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varus "buffs"

khorney··2 votes·1,923 views

When Varus has been successful in the past, it’s been by building raw attack damage and armor penetration items, rather than marksman crit builds. We want to support Varus as both a caster and a traditional marksman, so we’re making the basic-attack scaling on his passive more appropriate in the late game. Passive - Living Vengeance NEWBONUS ATTACK SPEED RATIO +50% bonus attack speed on champion kill/assist (halved for minion/monster kills) DURATION 6 seconds for champion proc, 3 seconds for minion/monster proc ⇒ 5 seconds in both cases

umm this does nothing to help him.....who cares about his stupid passive and you cant do the caster build anymore because of the nerf in lethlity and items containing it. with the nerf in fervor the only viable keystone for him.....decided to change it and with that he is essentially weak. i would rather have a permanent 20% attack speed bonus rather then a temp 50% attack speed bonus.... most people on varus will build close to 2.0 attack speed so therefore his passive is useless and his passive is liek the worst in the game hands down. People will argue or downvote me so what eves, saying that he has poke.... you know who also has poke ez and his poke out damages varus poke by a huge margin. i can think of a dozen ways to improve him but people will say he is op when he isnt....

29 Comments

Hayaishi22 votes

That buff is pathetic, look at how hard Riot buffs Vayne, compare that to Varus' so called "buff"

Favoritism at is finest.

Abyssphere2 votes

They nerf Vayne quite a bit harder than Varus, on the other hand.

khorney1 votes

umm they dont... who cares about a little loss in her q? you really want to nerf her raise the cdr on her q or lower the damaeg on silver bolts.... silver bolts is what vayne cares about not her q.

Abyssphere2 votes

Lol. If Vayne didn't care about her Q then she wouldn't be building crit right now but ... she is.

But have fun being depressed about Varus I guess.

khorney1 votes

i will have fun lol. here is vayne is a nut shell, ive played agasint many vaynes and all they had was blade , static pd, and rapid , and we got raped badly. silver bolts does the same amount of damage regardless of how much ad u have

Sightless662 votes

The buff to her Q was a large part of what made her so strong to begin with. She went from being one of the weakest ad carries for most of season 6 to one of the stronger ones in large part because of the Q damage buff. Reverting it is likely to have a significant impact on her power.

khorney1 votes

lol ikr i complain non stop and write it and people are like he is fine.... umm i have hundreds of games on him and you have liek 10 games on him lol. not you but in general. His on hit hybrid build as i call it was and is hsi strongest build by far and with the nerf in fervor it made it weaker and with the nerf in lethality you cant do the caster build anymore. who cares and a crap passive turning into a polished crap bandaid lol. Its not a buff at all, even if i made a crit build which i do not do becuase its weak on him, he has no escape no self peels, no attack speed steroid, his poke isnt good as people say it is.... so what does he have? i would reach 2.0 plus attack speed anyway and even more with on hit so what does this do for crit builld ? nothing absolutly nothing

Dark Nephthys1 votes

The Varus buff is more then you give it credit for. Getting 50% of your Bonus Attack speed on champion kill (or 25% of your bonus on minion) is still a pretty decent size buff. Even if the only attack speed that Varus usually builds is item 3085 item 3006 + 5% from Mastery that is still pretty useful. You still get the 40%/20% flat attack speed on champion/minion kill on top of this extra bonus.

So with those 2 items + mastery you would have 80% bonus attack speed so killing a minion will give you 40% attack speed or killing a champion will give you 80% attack speed for 5 seconds. That's not including any runes you might have or if his attack speed per level counts with his passive or not.

