The fact that new players have to grind out the ass for not just runes, but the option to be able to even use them efficiently, is absolutely insane.
This should have been changed years ago. Imagine if we had to grind for mastery pages.
Truly Prideful69 votesYeah I know people that have tried to pick the game up and it's discouraging for them that it's nearly impossible to catch up.
When I told them to not spend any ip while getting to 30 they were just like, "So I can only play free champions?" "Yep, you'll have to fill out two rune pages at 30 to really be competitive and that will cost you 15k or so." "Do I unlock more rune pages?" "No you have to buy those too." "Do I get any bonuses for getting to 30?" "Yeah you earn the right to be able to have 30 mastery points like everyone else." "You can't be serious.."
I mean I own everything at this point and I feel bad for new players. Give them like 5-6 rune pages, a free champion every 5 levels, and like a 1,000 ip bonus each time they level up. Do something, there are too many champions now to not give them some help. Or just let me gift people champions with my ip please.
Swarovsko14 votesWHAT?! FREE CHAMPIONS? Riot needs the $$$$
Qiyeanu Reeves2 votesno, i mean, ive only bought one champ with RP in my life...but there are plenty i dont own. so idk, riot doesnt always make money off the champ system
Swarovsko2 votesThere are people in high elo who spend more than 500$ to buy every champion.
Qiyeanu Reeves4 voteswhy...? a lot of high elo players dont really play the majority of the champions.
Rew7111 votesI agree with you, but at the same time its better to have all the Champs rather than your typical select few. For instance, you can't tell me there aren't days you feel like playing a Champion you never got to try. If you wait for the Free Champ Per Week system, you will get to play that champ maybe during this or the next week, but who knows when they will be free to play again if you actually like playing them. And you might want to play as some champion but its not in the FCAW so you either wait or grind for the IP.
Its also healthier (whether you want to admit it or not) to have the full roster at your fingertips for when, per say, your main may get some nerfs that unintentionally make it unplayable or another Champion gets some changes or revamp that make them unintentionally OP. At one point, the meta might be in favor for Ashe who is easy to get or is already owned by a lot of players, and at some other point it might be Lucian who is harder to get and not as many would own him.
Then, there is the thought of "counter picks" which is something I see a lot in Ranked play. If someone wants to play Gnar top, and you don't own Teemo or some other counter its going to be hard.
Its impossible to play all the Champions and of course some aren't going to be touched, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't own them. For a while, Yorick was coming back into play before his rework and the same can be said for Urgot. I love going in as the unplayed Champion because its more or less hard on the opponent who probably doesn't know what to expect, which is why I beat a Garen during his meta with a Aatrox by going pure AD because I understand he is more or less and ADC and not a Juggernaut. A Q that puts him in range, a W that heals him based on AD, an E that has a ton of range, and a R that gives bonus range and AS. He even gets a free revive for playing bad. He might be a good bot pick if played right. Him and Yasuo could play bot very well. (I've seen Sion bot, and its hard to play against.)
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesI don't need a justification for the usefulness of having all the champions. Sure, everything you said is true, but nothing you said makes me consider champions worth buying with RP, which was my point.
Rew7111 votesI skimmed over a good bit. I didn't know that you were talking about that and I also don't like the fact sales don't also (at the least) give one or two IP price reductions per week.
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesSame. IP sales on champs would've been really nice when i was buying them :\\
MortalButt13 votesThat sounds like you made it up.
Rew7113 votesRiot doesn't even need to worry about the $$. They hit their peak of players back in 2013-2014 and a good multitude left out of frustration. My dad always said if you really want something, you keep on trying until you get it.
I don't want new players to get everything for free, but if even if no new champions came out, and all the benefits were given to new players from OP's post, they would get 30,000 IP at level 30 and about 6 free Champions.
Now, I love the idea of the chest system... but it doesn't benefit new players. Especially when smurfs enter the equation. I'm shocked at the thought new players only get either a Garen or an Ashe for free. Garen, Alister, and Tristana are all free for subscribing (for free) to Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube (respectably). Why not just make publicize this better? And while their at it, how about a free champion that's 4800 (or higher), or if they are feeling generous they can say 6300 or higher.
