So uh... smurf detections brutal and its compleatly wasteing my intent to show support impact.

Kai Guy·Oct 4, 2019·2 votes·1,892 views

Trying to show that Supports influence wins and are a viable class to climb in lower Elo.https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5O8HxP41-can-supports-climb-lower-elo-s9-time-to-test-it?comment=00060000 Issue is I cant force the MMR on my alt when I am playing to win. I don't see any way to get lower MMR with out intentionally sandbagging games or duoing with some one in low bronze. I am not willing to ruin other players games just to prove a point.... Should I abuse Duoing and que with some B4 players to sink match MMR down?

23 Comments

iMidg3tOct 4, 20192 votes

No matter what you do, youre still playing in an elo below your skill lvl The only way to prove oyur point is to play supp on your main and climb.

Even if you tried to tank your MMR, its hard.

Kai GuyOct 4, 20191 votes

If that worked then I wouldn't have had to take the time to grind a fresh account to 30. My Experience is tossed at my face with "What your saying is wrong because your not my MMR so you don't know what its like and its impossible to climb w supports low MMR Kai"

Pointing to Years of experience or the fact I did climb as a support main thru lower MMR just gets "not the current season dumbass!"

iMidg3tOct 5, 20191 votes

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If that worked then I wouldn't have had to take the time to grind a fresh account to 30. My Experience is tossed at my face with "What your saying is wrong because your not my MMR so you don't know what its like and its impossible to climb w supports low MMR Kai"

I mean, youre gold 1, its not VERY low MMR but its still low. And considering the fact you would be matched with "plat 4 gatekeepers" and boosted players, you should have a harder time than mid silver/gold players.

Smurfing will just make your point invalid imo.

Pointing to Years of experience or the fact I did climb as a support main thru lower MMR just gets "not the current season dumbass!"

Talking from the personal experience, it's true.

Since op.gg has issues with tracking players who transfered the data may not be as accurate but its more or less on point https://eune.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=Midg3t

This is my main (the acc im typing this from)

And this are my stats from season 7 http://prntscr.com/pf277d From silver 5 to gold 5, almost all soloQ (played maybe 10 duo games at best)... pretty impressive stats considering this was my 1st time climbing that high

Now lets look at season 8 stats http://prntscr.com/pf28gj Waaay worse than last season, silghtly lower than 50% wr but still managed to hit gold, with even more LP.

And finally, season 9 http://prntscr.com/pf28sg Dogshit winrate with not a single positive wr on a single champion. Keep in mind ik how to play all of them. Why is that? Maybe sudden change of my champ pool? Might be, if I didnt know how to play them. But I do, so that cant be the reason.

Maybe gold 4 is just my peak? That might be the case. Except.... its not.

Remember when I said op.gg has issues with tracking transfers? It actually tracks them as 2 different accounts. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=iMidg3t This are my stats on EUW http://prntscr.com/pf29uv

Silver fucking 2 with negative winrate and slightly better champ stats.

So how is it possible that a support main can play like a borderline smurf on his own in season 7, take a massive dip in performance in the next season, and now in this season shat himself to the point where hes now hardstuck silver despite playing meta champs?

Because supports in this season have little to no agency and thus, cant climb on their own. Hell, I'm playing both solo and duo, and even then I cant do much if other lanes shit their pants. So ye, if i cant climb with meta champ, honestly dude, gl if u wanna play fucking lulu on main, youll need it.

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

I mean.... https://prnt.sc/pf28sg

S7 G5 low LP. S8 G5. Higher LP. S9. G4. Low LP. Why exactly is it shocking your doing worse when your not playing your mains anymore? Stats dipping down from a season you climbed Into the next year when your soft reset closer to that benchmark is not surprising. