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So I'm watching the progress on the Pool Party rewards, and getting a bit mad at how it was setup.

Strawberrycocoa··202 votes·10,722 views

With two days left to farm points on the event and still only halfway to the top reward, I'm kind of irritated at how the earning of points was set up.

You do not earn points by simply grouping up and participating in the event. According to the Pool Party event page, groups of 5 only earn points when they WIN. So 50% of the people grouping up and playing in 5s to contribute to the event are contributing NOTHING because every 5 man that loses their game provides zero progress to unlocking the reward tiers. A lesser contribution for losing teams, even just 1 point, would at LEAST let us feel like we're helping push towards the top prizes, but nope. Half of the people playing the event aren't doing a damn thing to unlock rewards.

And that 50/50 success rate is the only way to contribute through gameplay. The other two options require spending real money to contribute points. And be honest, how many people are going to do that? How many people are going to spend their hard earned money to contribute towards prize tiers that may or may not even happen, when they could just buy Pool Party Mundo after the skins release and be guaranteed to get it? Except for the icon and mystery champion, every other tier is a temporary reward. Who is going to spend their real world money for a prize like Pool Party Minions that only lasts for the week of the event?

Really, it's gating the biggest point contributions behind real money that irritates me. Why not reward players for competing and grouping and PLAYING the game? Why create an event that's built and designed to milk more money out of the playerbase? In events gone past the icons and the special minions would have simply been rolled out as part of the event. Now it's all gated behind either real money or a contribution method with a 50% failure rate.

The whole thing is feeling like a big tease. -_-

177 Comments

Snakezzy99 votes

Yeah... they want us to gift more, they dont give a single shit if we group as 5 and play. They want the money man, all the money.

A Miss Fortune45 votes

No idea why you were downvoted, you're pretty accurate with it. The entire thing is just to get money, even one of the prizes is totally related to us spending more money too.

V2msRHouI08 votes

Its the reds

A Miss Fortune8 votes

they're coming for us

and there's nothing we can do to stop them

Teemo

GigglingAngel49 votes

The worst best part about this event is that they had it run during E3 week, so there never was a chance in hell for us to get the main prize.

It's rather stupid.

SH Azykan10 votes

it is seriously the worst possible week to run the event with everything else going on XD

Quantum Weeb9 votes

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The worst best part about this event is that they had it run during E3 week, so there never was a chance in hell for us to get the main prize.

It's rather stupid.

It's also finals week for much of Canada, people are busy studying.

CudyDarkyz5 votes

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The worst best part about this event is that they had it run during E3 week, so there never was a chance in hell for us to get the main prize.

It's rather stupid.

"also steam sale

Jeddy01723 votes

Well,I saw a red post saying they were still new at doing events like these & that they still have much to learn. I agree that those 5 man premade who loses should still contribute some points rather than just the winners.If someone manage to lose all their premaded games throughout the event & ended up contributing no points,then they would unfortunately be inegilible for the rewards even though they tried.I don't know if that player is out there & I hope there won't be because that is just a giant "Fuck You" to the player. There definitely should have been some more ways to contribute without spending money or winning a game.

Alipheese is bae5 votes

I've queued up for a few, and we've not won a 5 man yet RIP

Jeddy0174 votes

Lucky for you,you still have some time to get at least one win.But still Riot needs to take players like you into consideration the next time they do this. You deserve rewards,not "Fuck you"s.

Dr Poro7 votes

I lost 10 (Yes TEN!) ARAM games 5 man premade before winning one, and that one was still a close one. Idk what happened, but I guess people with a lot of ARAM games in their history are getting screwed by all this fresh ARAM elo players influx.

Strawberrycocoa11 votes

Honestly, I don't get that. Riot's been in this business for five years now, how is running an event "new" to them?

Xonra6 votes

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Honestly, I don't get that. Riot's been in this business for five years now, how is running an event "new" to them?

The problem is (which riot will never admit out right) that the company has become a bit of a revolving door outside of key members, especially the past 3 years.

They keep breaking teams into other teams, moving people around, hiring new people, people leaving, changing teams up, etc. So the team that made a successful event this year (Assuming there is one) most likely won't be the same team that makes even the same event next year, so they won't have learned anything, as the group that did it and learned, is probably going to be doing something else, if not gone completely.

