BTW Riot, this whole matchmaking philosophy you got going on...

Anatera·Feb 14, 2018·125 votes·5,022 views

With the whole forced 50% winrate is extremely cheap. Forcing us to streak with either wins or losses comes across as very artificial. If you want to keep it, might I recommend you try to hide it a bit better?

And yeah, I get that you guys think that "If you're good enough you should carry your whole team to victory," and I would buy that as an excuse if this game wasn't so centered around the rest of your team too. This is League of Legends, everyone should be on roughly equal footing.

It's a team game. Not a game where you tie a chain to your leg and drag 4 lower mmr players that you unfairly matched us with to play decently.

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BlåbæretFeb 14, 201840 votes

You can't solo carry anymore in this meta, so that point is moot. It's 100% impossible. The game needs to put equal teams vs. each other, not this bullshit stomp garbage match quality.

RISE Shlack123Feb 15, 201810 votes

You can't solo carry, but one asshole can surely solo lose the game for you.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXFeb 16, 20182 votes

I know that too well

BIue MonkFeb 18, 20182 votes

Haha, people used to say "carry harder"... Now the question is just "who got the tilter ?" It is sad to make no mistake, and still lose the game.

CheapKillFeb 14, 201839 votes

When one teammate can single handle end the game for you, it's such bullshit.

Finn Teh HumanFeb 14, 201822 votes

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When one teammate can single handle end the game for you, it's such bullshit.

And yet one person can't carry.

Lil Homie bustaFeb 15, 20188 votes

The irony,

1v9 really is harder than 4v6.

saltranFeb 15, 201810 votes

I mean, it makes sense that is easy to 4vs6 than 1vs9. Quick maths.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 201819 votes

Forced 50 percent win rate? Do people actually believe this?

I have plenty of smurfs in bronze-Gold with win rates up to 80-90 percent

Why is Riot not forcing me to have a 50 percent w/r?

AnateraFeb 14, 201840 votes

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Forced 50 percent win rate? Do people actually believe this?

I have plenty of smurfs in bronze-Gold with win rates up to 80-90 percent

Why is Riot not forcing me to have a 50 percent w/r?

Probably because they're your smurf accounts.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 201818 votes

But shouldn't riot be intentionally giving me uncarryable team members to even my win rate? It is almost like my skill level is way above bronze - silver and therefore my win rate there is much higher and as I get closer to my actual skill level around high plat low diamond then my win rate normalizes around 50 because that is my skill level.

What an absolute mad concept amirite?

AnateraFeb 14, 201823 votes

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But shouldn't riot be intentionally giving me uncarryable team members to even my win rate? It is almost like my skill level is way above bronze - silver and therefore my win rate there is much higher and as I get closer to my actual skill level around high plat low diamond then my win rate normalizes around 50 because that is my skill level.

What an absolute mad concept amirite?

Have you considered the idea that you might not have played enough games to even it out yet? Statistics requires a high volume of data points in order to be considered relevant. If you are at the rank that you're meant to be at then so be it. Considering it's your smurf I have to assume you don't play it as much as someone else's main since your time is divided across multiple accounts. If you've plateaud at a certain rank then yes, Riot will give you teammates you can't carry in order to have you maintain that rank. This has been happening for some time now.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 201812 votes

I've played 112 games on that account this season. A decent amount that got me from Bronze 1 to Plat 5.

Statistically the other team has a better chance of having a trash player (5 chances) then your team does (4 chances) assuming you aren't one yourself.

You make these insane conspiracy theories up because you refuse to accept that you are where you belong.

I don't blame Riot because I can't get out of my D4 promos because my skill level is near Diamond 4 and im not good enoguh to beat players d3-d1 so why should i be allowed to climb there?

Stop being insane

AnateraFeb 14, 20188 votes

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I've played 112 games on that account this season. A decent amount that got me from Bronze 1 to Plat 5.

Statistically the other team has a better chance of having a trash player (5 chances) then your team does (4 chances) assuming you aren't one yourself.

You make these insane conspiracy theories up because you refuse to accept that you are where you belong.

I don't blame Riot because I can't get out of my D4 promos because my skill level is near Diamond 4 and im not good enoguh to beat players d3-d1 so why should i be allowed to climb there?

Stop being insane

100 or so games is not statistically relevant.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 201813 votes

You have 0 ranked games this season so by your own logic your own opinion is invalid.