Would this make him top tier? Probably not but it will put him a bit higher and will feel a little more useful. Right now he isn't very good in this meta but it might put him a bit higher on the list now and will probably see a little bit more play.

khorney1 votes

umm i reached 2.0 attack speed with out the passive so i dont knwo what your talking about and its a useless buff if you want to call it a buff who the fck cares about a temp attack speed. he hands down has the worse passive in the game. if thats the onyl attack speed your building your buiulding him wrong for sure. He doesnt have anything good going for him in fact the only real thing he has over every other adc was his on hit hybrid damage which only kog could keep up with the damage, you know how satisfying it was to delete most champs off just your ult. reachign 300 ad and ap is what makes him strong. no his poke isnt that awesoem why single target crap hit box high mana cost high cdr, slow as fck no self peel so escape. the damage reduction on his q kills him meanwhile tf who can hit multple people wiht his q and has no damage reduction is allowed ot happen? i can name many champs who have what people will say is what varus has over them

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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umm i reached 2.0 attack speed with out the passive so i dont knwo what your talking about and its a useless buff if you want to call it a buff who the fck cares about a temp attack speed. he hands down has the worse passive in the game. if thats the onyl attack speed your building your buiulding him wrong for sure. He doesnt have anything good going for him in fact the only real thing he has over every other adc was his on hit hybrid damage which only kog could keep up with the damage, you know how satisfying it was to delete most champs off just your ult. reachign 300 ad and ap is what makes him strong. no his poke isnt that awesoem why single target crap hit box high mana cost high cdr, slow as fck no self peel so escape. the damage reduction on his q kills him meanwhile tf who can hit multple people wiht his q and has no damage reduction is allowed ot happen? i can name many champs who have what people will say is what varus has over them

If you are reaching that high of a attack speed without his passive then you are building to much attack speed. I'm not building him wrong, I'm just building Crit like a normal ADC. item 3508 item 3085 item 3031 item 3072 item 3036 item 3006. Also most common and highest win rate builds for Varus the only attack speed item they ever buy is item 3085 and some times item 3006 and this is for both ADC and Mid lane so I'm obviously not building him wrong if it's generally what everyone else builds.

With this buff you can drop one of your attack speed items for an actual damage item now and you should still reach around the same amount so this buff will even help you there. Also Varus does not have the worst passive, I think Lissandra has a far worse passive.

The high mana cost is easily countered by buying item 3508 and with 30-40% CDR your Q is basically on almost a no CD and the poke is great if you know how to aim it and can avoid the minions. No self peel/escape sure I guess but with his ult he still better then MissFortune and its much more reliable then Ashe Jinx Draven and possibly even Jhin at getting away.

khorney1 votes

the champs you have named have self peels or movement speed increase.. having 10%in runes alone plus the 4% in mastery plus runaans boots and either rapid fire or blade of the ruined king. lord dom ie and essence reaver. that build doesnt make him unique nor awesome its just there.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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the champs you have named have self peels or movement speed increase.. having 10%in runes alone plus the 4% in mastery plus runaans boots and either rapid fire or blade of the ruined king. lord dom ie and essence reaver. that build doesnt make him unique nor awesome its just there.

Now you could drop botrk/rapid fire and get another AD item so your Q would do more damage. Also you mention he has no poke and his Q is weak, it's not weak and his Q is really strong. Are you rushing 2 attack speed items first? Because if that was the case then that explains why you feel his Q is weak. Should always get 1 AD item first usually between Essence Reaver or IE though I feel ER is better first item.

I'm not saying they don't have anything to help themself escape..Only saying that Varus has more self peel then them. Yes they have a slow or a speed up but Varus just has more self peel with his own slow and a 2 second snare.

Jinx has a slow and her chompers both of which have a delay and is easy to dodge when chasing her and the only real way to escape from some one would be to get a kill/assist but that is not useful in all situations like if some one jumps on you 1v1. Ashe has slows and her stun but point blank arrow is a very short stun so if you are chased by some one who has dashes then you are screwed. MF only offers a slow and her movement speed which stops after getting hit 1 time.