A new player would still only get (at most) get the three mentioned for free, plus the other 6 per every 5 levels, and then (maybe at a rough estimate) 10: 450 Champions and 22: 1350 Champions (and this is just a speculation) which totals to about a good 39 out of the 133 Champions in the game. You would still have 94 to go... but lets not end there, you did reach level 30 so by that time you should have been able to get around 20-40 Champions on your own. So that brings it down to still 74-54 Champions (and I'm being fair by still going by the cheapest Champions in game). In order to get the other 74-54 Champions, you would need to play for pretty much the whole next year.
A lot of veterans forget that they had it easier when the most a Champion cost in the past was 4800 but now they cost 6300 (a whole 1500 more).
I can't say it would be perfect, but bringing a number of 133 down to 74 or 54 would make things a lot easier.
And then there's the obvious teir 1 Runes should all be free. (Or at least most of them.)
SharpenDown1 votesA lot of veterans forget that they had it easier when the most a Champion cost in the past was 4800 but now they cost 6300 (a whole 1500 more).
Inflation. Plus it was only really new champs that got the high price tags you see. "Beta"
Owyn1 votes"Yep, you'll have to fill out two rune pages at 30 to really be competitive and that will cost you 15k or so." competitive
you mean like "go challenjour" lol? I doubt 99% ppl lvling up would want or like that idea... even runes of tier 2 would do the thing till they find the champion they like and would like to main and would have IP gathering up for no reason other than runes.
arc9526 votesI get downvoted every time I say it but runes/pages create a pay to win environment why it hasn't been changed dumbfounds me
you have
and all 3 give increased chances of winning games the chance may not be massive but it is a competitive edge non the less
_dont give me oh you should main one champion _ A 100 champion pool vs 50 is an advantage plain and simple
10 pages vs 2 pages is an advantage
and the ability to not completely need to spend ip on all 3 facilitates that advantage
**note **I dont mind champion costs but runes need to be free or 1 ip and you need to start with 5 pages minimum
I mean is anything I said here not true?
ChaoticPinecone5 votes100 champions is only an advantage if you can play them competently. Having 100 champions you played 5 times each isnt really an advantage over someone who played 1 champion 500 times. Even among pros, very few players have pools deeper than 5 champions for their role. Outside of pros, a lot of OTPs exist, as well as players who dont venture outside of maybe 10 champions with any regularity.
You dont need 5 pages minimum. Faker on his old alt got to rank 1 in KR with 2 runepages.
Its not pay to win if everybody has to grind IP for runes and you can grind necessary IP to succeed in a reasonable amount of time. If you give AnnieBot an ult account with Annie + 1 runepage, I'm pretty sure he will get back in Diamond.
arc9510 votes
100 champions is only an advantage if you can play them competently. Having 100 champions you played 5 times each isnt really an advantage over someone who played 1 champion 500 times. Even among pros, very few players have pools deeper than 5 champions for their role. Outside of pros, a lot of OTPs exist, as well as players who dont venture outside of maybe 10 champions with any regularity.
You dont need 5 pages minimum. Faker on his old alt got to rank 1 in KR with 2 runepages.
Its not pay to win if everybody has to grind IP for runes and you can grind necessary IP to succeed in a reasonable amount of time. If you give AnnieBot an ult account with Annie + 1 runepage, I'm pretty sure he will get back in Diamond.
it goes beyond skill on champions trading also some champions need high level of practice but many just need some play and having a large champion pool offers more chances to counter pick, pick into team comps, play op champs/avoid weak one etc there is more that im a strong one trick a handful
seriously Faker the best Esports athlete to live his is so far beyond the realm of comparison to the average player base... that is like comparing a highschool hockey player to Wayne Gretzky... Gretzky was playing 18+ hockey in his youth in oversized equipment(the reason he tucked one side of his jersey into his pro career...he did it when he was younger so it didn't get in the way of his shot) therefore highschool hockey players dont need proper fitting equipment right? becsaue Wayne Gretzky didn't?