Also, 100+ games is more then enough statistical data for one person to determine pretty much anything

Take a college statistics class my guy

I feel like im arguing with a 14 year old

AnateraFeb 14, 20187 votes

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You have 0 ranked games this season so by your own logic your own opinion is invalid.

Also, 100+ games is more then enough statistical data for one person to determine pretty much anything

Take a college statistics class my guy

I feel like im arguing with a 14 year old

Yeah, you realize that there's an MMR that they don't show applied to your nomal games too right? And no, 100 games is not statistically relevant when millions of players play the game every day, some of whom play it religiously.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 201813 votes

Yes there is and plenty of websites can tell you what it is.

Same argument applies there that I applied to ranked

You are dodging every single point I make and just whining "No everybody is clearly against me and Riot has SINGLED ME OUT there is 0 chance this is my own problem or due to my own skill"

You sound insane dude

AnateraFeb 14, 20186 votes

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Yes there is and plenty of websites can tell you what it is.

Same argument applies there that I applied to ranked

You are dodging every single point I make and just whining "No everybody is clearly against me and Riot has SINGLED ME OUT there is 0 chance this is my own problem or due to my own skill"

You sound insane dude

If you know this why are you trying to use my lack of interest in ranked games as an excuse to push your poor sarcastic attitude? And no I didn't say it was a conspiracy or whatever you assumed I did. I'm telling Riot to either be more subtle with it or get rid of it.

I've been quite amicable up to this point but your bad attempts at sarcastic humor don't make me inclined to agree with you. Sorry.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 14, 20187 votes

You are literally saying Riot singles people out and forces them to have a 50 percent win rate using an Algorithm that places bad team members on your team to constantly fluctuate your Win rate to remain near 50.

You are actually insane. No sarcasm at all

What Is SmiteFeb 15, 20189 votes

Riot has come out and officially stated that's exactly what they are doing.

Wise EnoughFeb 15, 20185 votes

I guess this clown is unaware of that, sadly.

Pool Party NasusFeb 15, 20182 votes

Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested to read about it.

What Is SmiteFeb 15, 20183 votes

I'm pretty sure it was in one of their Dev Blogs, not exactly sure if it was a season 6 or 7 blog post. Though they did go over the matchmaking system and answered players question as to why sometime they get teammates that are really good/bad. They went on to say that if you believe you deserve a higher rank then you should be able to carry your team despite having the bad players on the team. I think the Rioter who comment that was Repertoire (I think that's how it's spelled)

HarrisonOwnsFeb 15, 20184 votes

This is literal fact.

Riot places bad team members with people on winning streaks to force a 50% winrate (or close)

You can "overpower" this algorithm by being significantly good enough to not be affected by having bad players. (Diamond playing on a bronze account because they're trash, and anyone doing this is trash.)

At some point you are not losing because the other team is better, you are losing because your winstreak placed you with too many bads.

There is a very specific difference.

SubdueFeb 14, 201811 votes

This ridiculous line of thinking falls flat on its face when you consider the perspective of literally anyone else on either team. What did your teammates do to deserve being on your forced loss game? What did your opponents do to get a free win off of you?

Could it possibly be that as you win games, your MMR goes up, the people you play with get better, and GASP IT'S HARDER TO WIN AGAINST BETTER PLAYERS?!

AnateraFeb 14, 20185 votes

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This ridiculous line of thinking falls flat on its face when you consider the perspective of literally anyone else on either team. What did your teammates do to deserve being on your forced loss game? What did your opponents do to get a free win off of you?

Could it possibly be that as you win games, your MMR goes up, the people you play with get better, and GASP IT'S HARDER TO WIN AGAINST BETTER PLAYERS?!

Then the quality of your own teammates should rise at a commensurate rate. What you've said applies to the climb in rank and not the plateau.

SubdueFeb 14, 20186 votes

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Then the quality of your own teammates should rise at a commensurate rate. What you've said applies to the climb in rank and not the plateau.

It applies everywhere. You plateau because you reach a point where you're about the same skill as everyone you're playing with, and thus you can't win as often. Is it possible to 'get lucky' and go on a streak? Absolutely. What happens when you go on a streak? Your MMR goes up. It may go WAY up because you were very lucky. However, because it was only luck that got you there, you actually have a harder time keeping up, and so, you guessed it, you start losing. Most likely you'll lose a whole bunch in a row, with some wins sprinkled in, because you are not good enough to win consistently where you are. And eventually you end up were you had started. Or you might be tilted from losing so much, and you actually lose even more. But then the exact same effect happens. Suddenly you're playing with people who are, again, not as good as you, and you start winning.

