It would be great if literally any jungle improvements could be made

Yenn·Jul 13, 2019·35 votes·11,621 views

Especially to address the impossibility of even attempting to play the game from behind. As it stands, if the enemy jungle picks up a couple of kills, they can just invade you 24/7 and you're basically removed from the game, despite having had no interaction with them.

This role has been in a piss poor state for way longer than should be considered acceptable, and there have been zero changes in the last handful of patches to improve this.

20 Comments

WoodakoodashoodaJul 13, 20199 votes

It's not just about the enemy jungle getting a few kills and assists early on that makes farm difficult. The jungle can't farm effectively when ally turrets are lost as the enemy gains majority control over the map in those areas of the map, which makes nearby camps theirs for the taking.

JuiceBoxPJul 13, 20198 votes

I used to main support/jungle

I didn't touch the jungle ever since the scuttler nerf.

A role that's been pissed on by riot for ever now.

TobykachuJul 13, 20198 votes

It honestly astonishes me how jungle can be left in this state for so long. In almost all the games I play, the outcome is decided by the jungler and how well they can get their lanes ahead, yet somehow at the same time, the role feels extraordinarily difficult to carry with.

GonahtanuGepardiJul 13, 20193 votes

that's because jungle is not a carry role and it's not intended to be one either. jungle is a supportive role and jungler is supposed carry his team to carry him.

The thigh guyJul 13, 20195 votes

But but but. Top laners are crying jungler is too op? They’d never try and scapegoat while being the best lane in the game atm.

preternaturalJul 13, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lezJs9J7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-13T09:37:44.196+0000)

But but but. Top laners are crying jungler is too op? They’d never try and scapegoat while being the best lane in the game atm.

the jungle role literally gets to decide who does and doesn't have fun for a game so it's pretty strong, it's just that the position can't be autofilled because rito think that xp nerfs are great for the jungle instead of just giving them a valuable camp to go clear or contest that is time consuming to clear. now everyone needs to have Korean jungle pathing to even be serviceable to a team and if the jungler goes beyond that then you autowin, unless we're talking about masters+ which we aren't.

BoilTheOilJul 13, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lezJs9J7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-13T09:37:44.196+0000)

But but but. Top laners are crying jungler is too op? They’d never try and scapegoat while being the best lane in the game atm.

How does top lane decide? Bot lane has dragon and two people playing broken champions; if bot lane is fed it's pretty much game over.

season10balancedJul 13, 20196 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lezJs9J7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-13T09:37:44.196+0000)

But but but. Top laners are crying jungler is too op? They’d never try and scapegoat while being the best lane in the game atm.

Wrong. Top complains because jg exp is so bad that the jungler is better off sitting top the first 15 minutes because they'll get 6 way faster. Esp since top is easiest lane to gank

Sinister AnubisJul 13, 20195 votes

honestly fuck the jungle top needs improved badly

ADC YuumiJul 13, 20193 votes

I missed when Red -> Raptors would get you to level 3, Scuttle wasn't always a warzone and tank junglers existed.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 13, 20195 votes

Tank junglers among the best junglers in the game yet boards still believe tank junglers don't exist HMMMMM

And ofc you miss jungle being giga broken. Broken isn't enough for the vast majority of bad players.

TheSingularityJul 13, 20193 votes

wouldn't mind both buffs giving lvl 3 like the old days. fatten em up to slow it down a tad doe

BeersteinJul 13, 20192 votes

TBH as a jg main I'm torn. Jg was too string end of last season and I was starting to get autofilled out by noob junglers looking to climb on something other than Zed.

It is weak ATM but that's better than too strong. I want more but it has to be very low key so people that play Zed yasuo etc don't try to move into jg again. Passive power might be better. Like adding a ward to jg items.

PiVoRxJul 13, 20192 votes

Yeah, the game for jungler ends with 1st fallen tower (usualy at 10min mark).

YennJul 15, 20192 votes

I'm 1-0-1 at level 5. The enemy jungle is 4-1-2 at level 6. All of his kills are from my team mates' botched dives or over extending with no vision.

He's so far ahead that I have no way to fight him, and he's constantly invading my jungle. My mid lane is feeding it's ass off and can't help at all. Bottom lane and top lane are both immobile and can't respond in time.

I can't play the fucking game, despite being 1-0-1

Bishasaurus FlexJul 14, 20191 votes

Ya know what would be even better? If Riot stopped nerfing champions and items because they excel in other roles.

Except Yasuo . He can go anywhere and be relevant.

Jennifer420Jul 14, 20191 votes

hey we hear you, we will lower camp exp and make red/blue buff now spawn 1 minute later! enjoy!

uNhoLeeeJul 15, 20191 votes

jungle cant play if his midlane is garbage. jungle cant play if other jungle is fed on easy as ganks on over extended weak players. jungle cant play if enemy top is fed. better nerf jungle xp some more.

Dr EndeavorJul 15, 20191 votes

I just recently had a game where I was 8-0-3 as the jungler. I tried SO hard to carry it wasn't even funny. The enemy Twitch, who I absolutely s*** on before 15 min with counter ganks and invades, literally just avoided me and ran around murdering my team mates who couldn't be bothered to use their mini map. That Twitch ended the same game with EIGHTEEN kills... 18/3/7.... all three of his deaths were from me. No matter what jungler I play I never feel like I can get enough momentum to offset people that just insist on finding the quickest way to die every time they revive.

I dont know if its the jungle camps or what, but I have never felt so helpless as a jungler in all the years I have played as it.

YennJul 21, 20191 votes

Top lane is first time Kayle vs. Darius. Kayle is feeding. I have to concede every single top scuttle, as well as the entire top side jungle, putting me permanently and severely behind.

Middle lane has no kill potential, being Rumble vs. Zed and Zed is playing safely.

Bottom lane is winning and permanently pushed, but I can't dive because they have Morgana.

The enemy jungle is doing nothing but power farming. I can't fight him because I'm behind, due to the loss of top side jungle and scuttles.

I can't do a single thing in this game. I'm stuck AFK farming the one quarter of the jungle that I can even enter, with no way to impact the game, waiting for bottom or mid to throw and lose the game.

This role is complete fucking garbage.