When is Graves' "time in the sun" over?

PapaGreg21·Mar 11, 2017·89 votes·3,747 views

It's been like a year now.

62 Comments

GigglesOMar 11, 201723 votes

Lee still pretty popular...

MelledoneusMar 11, 20173 votes

He's been there so long we forgot he's there.

Captain AishiMar 11, 20179 votes

LeeSin ona is the sun, thus the expression 'time under the sun' for other popular junglers

Nobody1111Mar 11, 201741 votes

Lee IS the sun apparently.

DessemMar 11, 20178 votes

Every jungler is defined by "What can they do that Lee can't?"

I'd rather Lee Sin be the top pick than Ivern or Shaco, though. We could do worse.

DJMason88Mar 11, 20171 votes

Ivern is pretty good if you already have high damage and a tank.

metalhydra273Mar 12, 20171 votes

^ this Lee Sun to this man I couldn't help myself

Demens AstrumMar 11, 20174 votes

Lee is popular because he is interesting to play. He is hard to master, and don't you dare tell me that Lee is not that hard to play, but if you do, try to give us replay of you playing him in ranked games.

Rengar Top LaneMar 11, 20178 votes

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Lee is popular because he is interesting to play. He is hard to master, and don't you dare tell me that Lee is not that hard to play, but if you do, try to give us replay of you playing him in ranked games.

Feel anyone can do basics with lee with a few games in terms of just lane pressure and non-flashy ults.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 11, 201723 votes

hasn't ahri time in the sun been like 5 seasons? Elise has been in the sun for 3 seasons. thresh has been inside the sun since his release. why do we pick and choose?

NineTailedMysticMar 11, 20176 votes

Ahri hasn't been "in the sun" since 5.2. Since then she's always been in the shade, just out of the sun.

Always A tier, never S.

Edit: You people are always so salty when it comes to this shit.

ThefrostyvikingMar 11, 20177 votes

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Ahri hasn't been "in the sun" since 5.2. Since then she's always been in the shade, just out of the sun.

Always A tier, never S.

Which is kinda amazing in a few senses.

It clearly takes a really unusual champion to remain so constant for who knows how long.

Now that i think about it, hasn't she been viable since release with only a few metas being kinda difficult but not impossible?

NineTailedMysticMar 11, 20171 votes

tbh I think its a testament to how well she's designed overall. Usually when she's S tier, it's because of indirect buffs.

Ionian VulpixMar 11, 20172 votes

She seems to be the Mario of League. Very all around, Jack of all trades character.

ThefrostyvikingMar 12, 20171 votes

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tbh I think its a testament to how well she's designed overall. Usually when she's S tier, it's because of indirect buffs.

Or just because some of her worse matchups got nerfed or because the meta favours squishy characters x)

NineTailedMysticMar 12, 20172 votes

...AKA indirect buffs.

ThefrostyvikingMar 12, 20171 votes

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...AKA indirect buffs.

Well......a matter of perception, i simply do not like viewing some champs getting nerfed as others getting buffed^^

Indirect buffs in my mind are mainly related to items or simply stats, a longer shot would be the champions played in general AKA the meta.

ØrdealMar 11, 201712 votes

I don't find ahri annoying. In fact shes balanced with a really fun kit. I don't play her but i think more champions should be balanced like she is, she don't burst people like annie but isnt too weak to get the job done.

MelledoneusMar 11, 201711 votes

Ahri has been a staple pick, and a relatively safe one, since release. Her design is practical and leaves very few weaknesses.

Elise has pretty much lots of tools, making her effective.

Thresh is the Lee Sin of supports.

I dont know why the fuck I just typed this, but there it is I guess.

ProzzakMar 11, 20173 votes

Since release? No. Since mid season 3? Yes.

BakedLotionMar 11, 20173 votes

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hasn't ahri time in the sun been like 5 seasons? Elise has been in the sun for 3 seasons. thresh has been inside the sun since his release. why do we pick and choose?

because none of the champs you listed are permaban worthy while graves is

Troll for TrumpMar 11, 20173 votes

Darius is always in the sun

AirKingNeoMar 11, 20173 votes

No he isn't, he was nerfed a few patches ago for no reason.