This has everything to do with being matched with EQUALLY RATED PLAYERS, and nothing at all to do with Riot's matchmaking wanting you to win 50% of your games. What would the point of that even be? How would it even be logistically accomplished. Like I said, I asked you two simple questions:

If you were correct about the game setting you up to lose, how does it select the 4 other players on your team to take the fall with you? How does it select the 5 other players that get a free win?

AnateraFeb 14, 20181 votes

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It applies everywhere. You plateau because you reach a point where you're about the same skill as everyone you're playing with, and thus you can't win as often. Is it possible to 'get lucky' and go on a streak? Absolutely. What happens when you go on a streak? Your MMR goes up. It may go WAY up because you were very lucky. However, because it was only luck that got you there, you actually have a harder time keeping up, and so, you guessed it, you start losing. Most likely you'll lose a whole bunch in a row, with some wins sprinkled in, because you are not good enough to win consistently where you are. And eventually you end up were you had started. Or you might be tilted from losing so much, and you actually lose even more. But then the exact same effect happens. Suddenly you're playing with people who are, again, not as good as you, and you start winning.

This has everything to do with being matched with EQUALLY RATED PLAYERS, and nothing at all to do with Riot's matchmaking wanting you to win 50% of your games. What would the point of that even be? How would it even be logistically accomplished. Like I said, I asked you two simple questions:

If you were correct about the game setting you up to lose, how does it select the 4 other players on your team to take the fall with you? How does it select the 5 other players that get a free win?

Uh... It selects them based on your mmr...?

SubdueFeb 15, 20185 votes

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Uh... It selects them based on your mmr...?

Okay... I know this is confusing for you...

Riot has decided that it's going to stack a game to make you lose, so you stay at 50%. How do they decide who to put on your team? Can't just be people with the same MMR, how would that make you lose? And why would those players also deserve to have a sure loss? How do they decide who to put on the enemy team? Again, can't just be people with the same MMR, how would that make them win? And why would those players also deserve to have a free win?

AnateraFeb 15, 20185 votes

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Okay... I know this is confusing for you...

Riot has decided that it's going to stack a game to make you lose, so you stay at 50%. How do they decide who to put on your team? Can't just be people with the same MMR, how would that make you lose? And why would those players also deserve to have a sure loss? How do they decide who to put on the enemy team? Again, can't just be people with the same MMR, how would that make them win? And why would those players also deserve to have a free win?

Are you seriously asking me to predict Riot's algorithm they use for matchmaking? Please stop.

SubdueFeb 15, 20185 votes

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Are you seriously asking me to predict Riot's algorithm they use for matchmaking? Please stop.

I am asking you to offer a plausible explanation. Something that at least makes logical sense in your head, for how they might do what you're accusing them of doing. I don't think that's an unrealistic request.

AnateraFeb 15, 20184 votes

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I am asking you to offer a plausible explanation. Something that at least makes logical sense in your head, for how they might do what you're accusing them of doing. I don't think that's an unrealistic request.

No, you're asking me to show you something that I could only possible know the details to if I was a Riot employee.

SkorchFeb 15, 20184 votes

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No, you're asking me to show you something that I could only possible know the details to if I was a Riot employee.

If thats the case how is that any different than you claiming the 50% forced winrate in the first place.

AnateraFeb 15, 20183 votes

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If thats the case how is that any different than you claiming the 50% forced winrate in the first place.

Because I see the 50% win rate on my profile? Just like a lot of other people do?

SkorchFeb 15, 20185 votes

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Because I see the 50% win rate on my profile? Just like a lot of other people do?

And that doesnt for a second make this conspiracy theory anymore correct. YOU having a 50% winrate doesnt mean you are statistically FORCED to have it. That just means that probably is where you should be. How else would many MANY people be able to climb with +70% winrate. Are they chosen by the Rito gods?

AnateraFeb 15, 20181 votes

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And that doesnt for a second make this conspiracy theory anymore correct. YOU having a 50% winrate doesnt mean you are statistically FORCED to have it. That just means that probably is where you should be. How else would many MANY people be able to climb with +70% winrate. Are they chosen by the Rito gods?

My god, you sound like that other guy. Actually you might be, now that I think of it, but I'll assume you aren't.

If they kept playing, it would even out once the number of games becomes statistically relevant to notice a plateau. And I'm assuming you're talking about ranked. I am not, because it is, unfortunately, not a good way to gauge this particular statistic unless you play ranked a lot. If you only play a handful of games to reach a particular rank then stop, it is a poor indicator because that rank gets reset at the end of every season.

