i've been maining her top and holy shit, she is ludicrously strong, no melee champion can even get close to me when i use her except teemo & gnar (mostly gnar) are the only champions that can do something to me (well that i've seen). not to mention my aoe stun, followed by my aoe stun/slow ult gives me very good team fighting potential. i haven't seen one in so long
Drunk Rummate1 votesI play Jayce, Quinn, and Nidalee top and I typically do very well against Lissandra.
Random Task1 votesBecause she's too easy to stomp on
Hoi Im Temmo1 votesHmm. Not sure how to answer this one - without knowing your elo, i can only guess.
But at least at my level (not very high up) I have never had a liss top that won lane. She goes against either a bruiser or tank, and does no damage, or gets burst every fight. Just what I have seen.
Rustling Bush1 votesHmm. Not sure how to answer this one - without knowing your elo, i can only guess.
But at least at my level (not very high up) I have never had a liss top that won lane. She goes against either a bruiser or tank, and does no damage, or gets burst every fight. Just what I have seen.
i don't play lissandra aggressively in lane, well not atleast until i get catalyst and roa. sure her damage can be supar but the trade of being that she has so much cc and a very strong escape tool, no melee champion since i started getting decent with her has been able to do anything to me. my job is not to tank but rather ult the carry and cc them into oblivion while the rest clean up the mess, also she gets bursted only if she doesn't have roa, with roa you can take a few hits, and i cap cdr on her to get 40 second ult's and 2 second q's and its really useful.
Drunk Rummate1 votesHmm. Not sure how to answer this one - without knowing your elo, i can only guess.
But at least at my level (not very high up) I have never had a liss top that won lane. She goes against either a bruiser or tank, and does no damage, or gets burst every fight. Just what I have seen.
i don't play lissandra aggressively in lane, well not atleast until i get catalyst and roa. sure her damage can be supar but the trade of being that she has so much cc and a very strong escape tool, no melee champion since i started getting decent with her has been able to do anything to me. my job is not to tank but rather ult the carry and cc them into oblivion while the rest clean up the mess, also she gets bursted only if she doesn't have roa, with roa you can take a few hits, and i cap cdr on her to get 40 second ult's and 2 second q's and its really useful.
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what items are you building after a roa to cap CDR? you would hardly even do damage with a build like roa->athenes->ionians. you can't hit through any reasonable amount of magic resist with that build, and i can guarantee you that a smart top laner will immediately build some MR against a liss top.
Rustling Bush1 votesHmm. Not sure how to answer this one - without knowing your elo, i can only guess.
But at least at my level (not very high up) I have never had a liss top that won lane. She goes against either a bruiser or tank, and does no damage, or gets burst every fight. Just what I have seen.
i don't play lissandra aggressively in lane, well not atleast until i get catalyst and roa. sure her damage can be supar but the trade of being that she has so much cc and a very strong escape tool, no melee champion since i started getting decent with her has been able to do anything to me. my job is not to tank but rather ult the carry and cc them into oblivion while the rest clean up the mess, also she gets bursted only if she doesn't have roa, with roa you can take a few hits, and i cap cdr on her to get 40 second ult's and 2 second q's and its really useful.
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what items are you building after a roa to cap CDR? you would hardly even do damage with a build like roa->athenes->ionians. you can't hit through any reasonable amount of magic resist with that build, and i can guarantee you that a smart top laner will immediately build some MR against a liss top.
flask & 3 hp pots -> Roa -> athene (20% cdr and mana regen) -> sorc boots -> morm (20% cdr and mana regen) -> zhonas -> rabadon i'm not hear to win lane, if i do get the upper hand then lucky me, but undoubtly the top laner is going to lose out on a lot of damage just trying to counter me specifically if they start stacking mmr, once i get roa i can just farm very easily and even more so with athene. but it usually results in the lane being frozen until the laning phase is over or me just winning from pushing there turrets back so far.
Drunk Rummate1 votesflask & 3 hp pots -> Roa -> athene (20% cdr and mana regen) -> sorc boots -> morm (20% cdr and mana regen) -> zhonas -> rabadon i'm not hear to win lane, if i do get the upper hand then lucky me, but undoubtly the top laner is going to lose out on a lot of damage just trying to counter me specifically if they start stacking mmr, once i get roa i can just farm very easily and even more so with athene. but it usually results in the lane being frozen until the laning phase is over or me just winning from pushing there turrets back so far.
So what happens when you both recall and they come back with a negatron and 2 longswords vs. your flask and catalyst?
You say you arent trying to win lane, that's fine if you scale super well, but without a void staff you aren't going to outscale someone who builds a spirit visage and merc treads. Especially if your items at the time are RoA, Athene, Morellonomicon as opposed to Athene, Zhonyas, Void.
I'm not trying to knock you down and say lissandra top isn't possible. It may be good for all i know, I've certainly seen my fair share of them. I'm just questioning the build path. I play a lot of top lane and I rarely lose to AP tops when I just get a fast negatron. If I'm winning lane it means I can bully their jungler, take a fast tower, teleport in for dragons, etc. And I don't have to play a lane bully to do that either if my opponent is intentionally gimping their early game with a catalyst.
EX: If I pick rumble and rush an abyssal scepter, you're going to lose to me in lane and get outscaled heavily in teamfights as well.
Rustling Bush1 votesflask & 3 hp pots -> Roa -> athene (20% cdr and mana regen) -> sorc boots -> morm (20% cdr and mana regen) -> zhonas -> rabadon i'm not hear to win lane, if i do get the upper hand then lucky me, but undoubtly the top laner is going to lose out on a lot of damage just trying to counter me specifically if they start stacking mr, once i get roa i can just farm very easily and even more so with athene. but it usually results in the lane being frozen until the laning phase is over or me just winning from pushing there turrets back so far.
So what happens when you both recall and they come back with a negatron and 2 longswords vs. your flask and catalyst?
You say you arent trying to win lane, that's fine if you scale super well, but without a void staff you aren't going to outscale someone who builds a spirit visage and merc treads. Especially if your items at the time are RoA, Athene, Morellonomicon as opposed to Athene, Zhonyas, Void.
I'm not trying to knock you down and say lissandra top isn't possible. It may be good for all i know, I've certainly seen my fair share of them. I'm just questioning the build path. I play a lot of top lane and I rarely lose to AP tops when I just get a fast negatron. If I'm winning lane it means I can bully their jungler, take a fast tower, teleport in for dragons, etc. And I don't have to play a lane bully to do that either if my opponent is intentionally gimping their early game with a catalyst.
EX: If I pick rumble and rush an abyssal scepter, you're going to lose to me in lane and get outscaled heavily in teamfights as well.
i rather perfer utility and csing over just raw dmg, i know i can out cs a rumble (but not kill) early game with cata and maybe a grail, when i get those 2 items i can nearly spam my q with a 4 second cd and clean lane. your going to have to stand outside of your minons where you can't get to mines if you wanna avoid my poke, this is also how i kite/poke someone until they leave lane early on, and by the time you do get that magic resist i'll have enough cdr and mana regen to push lane faster then you can because you lost out on damage, and even if i lose lane, i'm going to be useful for stopping the carry who can 1-shot everyone and leave my team to clean up rumble.
ZeroAnarchy1 votesWukong can destroy her since he has a gap closer and she is really squishy. Or anyone with a gap closer.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesI have done this as well, it's fun but not too viable against a competent laning opponent. She's vulnerable to smart trading and low cooldown gap closers.
Have you ever tries Cass top? After the rework it's tricky, but if you can keep the kiting up then she can really do well there.
Marthian1 votesI use her top every once in awhile.