@Riot When's the next normal ADC?

LegacyDAP·Aug 4, 2016·1 votes·408 views

That might sound kind of vague, but when do we get an ADC that was like Twitch, Sivir, Ashe, or Old Graves again? When do we get an ADC that isn't extremely overloaded or have some part of their kit that they need to play around (Jhin and Kalista). I know that the majority of champions will have abilities you need to play around, but the recent champions have felt like it's more than others, so I'd like a "regular" ADC to be made again.

I guess the best way to explain it would be an ADC with no built in kit mobility (depends on actual self kiting and mechanics) and aren't extremely overloaded in their abilities (exact opposite of Jhin's whisper).

15 Comments

ZelnickAug 4, 20162 votes

I think the new normal adc should just be old graves, I loved playing with his swift movement and burst. New graves is inept in adc lane.

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

I miss old Graves.

ReikkenAug 4, 20161 votes

give me a regular anything champ

well actually Taliyah is a resonably "regular" mage, but her aside, the last one was 2 years ago

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

Actually, now that I think about it this would be for the best.

I'd like a champion that just feels normal to play and isn't extremely overwhelming on every ability.

MarshbouyAug 4, 20161 votes

That's how the champion pool stagnates and every champion is the same.

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

Each champion has their differences something slightly unique.

You don't need to overload the shit out of the champion to make sure it's not boring or stale.

Jinx is fun because you can switch between guns. Ashe is fun because you're a utility ADC who can slow. Twitch is fun because he can poison his targets.

It's hard to explain, but I haven't felt like the champion pool stagnated ever.

MarshbouyAug 4, 20162 votes

Jhin not overloaded AurelionSol not overloaded Taliyah not overloaded I fail to see your point.

Well you are blatantly wrong. The champion pool has stagnated. RIOT is fixing it. Old graves, quinn, corki, jinx, and caitlin were all incredibly close to the same champion. Now you pick quinn to assassinate. Corki for mixed damage. Jinx for hypercarry late game. Caitlin for siege. Pre class update they were picked based on best numbers, now they are not.

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

Jhin and not overloaded do not mix. Read his passive Whisper, built in with guaranteed crit long range snare, stupid damage. Not even gonna argue about you with this one if you don't agree.

Aurelion is not overloaded, but he is forced to play around one thing so much and that's what I dislike about certain champions. Jhin is the same, has to play around his Whisper a ton. Like I said, a lot of champions play around their abilities, but some more than others, and the overload/power of the abilities makes them like that. Taliyah, is pretty overloaded on Q, gets MS on worked ground, only shoots one rock. Not worked ground and shoots 5 rocks. Plays around her worked ground.

The champion pool in my opinion was not stagnating that much. They did need reworks, but completely changing their kit and playstyle is not what I had in mind.

Graves can't even be played Bot anymore because he was too broken last time so they nerfed him to oblivion.

Corki also got nerfed into oblivion and is rarely played anymore 46% win rate right now in bot.

Quinn's rework was actually fine to be honest, and I have no problems with that.

Jinx was not close to any ADC at the time since she was the most unique being able to switch how she did damage, but she was overall a better ADC than every other champion because of it.

Caitlyn was pretty much always a siege ADC, but got buffed.

The only thing that you can say really stagnated was Old Graves and Lucian. Lucian was literally a better Graves, but Graves was still unique and an up close burst ADC which made him fun. And possibly Jinx and Kog'maw since Jinx was a better hypercarry than Kog at the time and had more range with AOE shots.

I agree with the ADC rework and it stagnated enough to happen, but I don't agree with the way they went along with it, because I rather have a stagnating champion pool than a champion that gets nerfed into oblivion after trying to make them "unique."

TL;DR: Rather have a stagnating champion pool than a unique champion pool with 2-3 choices to pick for a role.

MarshbouyAug 4, 20162 votes

TL;DR you understand nothing about champion balance and variation within the roles. I do not have the patience to explain to you the information you lack

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

I understand both of those things, but who's replacing Old Graves right now? Nobody. Why can't that slot be filled again?

It's ironic that you say I understand nothing even though I tried to write a whole paragraph of my opinion. You don't lack patience, you lack the ability to see another point of view.

I get where you're coming from and how their needs to be variation, but what's the problem with making a "stale" ADC again? We don't need to make 5 or 6 of them like apparently their were when you decided to mention them, but what's the problem with making one more?

CaítlynAug 4, 20161 votes

The last one was Lucian

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

I'd like to consider Jinx the last one, because they were pretty much equal with how regular and simple they were.

CaítlynAug 4, 20161 votes

Oh I dont remember the order, it was a long time ago. Either one of those 2

SukishooAug 4, 20161 votes

Normal? What be that?

LegacyDAPAug 4, 20161 votes

Vague is what it is. I can't really explain it, but I don't want a champion to have a weird mechanic built into their kit like the past 2 ADC's have. Jhin Kalista