SkorchFeb 15, 20183 votes

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My god, you sound like that other guy. Actually you might be, now that I think of it, but I'll assume you aren't.

If they kept playing, it would even out once the number of games becomes statistically relevant to notice a plateau. And I'm assuming you're talking about ranked. I am not, because it is, unfortunately, not a good way to gauge this particular statistic unless you play ranked a lot. If you only play a handful of games to reach a particular rank then stop, it is a poor indicator because that rank gets reset at the end of every season.

How statistics work in a large sample size is typically you get closer and closer to 50% the larger the sample size is if its truely random. Thinking I have a 50% winrate in norms because Riot forces me there is 100% insane. And for the record I have a 60ish% winrate in norms as well.

Best Ekko NAFeb 15, 20181 votes

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It applies everywhere. You plateau because you reach a point where you're about the same skill as everyone you're playing with, and thus you can't win as often. Is it possible to 'get lucky' and go on a streak? Absolutely. What happens when you go on a streak? Your MMR goes up. It may go WAY up because you were very lucky. However, because it was only luck that got you there, you actually have a harder time keeping up, and so, you guessed it, you start losing. Most likely you'll lose a whole bunch in a row, with some wins sprinkled in, because you are not good enough to win consistently where you are. And eventually you end up were you had started. Or you might be tilted from losing so much, and you actually lose even more. But then the exact same effect happens. Suddenly you're playing with people who are, again, not as good as you, and you start winning.

This has everything to do with being matched with EQUALLY RATED PLAYERS, and nothing at all to do with Riot's matchmaking wanting you to win 50% of your games. What would the point of that even be? How would it even be logistically accomplished. Like I said, I asked you two simple questions:

If you were correct about the game setting you up to lose, how does it select the 4 other players on your team to take the fall with you? How does it select the 5 other players that get a free win?

Except, you can be matched with ANYONE, because the system picks from a general pool of players around the same MMR for both teams. That much is very obvious. What then looks intriguing is where often times the game separates teams into one really good player with a high win rate, with the lowest win percent players, and the rest of the players get to be on the enemy team. Does it happen every single time? Well, no but it happens quite frequently and is noticeable at all Tiers / Ranks. There are a lot of games in Viper's match history for instance, where you can see a full team of mid to high ranked Challengers against a team with one Challenger player and the rest Master Tier / D1, even D2's. That doesn't mean the team with Diamond 2 players cannot win, but from a statistical point of view, the team with 5 Challenger players definitely appears to have a high odds of winning the game.

I highly disagree with the relative theories about "MMR spikes" causing you to lose, because it's simply not true. When my MMR goes up, I get matched against better enemies, however my teammates stay at my MMR instead. It's something that can factually be seen on OP.GG on any account where the player is winning many games in a row. A Silver IV player, playing with a team of Silver IV's, except his enemies are all Silver III or higher.. even Golds mixed in. Your teammates don't get any better, instead you are forced into more difficult games where they are going to feed their asses off against enemies they cannot handle, and you have to deal with it. That's the part where the "team game" comes into play. Is it impossible to win? Once again, no. Anything can happen, you could get 3 kills at level 1 and just hard carry the game solo.. your teammate could get fed and not be as useless as he / she normally is. There's no predicting games. The fact is however, that the game in general is not fairly matched.

Players with low win rates, deserve to be matched with other players and against other players with low win rates. Even if both players are the same MMR, that doesn't make it a fair match. One guy on your team could be a Gold V player with a 15 win, 60 losses record, playing with a bunch of Silver V's.. That doesn't make it fair to the Silver V players who are sitting over a 50% win rate just because that Gold V is the same MMR as they are. Realistically, the players matched with that Gold V player are more likely to lose, even if someone on that team could carry it.

SubdueFeb 15, 20182 votes

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Except, you can be matched with ANYONE, because the system picks from a general pool of players around the same MMR for both teams. That much is very obvious. What then looks intriguing is where often times the game separates teams into one really good player with a high win rate, with the lowest win percent players, and the rest of the players get to be on the enemy team. Does it happen every single time? Well, no but it happens quite frequently and is noticeable at all Tiers / Ranks. There are a lot of games in Viper's match history for instance, where you can see a full team of mid to high ranked Challengers against a team with one Challenger player and the rest Master Tier / D1, even D2's. That doesn't mean the team with Diamond 2 players cannot win, but from a statistical point of view, the team with 5 Challenger players definitely appears to have a high odds of winning the game.