Draven does have a little more reliable escape then some of the others being his stand aside and a movement speed but still weaker then Varus. Jhin has a movement speed increase, slow and a root so he might have a better self peel than Varus though.

khorney1 votes

ez poke trumps varus poke as peopel say varus poke is supposedly better. the piercing damage reduction makes it weak. i dotn rely on his q, i max w first becuase it makes his aa better. his slow isnt good the aoe is lame and the movement speed is not that aweomes. look at ashe she is essentially a better version of varus. draven is hands down and i do not care who states other wise the strongest adc in the game. self peel self atatck speed steroid global ult. varus ult only really effects 1 person.hyrbrid damage is the only way to use him its the only thing that he truly has over every adc int eh game. im mad becuase he is the onyl adc i use and this buff isnt a buff at all its a bandaid a crap brand bandaid at that. they took his caster build away, his on hit hybrid build that i do is weaker becuase of fervor. He truly is the weakest adc in the game the strong points people make have no idea what there saying. Hell if it wasnt for tfs aa range not being that good his ratios are better then most adcs. varus is not in a good spot right now and the "buff" they did for him is nothign and does nothign for him as they had stated in there article

Nick Da Chip1 votes

That's your problem man. Maxing W first doesn't make any sense unless your lanneing against someone stacking armor and health.

khorney1 votes

u out damage the q and it cost 0 mana

Nick Da Chip1 votes

Woah ok ok.

Lets think about this for a moment.

At rank 1 a fully charged Q is gonna do around 100 Damage. (Assuming max damage with the 160% of AD)

At rank 1 his auto's from W will do an extra 10 damage.

So around 10 basic attacks to match what a Q will do.

Popping these will do 2% of the champs health, so lets say around 12 for each blight, max 36.

At rank 2 a full charged Q is gonna do around 150. (Assuming Max damage with the 160% of AD)

At rank 2 his W will add 14 damage to his basic attacks, so again around 10 autos.

at 2.75% of the enemies max health it won't be doing much more when you pop his blight.

so on and so forth, you get the idea. I find it hard to believe his W will be doing more than his Q will, never mind the fact that maxing his Q is super useful for farming and widdling down your lane opponents health, which is very important for whichever style you want to play him as.

W would be more useful if you were going against someone like Nasus, but the majority of the time there is no way his W will be doing more damage then Q. It also seems like from what you are telling me you are buying AD before AP, which makes it even more ridiculous to max W first.

khorney1 votes

young padawan, ur q has how much cdr at lvl 1 how many basics can u do durign that time.

Nick Da Chip1 votes

A 16 sec CD, though I really doubt the enemy laner is gonna let you sit there and BA them for 16 seconds. Pretty much any other champ will be able to out damage you.

khorney1 votes

happens all the time

Nick Da Chip1 votes

Even if it does happen, which it usually won't, you are still doing more damage with your Q plus autos then you will be able to from just W autos.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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young padawan, ur q has how much cdr at lvl 1 how many basics can u do durign that time.

You aren't even procing your stacks all that much with maxing your W first. With your Q and E being 16-18 second CD, you'll auto attack some one 3 times and then Q them, then 3 autos and E them...Sure when you proc those stacks it'll do more since you are maxing your W but then you would have to wait another 10+ seconds to even be able to use another ability to reapply those stacks.

Maxing Q will bring the CD down to 8 seconds, meaning you will have enough time to hit 3 times and then Q and then once you reapply it again and E, your Q should be off CD by then. Maxing W just looks like you are forcing yourself to have a very bad early game for no reason when Varus actually has a pretty good early game. You are creating a weakness out of one of his strengths.

B0tlaneFedGG1 votes

Second he said he maxed w you should have left the conversation because hes clearly in an elo where which his opinion on game balance is irrelevant because he probably thinks mundo is over powered right now.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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ez poke trumps varus poke as peopel say varus poke is supposedly better. the piercing damage reduction makes it weak. i dotn rely on his q, i max w first becuase it makes his aa better. his slow isnt good the aoe is lame and the movement speed is not that aweomes. look at ashe she is essentially a better version of varus. draven is hands down and i do not care who states other wise the strongest adc in the game. self peel self atatck speed steroid global ult. varus ult only really effects 1 person.hyrbrid damage is the only way to use him its the only thing that he truly has over every adc int eh game. im mad becuase he is the onyl adc i use and this buff isnt a buff at all its a bandaid a crap brand bandaid at that. they took his caster build away, his on hit hybrid build that i do is weaker becuase of fervor. He truly is the weakest adc in the game the strong points people make have no idea what there saying. Hell if it wasnt for tfs aa range not being that good his ratios are better then most adcs. varus is not in a good spot right now and the "buff" they did for him is nothign and does nothign for him as they had stated in there article

