 20193 votes

What meta are you living in? In this meta ez and kaisa both have above 40% pickrates and above 20% banrate. Sivir and jinx dont even come close to this.

boricCentaur1Aug 12, 20191 votes

Adc do damage over time and assassins do burst. If someone has 2000 hp the assassin should kill quicker but if someone has 3000 hp the adc will kill quicker.

Assassins items fall off hard. Most games go on for around 30 mins and most of the time 20 mins is enough for assassins to fall off.

Also it's less fun to get almost one shot because of a crit from cait or jinx at a range you do reach and with just a right click where a assassin has to jump on you and actually use there kit.

HeresyHorusAug 15, 20191 votes

What is the point of this post ?

ADCs already do assassin level damage from range and many of them have better innate utility than assassins like Ashe jinx cait sivir Varus kalista

Thier "exclusive" items also have utility.

Reaver gives cdr + mana Zeal line gives aoe + movespeed + shields GA gives second life Ruined king gives lifesteal + speed + slow + hp shred Bloodthirster and death dance are just stupidly op broken items. Mortal gives grevious wounds

U can also build all the assassins and fighters items u wish without real sacrifice as u only need 50% crit chance.

Just tell me what the point of ur post ffs.

ADCs get shit because right clicking is so hard and skillful and people don't like being outplayed by skillful right clicking or being peeled by vayne or trist hard to land self peel or having ADCs dodge their brain dead easy to land skill shots with thier delayed dashes and mobility.

What the point of this post ffs again ?