@Riot You are going to Buff Mages that Build Arch like you did for those that Built Duskblade Right?

5050BS·Apr 11, 2018·7 votes·1,223 views

The AP nerf to Archangel is A LOT of AP

You Buffed all champs damage for those the built Duskblade so I expect mages to get damage buffs too.

30 Comments

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20187 votes

no cuz they hate ap champions, same with board so this gonna bo probablly downvoted hard

Zed geniusApr 11, 20185 votes

that's far from the reason. Did you also want to buff every tabi user (every single champion in the game)

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20183 votes

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that's far from the reason. Did you also want to buff every tabi user (every single champion in the game)

they only removed 10 armor and gave 2% buff to pasive, meanwhile archangel is losing like 30 ap

Zed geniusApr 11, 20183 votes

it is losing 2% of ap based on mana on** archangel's only**. When you stack it fully it will be the same as it is now

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20184 votes

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it is losing 2% of ap based on mana on** archangel's only**. When you stack it fully it will be the same as it is now

I know and 30 ap early game is too much

5050BSApr 11, 20183 votes

Iv seen numbers of losing 60 AP

Would love to see and AD champ lose 60 AD

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20184 votes

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Iv seen numbers of losing 60 AP

Would love to see and AD champ lose 60 AD

I would love to see it too but never gonna happen

Zed geniusApr 11, 20182 votes

1 ap isn't equal to 1 ad in strength though, on a very simple note a full ad build is usually around 500 ad and a full ap build is usually around 1000 ap

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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1 ap isn't equal to 1 ad in strength though, on a very simple note a full ad build is usually around 500 ad and a full ap build is usually around 1000 ap

its more like 800 ap but still agree 1 ap isnt like 1 ad but also ad champions have mostly scaling +- 100% ad on skills

5050BSApr 11, 20184 votes

I love how im down voted and yet Riot did just that, gave buffs to AD who used Duskblade but Mages seem to get a nerf accross the board.

FYI more then Kass, Ryze, Anivia use Arch and they have high win rates because of other things not Arch.

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20184 votes

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I love how im down voted and yet Riot did just that, gave buffs to AD who used Duskblade but Mages seem to get a nerf accross the board.

FYI more then Kass, Ryze, Anivia use Arch and they have high win rates because of other things not Arch.

Thats what i noticed long time ago, if u are saying something good about ap champions, and sometnig bad about AD u gonna be down voted hard

EedatApr 11, 20182 votes

Are you insane? This board hates on ADCs more than anything by far

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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Are you insane? This board hates on ADCs more than anything by far

bro i said something bad about xayah and i get -8 xD

EedatApr 12, 20182 votes

NOPE. You got downvoted because your comment was shit then you dated flaming the guy lmao

lol u are g5 adc main so i dont expect to much from u

Please keep the bullshit lies to yourself please?

Step Sis LuxApr 12, 20181 votes

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NOPE. You got downvoted because your comment was shit then you dated flaming the guy lmao

Please keep the bullshit lies to yourself please?

lol i said only truth there xD im toxic but did i said im not? no

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20182 votes

because assassins would be bad without duskblade being broken

the same is not for mages.

Zed geniusApr 11, 20184 votes

because assassins were balanced around duskblade, whereas mages are not balanced around archaengels

OtherworldzApr 11, 20182 votes

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because assassins were balanced around duskblade, whereas mages are not balanced around archaengels

No they aren't almost no assassin built Duskblade and that's why they overbuffed it. No assassin got nerfed or changed when Riot reworked Duskblade and they did just fine back when Ghostblade was the holy grail of lethality items.

Zed geniusApr 11, 20182 votes

the assassin rework nerfed every assassin in the game basically and made some items broken in exchange

OtherworldzApr 11, 20181 votes

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the assassin rework nerfed every assassin in the game basically and made some items broken in exchange

Duskblade was reworked looooong after the assassin rework. Duskblade was reworked towards the end of season 7.

Zed geniusApr 11, 20182 votes

wait that's actually true wtf im dumb. W/e you still can't deny that duskblade has been basically a part of ad assassin's kits since then though

DuskDaUmbreonApr 11, 20183 votes

Except, here's the thing: It's only a nerf to Archangel's, which is an incomplete item. There are no changes to Seraph's Embrace, all changes pertain only to Archangel's Staff.

Duskblade is a complete item. There is no upgrade from it at all.

This would be closer to nerfing item 3211 , item 3134 , or item 3086 , and having those changes not carry over to their upgrades.

dunder killApr 11, 20183 votes

Only Arch is getting nerfed because it's a "scaling" item that is actually effect on purchase. Seraphs is unchanged

PoskeApr 11, 20182 votes

Kassadin is overperforming Ryze is overperforming Anivia is oveperforming

karthus got compensated in advance with Q buff

Imo its fine

OtherworldzApr 11, 20182 votes

The only 2 mages that should get buffed if Archangel's were to ever get nerfed would be Cassiopeia and Ryze but Riot will never buff Ryze until his rework for obvious reasons and Cassiopeia is still ok with this change because she has the option of going RoA first item and rapidly stacking tear.

Cassiopeia and Ryze are the only two mages who's kits are completely balanced around the existence of tear and Archangel's Staff. Anivia is a decent user and so is Karthus but they're both ok without it to. Every other mage just jumped on the bandwagon and are just abusing what's strong, while Cassiopeia and Ryze have to build it in 100% of games regardless of what state it's in.

KaiokoApr 11, 20182 votes

It's kind of different with archangel's -- it's still going to give the 3% AP when transformed into Seraph -- it was too efficient right from the get go by letting you have 3% of your AP from the start.