Ezreal's Q is not stronger then Varus Q is, in fact it's no where near Varus's Q:

Ezreal Q: 115 + (110% AD) + (40% AP) Varus Q: 235 + (160% AD)

Even with the damage reduction it's still good overall since it does damage to more then 1 person while Ezreal Q only hits 1 person. If you are not maxing Q then its obvious why you dont feel its doing a lot of damage. Always max Q first, unless you were playing Full AP Varus then W would be better. You also don't build any heavy AD item, the highest AD you buy is 50 so that's also a huge reason why your Q is not feeling like it's doing a lot of damage.

You keep saying Ezreal Q does more damage then Varus's Q, do you play Ezreal and max his Q and build Heavy AD items? Because if you are comparing a rank 5 Q from a heavy AD build Ezreal to a rank 1 Varus Q from a Attack speed hybrid build...If that was the case, then a rank 5 full AP W from Janna would do more than Varus Q in that regard...

Varus slow is not as strong as MF I'll admit but it's still a decent slow that gives Grievous Wounds which only a few champions has, so its not terrible it's just how you use it. Also if your Varus ult is only effecting 1 person then you aren't using it at the right time...because it's easy enough to get it to work on at least 3 people, sure I'll admit that getting it to hit the whole team is hard but its really easy to hit a few people with it...Even if you only hit 1 person, it's still a 2 second root that is strong enough to either try to kill them or escape.

Hybrid damage is not what he has over the ADC and in fact he isn't even the best one for it. I personally don't like Hybrid Varus...I feel it's either AP/Attack speed, Crit Varus, or Armor Pen (well..whats left of it). You want to play a really good Hybrid ADC, then play Corki he is much better at it.

Varus is not the worst ADC in the game, hes at a decent spot right now. Yes he could use more buffs even after the ones hes getting but he is not that far off. You want to know the weaker ADCs? Kalista KogMaw and some may say Lucian but I feel his normal ADC build is still alright. And while Varus isn't my "main" ADC he is my 3rd most played ADC and my other 2 best being Tristana Corki and I'd even say that Varus is in a better state then Tristana though that is probably my personal opinion in that one.

khorney1 votes

trist has escapes and a better attack speed and longer range.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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trist has escapes and a better attack speed and longer range.

I wasn't comparing Tristana to Varus, I was just saying that she was one of my other ADC mains and she is also in a semi-bad state but tbh Varus does offer more in a team fight with much more reliable AoE damage + an AoE lock down with his ult and more sustained damage, while Tristana is great at taking towers, 1v1 fights and self peel.

Nick Da Chip1 votes

You keep making all these "Varus Buff sucks" threads but all the Varus mains that post in them all generally agree it's a pretty decent buff at the very least.

It's not a great buff mind you, but Varus doesn't really need a great buff. It's a buff that will give him a little more edge during laning and teamfights. It's not the end all to beat all fix for Varus and he could use a few more tweaks (Mostly to his E) but it's still rather exciting and I can't wait to try it out.

khorney1 votes

he does and ill tell you why once again, the nerf in fervor made his strongest build which was hybrid on hit as i call it weaker becuase your losing the precious on hit damage from it. The nerf in lehtlity made hsi caster build useless and void now becuase what do you take thinderlords to gain the extra lethlity or deathfire which was your supposed to take, but with item changes its useless. yes why not increase the size of his e the same way iceborn increase in size with armor? nope peopel will say that makes him to strong....... anything done to him people will say he is to op, lose the damage reduction on his q would be good to but nope to strong people will say, switch his w and passive around to make his w a active attack speed nope people will say to op, increase the ratio on his q nope to strong, increase the damage on his ult the way it used to be nope to strong, increase the ap ratio on his w, which would be the best thing nope to strong

B0tlaneFedGG1 votes

This guy maxes w and builds no ad on a champ who only scales with ad..... im baffled as to why anyone even responds to this thread

khorney1 votes

yes ult scales 100% ap and w is like 40% ap, works like vayne minus its stronger, but hey keep discrediting somehting you do not understand

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