I highly disagree with the relative theories about "MMR spikes" causing you to lose, because it's simply not true. When my MMR goes up, I get matched against better enemies, however my teammates stay at my MMR instead. It's something that can factually be seen on OP.GG on any account where the player is winning many games in a row. A Silver IV player, playing with a team of Silver IV's, except his enemies are all Silver III or higher.. even Golds mixed in. Your teammates don't get any better, instead you are forced into more difficult games where they are going to feed their asses off against enemies they cannot handle, and you have to deal with it. That's the part where the "team game" comes into play. Is it impossible to win? Once again, no. Anything can happen, you could get 3 kills at level 1 and just hard carry the game solo.. your teammate could get fed and not be as useless as he / she normally is. There's no predicting games. The fact is however, that the game in general is not fairly matched.

Players with low win rates, deserve to be matched with other players and against other players with low win rates. Even if both players are the same MMR, that doesn't make it a fair match. One guy on your team could be a Gold V player with a 15 win, 60 losses record, playing with a bunch of Silver V's.. That doesn't make it fair to the Silver V players who are sitting over a 50% win rate just because that Gold V is the same MMR as they are. Realistically, the players matched with that Gold V player are more likely to lose, even if someone on that team could carry it.

Well, first of all, the very top of the ladder is pretty much the only place where you get massive differences in player skill. This is because those players are the best of the best, and in order to match them with anyone, they have to be matched with people below them, as there are very few people at their level. This does not apply anywhere else, because everywhere else there are plenty of people with similar MMRs.

That said, what you're describing doesn't happen, at least not in a way that is manufactured to make you lose. There are a few key factors the screw up your observation:

Most games aren't identically matched. This is because it is very difficult to come up with 2 sets of 5 players within the same range that have exactly the same total MMR with reasonable queue times. Instead the system decides that a matchup is 'close enough' and balances MMR gain/losses based on the difference. For example, if your team's average MMR is 1400 and your opponent's average MMR is 1450, the system awards you more MMR if you win, and deducts less MMR if you lose.
Op.gg's MMR ratings are an estimation and may or may not reflect the actual MMR of the players.
Tier / Division are not always matched to MMR. A player at Platinum 5 may have an MMR as low as a player at Gold 4, because you don't fall out of a Tier until you're a full Tier of MMR below it. That means that a player who is playing statistically at a Gold 4 level could have a Platinum 5 badge. Stuff like this can happen for any number of reasons, such as perhaps a player deciding to switch primary roles.
Winrate is actually not indicative of anything outside of context. Example: Would you rather have teammates with a 49% winrate in diamond or a 75% win Bronze? A player that's had a string of unlucky games and fallen from Gold 2 MMR to Gold 5 MMR is likely still better than a player who has had a string of lucky games and ended up in Silver 1, even if their win rates don't reflect this. This is why the system uses MMR rather than winrate, as MMR contains that context.
Player tendencies and risk aversion differs across players. Some players play very conservatively. They have average scores, rarely feed, rarely go big on their own either. Other players play very aggressively. They take big risks, and sometimes those risks result in big wins, and others, big losses. A conservative player playing with an aggressive player that's getting the big wins sees a player that's seems better than everyone else. A conservative player playing with the same aggressive player that is getting the big losses sees a player that's worse than everyone else. However, if you look at the overall performance of that player across a large number of games, you see that they win about as often as the conservative player with and against the same people the conservative player is playing with. As a side note, if you're a conservative player it's often difficult to see this because conservative players will get dragged along with a winning aggressive player. You get your assists in, you get the global gold from objectives, and you might even snag a few kills, which makes your score look really nice, when in reality you were getting carried.
Plain old observation bias. Players don't think twice about a match that went well, but will dwell extensively and remember matches that go poorly. Such is human nature.

NaqelFeb 15, 20188 votes

There is no "forced win rate". When you win, your internal rating changes upwards and you are matched against enemies who also have a higher rating than the ones you fought previously.

If you keep winning, you'll either reach the top(although you spcifically probably never will), or your rating will eventually cease to reflect your actual skill. In either case, this will eventually produce a defeat, as you are matched against a team that is objectively better(because their rating represents a consistent performance, whereas yours would be inflated by a long string of wins).

T4underboltFeb 15, 201811 votes

False completely. Riot won't admit that but other compaines with MMR system has admitted how the system really works. You can see same effects of matchmaking there like in lol. Same systems. Do you know how really it works?