3TWarriorMar 11, 20171 votes

woops, he meant Leona

SaltyKrackaMar 12, 20171 votes

And then he came back because lol it's fucking Darius he's always broken.

AirKingNeoMar 12, 20171 votes

Broken but not thriving in a tank meta whereas he's a tank counter.

SaltyKrackaMar 12, 20171 votes

it's not a tank meta tho.

AirKingNeoMar 12, 20171 votes

Well let me see. ADCs can't hurt top laners until 3-4 items. Maokai and Naut are extremely meta. Fiora is viability competitively.

Sounds like a tank meta in top lane.

QuickenedBladeMar 11, 201714 votes

the ranged assassin tank jungler

unbalancable without gutting

revert autistic rework

Darth SidioussMar 11, 201711 votes

"Take a mans cigar and the let the sun shine on him."

-- Riot

Praise the sun

Only Play DariusMar 11, 20177 votes

Once they finally remove the one ability that makes him function so much better than his competition (the knockback on jg creeps). After which he will join Khazix Elise Olaf and lie in the gutter for a year or two

BisaknospMar 11, 201717 votes

none of these champs are bad right now wtf

Only Play DariusMar 11, 20176 votes

No but had nerfs stacked on them before the real problem was addressed and therefore were left in an embarrassing state for a good while. The earlier they stop balancing Graves around his ability to permanently kite jungle camps the better.

BisaknospMar 11, 20172 votes

with that i agree completely god i remember when elise was gutted haha picking her was almost trolling

KingKong2350Mar 12, 20172 votes

I had a 70% win rate with her during that time :(

Masala ChaiMar 11, 20178 votes

They were among the weakest champions in League during their low points. Hence why you get the term Olaf'd or Elise memes about being as under picked as Galio.

DessemMar 11, 20176 votes

Absolutely. If Twitch can jungle without knockback, so cam Graves.

GayFluffyUnicornMar 11, 20177 votes

Swain now has 100% WR in the EU LCS. Got picked by betsy, triple kill and nice KDA prepare for: Swain had his time in the spotlight and "closening the gap between regular and pro play"-nerfs.

Edit: He even won lane against Syndra and rito be like: We know you want to win lane against Syndra but riot doesn't want you to win lane against Syndra.

3TWarriorMar 11, 20171 votes

lol, I keep posting about how he was nerfed when the marksmen update hit live because he was a direct counter to all of the annoying playstyles that were abusing the former keystones XD

the bigger problem now is that swain's ultimate will make him impossible to balance without ridiculous number tweaks

404 TerrorMar 11, 20173 votes

I agree, he counters every assassin and can be the tank you need (as well as the damage!) at any given time. Oh, and he's ranged? Cool story.....

Hexs FortuneMar 11, 20173 votes

He still loses to Lee Sin

YalathanilMar 11, 20173 votes

Graves "It's high noon"

The great LeeSin of the rift shines his glory on Graves . His item 3094 glows a beautiful golden color as he instantly bursts down town enemy scum in meme nanoseconds.

Graves "How did I do, oh great one?"

LeeSin "Outstanding for a mere jungle mortal as yourself."

p.s. "meme nanoseconds" was not intentional, but I think I will leave it.

Lord GalvatronMar 11, 20172 votes

When he gets reworked in season 9.

Lovelle IIMar 12, 20171 votes

When dead men stop walking.

COBRA C0MM4NDERMar 12, 20171 votes

when Leona kicks his ass to the curb for the bum he is.

that's when his 'time in the sun' is over

yes, I went there...so did Graves.

Torterra62Mar 12, 20171 votes

this post was about graves but it got sidetracked to lee sin

GoatfishMar 12, 20171 votes

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PapaGreg21Mar 12, 20171 votes

Lee Sin stinks late game. Graves has a good early mid and late game. At least if Lee is doing well I know we just have to stall the game out. If Graves gets ahead he continues to be a monster.