Part of the reason the lore, as an example, is a mess. They have had what...3-4 different people in charge in 2-3 years? Same goes for many other areas as well, they just don't advertise that fact.

It is like a sports team changing players year in and year out. Sure they did it right last year, but if half the roster is gone, they have to learn to do it right all over again. Biggest problem Riot has, and the main reason things take forever to get done.

kJs2 votes

If what you say about shifting resources too often is true then that's a massive problem.

4nth0l0gy23 votes

Riot, for all that I like about them, has almost never chosen to be charitable toward their playerbase.

Look at the state of Runes, Rune Pages, and Champion IP prices, which are extremely gating to new players and require, literally, months of grinding to achieve.

Look at the recent Gromp icon, which is really no different from, say, the already free wolf icon.

Look at the chroma packs (and the champion mastery system), which are for some reason grouped in threes and (as I understand) are essentially achievable with 30 minutes in photoshop.

Look at the removal of IP sales on champions years ago.

Look at the Esports Icons, which are way more about supporting the teams than supporting Riot itself.

When a company does as well as Riot does, they often give back to the community with free gifts. Any one of these (relatively meager) things I've listed could have been structured to be more easily accessible as rewards for player dedication and support.

I've received a free skin, which was great. And I have received icons from events, which were cute.

While I appreciate these; while I am not, in fact, entitled to free rewards ever; I am much more likely to care about a game if I'm given rewards for simply playing. There is a huge difference between something I can buy, and something I can earn. And 99 times out of 100, Riot will make you pay instead of play for the kind of incentives we'd like (skins in particular).

This is why I like Pool Party so much in theory, but in reality, the execution is extremely stacked against actually earning rewards. And this, unfortunately, is no surprise at all.

Rebellions9 votes

30 minutes in photoshop? Try 30 seconds with the fill tool in microsoft paint :P

Wumachine7 votes

30s in microsoft paint? try 3 seconds by sliding the color balance bar in photoshop

Drukyul7 votes

They threw everyone that wasn't a raging psycho a free, random skin a while back. So I wouldn't say never, ever. Though overall, yeah, pretty terrible.

4nth0l0gy4 votes

Hm. You know, you're right, they did do that. I'll amend it.

Cosnirak2 votes

Well said!

PopePancake10 votes

Riot didn't exactly pick a good time to do this event. 1st. E3 was happening, and people are either at it, or were watching it. 2nd. Steams summer sale was going on, and people either didn't have money to help the event, or were too busy playing their new game. I mean, i like what riot's doing, but i feel the timing was a little bad.

Xonra5 votes

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Riot didn't exactly pick a good time to do this event. 1st. E3 was happening, and people are either at it, or were watching it. 2nd. Steams summer sale was going on, and people either didn't have money to help the event, or were too busy playing their new game. I mean, i like what riot's doing, but i feel the timing was a little bad.

Not to mention tomorrow is Father's day, so yet another reason for people not to have money (lots of people to last minute shopping).

I also know plenty of people that do stuff like camping, or weekend fishing, etc on Saturday as well as Sunday, or even leave for trips on Friday's (is why my roomy is gone, cause he went on a camping trip thing with his dad and uncle).

They seriously didn't think it through since it is an obvious cash grab event, and no one is going to have money during the steam summer sale, plus people pre-ordering games (people go pre-order crazy during E3).

LICENSED HOOKER9 votes

The whole thing is $$$ If they really actually wanted to give us a skin, they would + they would let us get those bonuses for premade 5's by itself.

SGT SWAGLE9 votes

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HadesBlades8 votes

This honestly could have been a super fun event if they gave the losing team, 2 points and the winning team 5. With the summer sales and E3 yes it would make it difficult, but even if you lose a game as a 5 pre-made that is still about half of what the winners got, which is still pretty big contribution. I don't mind gifting a few friends, and playing premades, but 55million points was far too much. Considering people play ranked as their main objective to get better, and that all these other events around us are going on, this whole event was tilted in a way that the last and final goal was not actual possibility :/ . I really enjoy the event don't get me wrong (first one :D) but I don't know the dream seems so hard to achieve especially with China not participating.