You get matched based on team's average MMR. Not individual. Do you know why you skip divisions? Because there is a certain mmr range for certain division if you exceed it you either skip division of fall down immediately. If you win many games in a row your MMR is higher than average for certain division. So to make team's average the same to match enemy team you get people with lower mmr than average (usually titled people, on loss streaks, or simply bad players either boosted or carried by friend etc.). This is when you notice "why is my team is boosted. they play like complete noobs. Making mistakes that you can see only in new and completely bad players gameplays". This is the result of matchmaking trying to make average team's MMR equal. I will use fictional numbers to explain this.

Average MMR of division you are in is 1000. Enemy has 5 players each 1000 MMR. You won a lot of games lately. You have 2000 MMR. So to make your team's average MMR 1000 and match both team's average MMR, your team needs players with 750 MMR which is below average. both team's mmr average is the same, but your temamates are on lose streaks, bad or tilted and you have to carry even more than before.

After loss streak your enemies are still the same decent skill level but your teammates suddenly play decently as well because your MMR dropped after loss streak so the average of all players in your team is the same.

This is the "big" mystery that Riot tried to hide which is dumb since it was revealed by other companies using exactly the same system. Unlike Riot, those companies try to fix the matchmaking and ranking points gains but improving the system with individual performance stats that are taken into account in ranking system. And I'm not talking excusively about KDA ratio, but a lot of other things that count in. Riot just want you to play the game. So they make it much longer and harder to climb. It's not that its impossible to get e.g. diamond. Its just all the odds are against you and it will take much longer than it should take.

TopperHFeb 15, 20186 votes

Except that's not how it works. If you win a lot and reach 2000 mmr it will match you with players around 2000 and both teams mmr should be close to 2000. You are talking like your team mmr never changes despite you winning a lot. That is simply false.

Matches are made using MMR only, not division.

The only frustrating thing with the match making system is that mmr and rank don't evolve at the same pace, that's why you can be silver with gold mmr. And that's why varying LP gains and division skips exist, so that rank can catch up faster to mmr (upward or downward).

T4underboltFeb 15, 20182 votes

See. You just don't understand and keep believe in blatant lies that riot feeds you when the evidence is all around and confirmed by other companies using the same system. It's average team MMR that matches teams. Not individual.

TopperHFeb 15, 20183 votes

And the average team MMR is always close to your personal MMR. The higher your personal MMR is, the higher your team average MMR will be because the system matches you with players whose MMR is as close to yours as possible. It can't always find the perfect players so there is some variance in individual MMR sometimes. But no, you are not stuck at a given team average MMR for ever and ever.

I'm sorry you don't have the capacity to understand such a basic concept and prefer to pin your inability to climb on a conspiracy theory.

Nea104Feb 15, 20187 votes

People should stop and count how many balanced games they had among the last 20-50-100. The reason why many don't realize how rigged it is, it's that they pay attention to the balancing of their game only when they lose.

Look at your victories, how many happen just because the other team is far weaker than yours? :D 75%? 90%? Rigged. Or heavily flawed, but since it has been that way since forever... Well :D

mig mig warwickFeb 15, 20183 votes

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People should stop and count how many balanced games they had among the last 20-50-100. The reason why many don't realize how rigged it is, it's that they pay attention to the balancing of their game only when they lose.

Look at your victories, how many happen just because the other team is far weaker than yours? :D 75%? 90%? Rigged. Or heavily flawed, but since it has been that way since forever... Well :D

i was on a winning streak and i will come out and say 6 of them were too ez i though im playing co op

General Esdeath Feb 15, 20184 votes

Stomping in a game =/= a balanced game

Nea104Feb 15, 20182 votes

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Stomping in a game =/= a balanced game

That's exactly my point :)

General Esdeath Feb 15, 20183 votes

I know, but people are gonna miss it so I'm gonna put it here for them to see.

They're gonna think "MYEH THEY ONLY THINK IT'S UNBALANCED BECAUSE THEY LOST" but let me tell you I stomped 3 games yesterday and not a single one was really fun (aside from one shotting someone with Riven, which is always fun).

General Esdeath Feb 15, 20185 votes

"BUT BUT I SAW THIS CHALLENGER PLAYER SMURFING AND HE CARRIED HIS TEAM BY GOING 10-0 IN THE LANE AND GETTING FIRST TOWER AND ROAMING. JUST GIT GUD!"