Absolutely not Wayne Gretzky was an absolute freak talent and could handle it same as Faker in League
and again 2 mages one running ap runes tailored to the champion the other running ad runes becasue he has 2 pages and doesn't play mages as often as let say ad or tank
the ap page has the advantage plain and simple it may not be enough to win the lane (like if your laning against Faker) but they have an advantage going into the game
.3. see above argument and i'm going on my 4th year of consistently playing i have a little more than half the champion pool(minimal 6300 ip champs), 4 pages and not enough runes to make 4 unique pages
and yes it is a grind but it is an unattainable grind through just ip... and again buying with rp WILL give sizable advantages vs players who dont...becasue of the enormous cost of runes/pages
and also the AnnieBot thing is just an assumption... and onetricks succeeding to that level is few and far between
BastionKross16 votesImagine if we had to grind for mastery pages.
SHHHH! Riot may think this is a suggestion instead of a criticism!
RedCyclone10 votesI'm currently trying to get a friend to play with me and hes new to the MOBA scene on a 3 lane map I informed him about the IP costs of t3 runes and pages and he probably thinks the game is a huge waste of time now Alongside the smurfs we play against using hyper snowball champions this has probably swayed him off thinking about continuing to play this game
A big nono in multiplayer games is locking off core elements to the game (cough cough keystones) to new players, how are they supposed to learn new stuff?
warpenguin5559 votesSame. Just make all runes and rune pages free.
Supreme Senpai699 votesLike I can understand rune pages not being free. Riot makes money off them. But you can't even buy runes for RP there is legit no reason not to have those be free
dominusx8 votesyeh same here. i dont care about the greedy f's that say BUT I FARMED IT idc bruh did you LIKE farming all that shit for years and still nto have everything? why should a new player have to go throught that.
Jorencice6 votesU can have all you need in a rune page for like 10k ip.
A simple ap/ad page will work for every champion all the way up to high diamond.
Shit there is someone on this forumn in diamond 2 who still has level 1 runes.
Also took me about 2 years took have over 6 rune pages completed.
And 4 years till i owned literally every champion and have nothing left to spend ip on.
vOmvbrawfU2 votesI don't even think it cost 10k IP lol.
the Anarchit3cht2 votesgiven that some quints cost 2.5k its well over 10k
Cavemantero1 votesI don't even think it cost 10k IP lol.
It costs about 30k IP for the basic most needed runes.
vOmvbrawfU4 votesAP: Mag Pen reds: 9*205 = 1,845 Armor yellows: 9*102 = 918 MR blues: 9*102 = 918 AP Quints: 3*512 = 1,536
Total = 5,217 for an AP page.
AD: AD reds: 9*102 = 918 Armor yellows: 9*102 = 918 MR blues: 9*102 = 918 AD Quints: 3*512 = 1,536
Total = 4,290 for an AD page.
Total for AP and AD page would be: Mag Pen reds: 1,845 AD reds: 918 Armor yellows: 918 MR blues: 918 AP Quints: 1,536 AD Quints: 1,536
Total for 2 basic rune pages: 7,671.
So no, you don't need to drop 30k IP for runes. You could spend under 8k and be just fine.
RocketRelm7 votesImagine if we had to grind for mastery pages.
Technically… you do.
You start at Level One, where you get 1/30th of your 6 Mastery pages (6 for each combination of 18/12/0). With every level you get, you get another 30th of your Mastery pages.
drakuIa4214 votesthat sad thing is that you can unlock all mastery pages for free even tho you only really need one (because you can edit it in champ select).
rune pages tho, aren't free nor can you edit them in champ select.
SciFi Scrivener6 votes(New Player) I can tell you that runes have been the biggest let down to me. I grind IP to build my champion pool, but then my runes get left behind.
Then, I get those toxic jerks in game that criticize me for not having the "correct" runes for the champion I'm playing.
For all the things I like about LoL, runes confuses me with how out of place bad they are.
9 X5 votesWell, except the fact Tier 2 runes exist for less than 0.5% of the cost, yield around 75% of the "actual runes" and ultimately give you 98%+ of a champion with the costly runes.