Ice Cold Waz6 votes

I completely agree with this and this is why I've disliked it from the beginning. I was under the impression that when we lost we still got 5 points. I played five ARAMs with premades and lost them all and was like oh we still got points. When I found out we didn't get points I was so like so I just wasted 2-3 hours and because I never won I'm still not included in the rewards.

Finally I just gave a mystery skin to someone after a game who gave one back to me to get included in the event.

Dr Poro2 votes

We still did get points. You didn't, but the community did. See, 5 man premades are always set up against other 5 man premades, so for one to win such game, another team has to lose. Without losing teams, there are no winning teams. All 10 of the players are actually contributing the 5 points. It doesn't matter who wins the game. If you want to help the community the most, you should queue up for ARAM/dominion and surrender at 15 minutes every time. If everyone surrendered at 15 when they're behind, games would end way faster and we could play a lot more.

Ice Cold Waz4 votes

Except that you don't get points. Like yes you needed to lose but if someone were to play two ARAM games in pool party groups of 5 and lose both of them and those were the only pool party games they played. They still don't get the rewards, even if their losing contributed to points.

So yes you earn points but you need to win, and losing doesn't let you be a participant.

Singady5 votes

I guess it may be because i've actually met some really cool people because of it, but I have to disagree with you.

I believe riot's trying to actually bring the comminity closer together and reward you because of it. If they REALLY wanted to scam us off with skin sales and gifting, there are a lot worse(and more effective) ways to do it then that.

Eleshakai3 votes

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I guess it may be because i've actually met some really cool people because of it, but I have to disagree with you.

I believe riot's trying to actually bring the comminity closer together and reward you because of it. If they REALLY wanted to scam us off with skin sales and gifting, there are a lot worse(and more effective) ways to do it then that.

if the goal were to bring people together, they'd reward people for grouping no matter how many people they grouped with.(and probably scale the points up based off of the number of people in the premade). No, this really does feel like a money grab... it's one of the few times where I've really felt that Riot's promotions are not thinking of the players.

Bronze 6 Smurf5 votes

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With two days left to farm points on the event and still only halfway to the top reward, I'm kind of irritated at how the earning of points was set up.

You do not earn points by simply grouping up and participating in the event. According to the Pool Party event page, groups of 5 only earn points when they WIN. So 50% of the people grouping up and playing in 5s to contribute to the event are contributing NOTHING because every 5 man that loses their game provides zero progress to unlocking the reward tiers. A lesser contribution for losing teams, even just 1 point, would at LEAST let us feel like we're helping push towards the top prizes, but nope. Half of the people playing the event aren't doing a damn thing to unlock rewards.

And that 50/50 success rate is the only way to contribute through gameplay. The other two options require spending real money to contribute points. And be honest, how many people are going to do that? How many people are going to spend their hard earned money to contribute towards prize tiers that may or may not even happen, when they could just buy Pool Party Mundo after the skins release and be guaranteed to get it? Except for the icon and mystery champion, every other tier is a temporary reward. Who is going to spend their real world money for a prize like Pool Party Minions that only lasts for the week of the event?

Really, it's gating the biggest point contributions behind real money that irritates me. Why not reward players for competing and grouping and PLAYING the game? Why create an event that's built and designed to milk more money out of the playerbase? In events gone past the icons and the special minions would have simply been rolled out as part of the event. Now it's all gated behind either real money or a contribution method with a 50% failure rate.

The whole thing is feeling like a big tease. -_-

Well, in theory if 5 man team loses then other 5 man team wins... So the losers do contribute

ElJanitorFrank5 votes

You know, they could have just NOT done this and NOT given everybody who plays the game free prizes.

Wickedfates4 votes

they are the ones with the data on how many gifts are given regularly, how many premade 5's win a game in a week and in the end riot is the one telling us how full that lil bar gets every day, so if they want it to say full at the end it will

who has any info to disagree with where it ends up?

Juicy84 votes

You guys are focusing too much about the prizes. Just play the game.

The Loveless3 votes

I really wanted the 35 mil reward :-/

1000 rp never forget

Wukongz3 votes

You see, you are exactly what's wrong with this community.

Riot are already loaded. The cash they earn from this wouldn't make such a huge difference.

