Why is Lifesteal so strong that a character with 20% HP can beat a full health ganker thanks to it?

Strawberrycocoa··1 votes·459 views

Lifesteal frustrates the hell out of me, especially considering it's AP counterpart, Spellvamp, keeps seeing nerfs to it's viability and itemization for doing exactly the thing Lifesteal does for auto-attackers: providing large amounts of health very quickly.

Why is it okay that an auto-attacker with low health can turn and fight on a full health ganker, and live thanks to Lifesteal's healing?

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PDE5 Inhib3 votes

Pics or it didn't happen

ValyrianBlade2 votes

What was your level as the ganker. What champion were you. How fed or behind were you?

LIkewise what level were they? What champion, and how fed?

Most of the time, I'm seeing a level 5 thresh try to finish the level 9 Fizz that just survived killing the mid laner with around 15% HP left. It doesn't matter that Fizz doesn't have lifesteal even, he's going to crush that pre-6 Thresh.

Likewise, if you're a melee champion without a gap closer, and are behind the carry with lifesteal, OF COURSE he's going to beat you. It doesn't have much to do with the lifesteal - if you're not a sustained damage champion then you need to kill them with burst. If your burst doesn't kill them, their sustained damage will kill you before your cooldowns are back up. Lifesteal may drag it out longer and make it less visible that you'd lose, but it's no different than them having a bit more health and surviving your burst then simply outdamaging you.

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

Shyvana, vs Jax. 5 full items to his 5 and a half. Don't recall levels, he may have been up by 1.

ValyrianBlade2 votes

Jax is one of league's strongest duelists and hardest scaling carries. Shyvana is a respectable damage dealer in the early game, but I think her damage falls off late game. If Jax had ultimate up and landed his stun successfully, he's probably going to win that fight comfortably.

If you dodged (i.e. flashed) his stun, then I'd say you probably would have got the kill. I'm assuming you engaged with R.

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

Yeah I know Jax is a monster of a fighter once he gets his core items, but I guess I figured at low health he could still be dived.

Grah. Well, thanks for the thoughts.

bbb2 votes

Burst down. Also a "ganker" can mean many things. An assasin "ganker" doesn't have problems with that. A CC "ganker" may have a problem with that. Someone with lots of CC in their kit is naturally tanky. They are supposed to help the team take down the enemy, not to solo the enemy. Someone with high bursts (assasin "gankers") doesn't have any problems executing someone with 15% hp.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

What character are we talking about, here?

Because if it's Olaf or Aatrox or Tryndamere, that's how those champions function and thrive.

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