The inexperience generally expected of a player struggling to afford runes is a far greater disadvantage, but I suspect that's not what this is really all about.
This is really about having a greater ability to make alternate accounts and stomp lower elos with impunity. No thanks.
Bouncemaster Zac5 votesWe kinda do have to grind for mastery pages. You don't get a full page until you hit level 30. This means that when new players hit the point where some people are 18+ and some aren't, the matches will be horridly skewed because Keystones make your Champion objectively stronger than other who don't have them yet.
Almighty4 votes"Imagine if we had to grind for mastery pages"
Shhhh. Don't give RIot ideas.
Almighty.
Auroramancer4 votesDoing just fine with 2 rune pages, and Tier 2 runes are hardly much worse than Tier 3 runes, and they cost literally only 1 IP each...
If players want to go the completionist route and just amass all the runes and unlock every rune page possible, then let them grind for it.
But as far as what is "necessary" and "competitive", 2 rune pages of Tier 2 runes is sufficient
Sukishoo3 votesFree to play game, they have to have something to work for or to buy :P
Dengeden3 votes2 rune pages are sufficient, at least the way things are now. They do intend to change runes. That's probably Season 8+ talk though.
The IP/RP system is tried and tested and the game is still played regularly.
Niyumi2 votesThat's just how F2P games work. They make the base game shit-tier, to try and get you to pay through the nose to be able to enjoy it fully.
dragon eis2 votesthats actually clever by riot. with the instant feedback system they will know that people will buy runepages and champs with RP because they dont want to grind that shit again. Permabans are a huge business.
Arakadia3 votesPermabans aren't a huge business. A VERY small amount of the total community gets perma banned, from my understanding. Additionally, even FEWER players want to play League again after getting perma banned due to their anger at Riot and not wanting to earn everything. And then EVEN fewer players are going to grind for their runes and pay for their skins again, they might just use classic skins and tier 2 runes.
At that point, its not a big deal. Permabans aren't for money, their for punishing people.
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LupusAkira11 votesThe problem is that it actually effects the game. Someone with runes and pages has an advantage over someone who doesnt.
jurrrr2 votesThats true, if it were up to me i would remove that whole system. But its just the way the game is now
Adriqnohee2 votesAnd Op is asking Riot to do something about it.
CyberBalt2 votesIf I wanted to buy every single champ, and a sufficient amount of rune pages (i'd say like 6 or more) right off the bat, I'm fairly certain it would cost MUCH more than just buying a regular game, which I find to be quite BS. And that's not even including skins ...
KingPontus1 votesI mean in their eyes its just more play time equals more money that could possibly be spent. riot is all about money and has been for awhile now. Why do you think they haven't taken all chat away being the root of 75% percent of the salt in this game? It has no purpose, but they keep it because of the amount of bans and things they can dish out which causes people to make new accounts and spend more money. It's a cooperation. that's what they do. It's not about having fun anymore. An example would be the singed main that likes to go support. He's a diamond player who has been dealing with riot trying to ban his account for playing off meta when in the games rules that they made up its stated that playing off meta is encouraged. Ain't that just the way I guess.
Fargo791 votesi dont know how people are having issues saving IP... im sitting with about 119K IP.. with MOST of the runes and all champs... suck it up and just play the game..
InivtesPreeze7 votesTry going outside once in a while.
Fargo792 votesTry going outside once in a while.
actually i have been playing since season 1... and yes i do go outside.. all the time.. but thanks for presuming that i dont have a life..
CrazyBear19871 votesPlay the game for 2-3 years and it should be fine [slayer-jinx-catface]
UnboundCreator1 votesboohoo im spoiled and don't want to grind on a FREE TO PLAY game
TheLittlestLulu3 votesboohoo im spoiled and don't want to grind on a FREE TO PLAY game
I'm sitting on 100,000 IP right now with nothing to spend it on. I don't want my friends who don't even want to touch this game because of the insane rune grind to have to grind for pages of all things.
Epic zinger though my dude you sure got me xD