No one is forcing you to play this game. No one is forcing you to buy skins and gifts if you don't like it.

It's a fun event meant to bring people together and play as a team without taking the game so seriously. It's really only your problem that you want the Party Mundo for free so badly that you view this as a "win grind fest" instead of a "pool party event".

Strawberrycocoa7 votes

It's a fun event meant to bring people together and play as a team without taking the game so seriously. It's really only your problem that you want the Party Mundo for free so badly that you view this as a "win grind fest" instead of a "pool party event".

If it's "meant to bring people together and play as a team", then why is that not the most contributive method of earning points?

And they completely ARE trying to nudge people into buying gifts, because if you want to unlock these rewards you can double or triple the amount of points contributed by buying a gift item.

Quite frankly, I don't think wanting a fair method of earning the top prize without bleeding out my wallet is unfair. It's not a big deal if we make it to the free Mundo skin or not. My problem with it is that the event should reward gameplay MORE than they reward paying out cash.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

Haha man, the entire thing is for free... just enjoy the rewards we do get, and spend some time getting some sunshine today.

Krigjer3 votes

A friend wanted to trade skins to contribute to the point pool. I turned him down quick, and this is why.

I read that they set the points so high because they were testing the waters to see what the community could realistically reach. The oceanic servers hit their point ceilings in very little time, so they upped the amount this time around.

Dr Poro2 votes

If you queue up 5 man premade, you always face another 5 man premade. This means that whenever you queue up 5 man premade you ALWAYS ensure 5 points to be gained. The thing is that you need 10 players for these 5 points rather than 5 players. But everytime you queue up, you DO contribute half a point to the community! (5 points per game, divided by 10 players)

Lucifer8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=i1icQqZi,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2015-06-20T20:19:01.640+0000)

If you queue up 5 man premade, you always face another 5 man premade. This means that whenever you queue up 5 man premade you ALWAYS ensure 5 points to be gained. The thing is that you need 10 players for these 5 points rather than 5 players. But everytime you queue up, you DO contribute half a point to the community! (5 points per game, divided by 10 players)

This isn't true. The system tries to match you with other 5 man premades, but that's not always the case. Sometimes you will get groups of 3 or 4 as well.

TacoKench2 votes

calm down. riot tryng their best on making the game more fun everytime and ppl dont see this and they are just complaining. i mean, u have a point but, think about it,

Budupops2 votes

You think riot is going to give out free money?

DynamiteGazelle2 votes

I think the biggest problem is there is no visibility for the event. It's not on the pre-login launcher, the login screen, and on the client it only has a small box since river king was announced. Even on the website it doesn't have a very noticeable spot on the main page.

Also, they didn't actually release the pool party skins alongside the event!!!!! Whaaat???

This is a global event! They should go out of their way to make damn sure everyone knows about it!

FluxBound2 votes

Pretty much all NA players got cheated because as mentioned by a Rioter, OcE server got Ocean Week, apparently much easier than this mountain climb. They got free stuff, and so will the other servers since we're the unlucky guinea pigs that they failed on

AshBlakeNeo2 votes

when is the pool party end? can anyone tell me about that please

Ale non è male2 votes

P.S. I just noticed that NA community organization was FAR FAR worse than EUW and EUNE one in this aspect. In EU forum there was these two threads made by a Wrenchman, Eambo, that explained clearly how to join chats for getting points

This is the thread for EUW (there is also one for EUNE who has more or less the same info, it is redundant to link both)

http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment-en/Fjf25Eho-euw-pool-party-recruitment-thread-and-chat-room

If you go on NA Team Recruitment forum you don't find a well explained thread on how to find people to play together. Heck, you don't find anything there of any help. I suspect that if someone will give us information about how the various regions were contributing by collecting points during the entire initiative, NA will end up being one of the worst regions involved in points collected/number of players active on the server/number of games played during the week ratio because NA community did not receive any help on how to organize theirselves to get premade teams and collect points

Lumilifalor2 votes

well.. its possible we might hit like tier 5. its possible by far if we do. problem comes down to pfathers day. come on rito.

JimmyNtheKudos2 votes

From the moment I saw how points were earned I pretty much had the same thought

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