The Wits End changes won't make the item purchasable for most champs

DeusVult··9 votes·7,970 views

Wits end is already a niche item. MR, AS, on-hit magic damage. With the PBE changes, its losing its MR shred/stacking for a heal when on low health. (aka Warwick passive)

The thing is, for the small pool of champs that would actually want to build this item, they have others that they want more.

Who could possibly (really stretching possibly) want to build item 3091

Kayle Kled MasterYi Neeko Nunu Shen Shyvana Teemo Varus Volibear Warwick XinZhao

Kayle wants other items sooner, and she already maxes out on attack speed. And Kayle now goes either full crit AD or AP with some AS, no longer does she go on hit. Kled, along with most other melee champs on this list, would go Titanic over Wits in 99% of games. Master Yi might as a sixth item against high AP teams. Riot killed/is trying to kill on-hit neeko, since she is supposed to be a mage. Nunu has a jungle budget and doesnt really build damage, if he was going to titanic is better on him. Shen goes titanic into tank. He might pick it up, but unlikely. Shyvana goes titanic. Teemo would prefer old wits if he was gonna build it for the MR shred. Varus already reaches AS cap on his current build. Volibear would go titanic, if he saw play. Warwick already has the passive, and is the most likely to go for it, but he builds tiamat before his jungle item and goes into titanic, it would have to be a 4th or 5th item. Xin wants TF or BC, i dont see him getting wits.

I like the idea Riot, but in an already small niche you have to really make the item stand out, or remove others from its niche to make it stand out

13 Comments

Rebonack3 votes

I was really excited for the potential return of Madred's Bloodrazor. An armor/onhit/AS item would be nice.

taleofsonata2 votes

Problem with it? Damage reduce for ranged champions.

  • Remove damage reduction from ranged champion
  • Remove the healing for ranged champion Done easy balance and fix see you next patch.
Aatrox Airlines2 votes

Honestly, Nunu and Shen won't even consider the item cause it requires large amounts of attack speed to work well. Maybe lethal tempo Jax would consider taking it...

BigFBear1 votes

Idk. It's a good item for Voli if you are ahead and want to combine offensive playstyle with AP res against strong AP enemy's.

Yeah itch niche but: why not?

DeusVult1 votes

it could work on voli, probably as well as it could work on any champ on the list

the thing is, its a luxury item for him. if you are ahead, really far ahead, you can get it. But on voli if you are that far ahead, the game is over. if you are behind, he will never get a chance to use it because hes melee and pretty kiteable, and buying this means that he misses out on health that he needs for his W/passive and to engage.

jungle voli NEEDS item 1001 + item 1401 for his first two buys. In the worst way. after that he needs item 3800 and then he can go into some combination of item 3748 item 3083 item 3065 item 3742

So yes, it could work on him. But in a realistic sense the opportunity cost of getting new wits never works for voli

KlydeFrog1 votes

I mean if I was voli and ahead rylais is better. However it's usually a 2nd item I build when I jungle. Cinderhulk wits end and thornmail .

boricCentaur11 votes

Nunu and ww would actually probably not build it since spirit visage is in the game and both of those champions are tanks with healing not damage dealers. Ww maybe able to build it as a 2nd mr item in 5 or 6th item slot vs teams with a lot of ap but that very rarely happens.

Also on kayle it is weaker on her vs the old one since you build it not for the damage but for the mr since you can easily stack and was cheap enough to not slow down her build. O yeah and she gets less healing since she becomes range and she already builds gunblade so the healing is not that effective.

It is also just worst on basically worst then the old one on EVERY ONE THAT CAN BUILD IT since again no one builds it for damage it is for the mr and losing mr really hurts the reasons to builds also on hit already has a healing item so add one that is worst makes no sense.

Idk what riot is doing hopefully these changes don't ship.

5050BS1 votes

Just broken on a few champs. Classic Riot move.

wolvius1 votes

Riot really doesn't understand why people took it in the first place, on-hit damage and magic steal/shred. On ARAM I would sometimes take it on skarner instead of triforce against heavy AP comps. On Warwick for the attack speed, mr and on-hit damage synergy with ult. The only reason it wasn't taken often is due to no health on the item makin it non-ideal for most melees, hell only reason I got it with skarner half the time was my other items gave me health.

I guess new version might still work with skarner but I really don't want to see yasou, Yi and co. with it. This is hextech GLP all over again.

Metal Janna1 votes

Orianna builds item 3091 doesn't she? I don't play her mid, but i've picked it up once or twice as support. REALLY niche but occasionally good vs other mage supports if you can reliably avoid the CC.

DeusVult2 votes

No

She doesnt

macspam1 votes

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Orianna builds item 3091 doesn't she? I don't play her mid, but i've picked it up once or twice as support. REALLY niche but occasionally good vs other mage supports if you can reliably avoid the CC.

No, she builds AP. On hit orianna is niche.

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

As a Varus player I don't buy Wits End anymore, because it's only good early game and then it sort of becomes useless later on.

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