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It's meaningless to rattle off winrates if you don't even understand why people ban certain champs

Anatera·8/11/2019, 7:16:14 PM·64 votes·15,667 views

Bringing up winrates is completely and utterly pointless if you aren't even bothering to understand why people ban/hate champs like pyke or yasuo in the first place. If you are one of these people, allow me to do the work for you, since you apparently haven't bothered to think about it for more than 5 minutes.

**People ban/hate characters like yasuo because they're annoying to play against. Not because they have high winrates. **

Telling everyone who hates yasuo that they're "bad because he has a 50% winrate and is therefore not OP" is nothing short of ignorant. If everyone thought like you did and stared at winrates all day expecting it to mean something, then the most common bans would be Aurelion sol, bard, jinx, kled and ahri in that order every single game. Stop being lazy and bringing up winrates when you yourself don't even understand what it means.

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HP Crookshanks8/11/2019, 7:31:33 PM43 votes

Also some champions (mainly and followed by ) don't have high win rate because most of their players have low IQ, refuse to cooperate with their team and frequently throw the game thus causing their team to lose.

kyoyaoaaa8/11/2019, 7:28:57 PM25 votes

I ban Qiyana cause I don't know what that champion does except that she looks like a month old left out big Mac with mayonnaise on top of the bread.

enshine8/11/2019, 7:22:10 PM19 votes

I ban Lux in 100% of my games because she's annoying to play against

I dodge if the enemy gets qiyana or akali for the same reason

Does that mean I want them gutted? No, it just means I don't want them in my games. I understand they aren't OP, but they have the most anti-fun kits in the game

######and qiyana is the skillless, better version of akali

Hot LeBlanc Yuri8/11/2019, 9:43:44 PM18 votes

Also, people dont consider pickrate when talking about wr, ofc a champ with 20% pickrate is going to have lower wr compared to a champ with 2% pick.

Asobi Spirit8/11/2019, 11:02:30 PM11 votes

You make a good point here. While I'd likely never actually dodge if I knew I was in for a rough match (I'm dumb that way) it's nice that you bring up the fact that people dont like fighting certain champs. For me it's always been MasterYi But lately Ezreal Lux and XinZhao have been in so many of my games that I have started banning them too. Cause there is only so many times I can deal with a Lux Ez Bot with a Xin jungle. XD

Baby Ghoul8/11/2019, 11:13:57 PM10 votes

Win rates mean nothing if you don't talk about pick rates and ban rates. That's important context. Personally, I think it's also important to look at the ELO since Riot rarely balances the game around low ELO play.

If we were just looking at the data and saw Ezreal's win rate was 47.24% in Platinum+ according to u.gg, then you'd think hmm, Ezreal could use some help. But he has a 27.5% pick rate and is the highest picked champion in the game. That means he's a very safe pick that many people are falling back on.

Similarly Yuumi has a 46.75% win rate in Platinum+, and you'd probably think why is she getting nerfs next patch? Well she has a 12.5% pick rate and a 43.6% ban rate in Platinum+ that only increases as the rank does. She has a staggering 52.0% ban rate in Masters and 54.2% in Grandmasters and in professional esports she's the most banned champion by far. That means a lot of people, especially those that are the best at the game, despise Yuumi's design.

Janakin8/12/2019, 10:49:43 AM8 votes

Akali used to have the highest banrate while having the lowest winrate. Nerf after nerf, she kept being #1 banned champion, until they gutted her completely. Then she jumped to like 5th place...

That's a clear sign the rework was a failure.

DuskDaUmbreon8/12/2019, 1:45:25 AM7 votes

The times I bring up winrate tend to be when they're calling a champion OP.

If Yasuo is annoying as hell, don't fucking call him OP, call him obnoxious and poorly-designed. Don't call for nerfs, call for an actual rework and give some fucking ideas besides "remove literally every part of his kit".

If people are going to keep calling for nerfs to a champion that doesn't need it, I'm going to keep bringing up winrate. If you're going to bring up design, then that's something entirely different.

that dough dœ8/12/2019, 3:03:19 PM4 votes

They could balance the game 10x better if they PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME AND WERE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY

Ionian Vulpix8/12/2019, 11:19:11 PM3 votes

Yasuo could have the lowest winrate in the game and he'd still be unfun to play against. I've seen Heimerdinger bans even when he wasn't good because he's just such a pain in the ass to deal with.

King Braum8/12/2019, 11:13:51 AM3 votes

Not to mention Yasuo has one of the highest skillcaps and entry levels making it really easy for people to lose when they're just learning him and easy to an almost unfair degree once you get real good with him.

Ahri Baka8/12/2019, 10:30:45 AM3 votes

Gotta agree As an Ahri main I got sick of arguing for those who complain and ask to nerf her Why : HER WINRATE IS HIGH What's strong excactly and need to be nerfed ? : HER WINRATE IS HIGH , REMOVE HER CHARM AND Q TRUE DMG AND 2 OF HER DASHES , HER WINRATE IS HIGH !

Spicy Rice8/12/2019, 2:42:12 AM2 votes

You know why people bring up winrates? Because you cant objectively balance a game based on if you "feel" something isn't fun. League is an esport, and you can't just be making balance changes unless you have a real reason for doing so.

I personally really don't like Caitlyn or LeBlanc, but that doesn't mean they should be nerfed.

Pxerkza8/12/2019, 12:13:04 PM2 votes

Those champions are OP the reason they don't get banned is because the chance of you encountering them is low

A riven Ban in masters + is a very high value ban as there are many Riven OTPS in masters + but a riven ban in diamond isn't a high value ban as even if there are OTPs the fact that those players are in diamond means they don't know how to play out the lead they get in lane so it's more worth to ban something else that has real agency or simply you don't want to play against

Lauchmelder8/12/2019, 11:25:11 PM2 votes

This also includes people telling you to "learn how to play against this champion".

Mate, I know how to play against Yasuo, it's one of the easiest lane matchups I can have. I just don't want to deal with his bullshit kit.

ORB1TS8/12/2019, 11:42:14 PM1 votes

Riot nerfing a champion just because you hate them would throw the balance of league off its axis even more then it already is. But then again they suck at balancing champs off winrate and pickrate anyway cough Riven cough

Karn Bishop8/13/2019, 12:13:44 AM1 votes

This is why i think the new round of yuumi nerfs are a mistake, shes not winning most games hard at the moment she just feels frustrating to play against and i am convinced that the changes will see her just vanish as a picked champion due to how reliant she is on a laner.

inuitmailman8/13/2019, 1:27:50 AM1 votes

I know it’s not quite the same subject but I would like to add when people think counter play is “just don’t get hit” or “it’s easy to dodge therefore not broken” tell that to lux who can chuck her q every 4 seconds mid to late game. The dumbest shit to ever say. There’s only an amount of shit you can dodge endlessly >:(

Aletheiacracy8/13/2019, 5:01:44 PM1 votes

Fun Fact:

Yasuo is hated SO much, that nobody on my team flames me for picking Rammus Mid against him. Like- that's how unfun the champ is. I have to break Meta and find a champ that discourages Yasuo's entire kit.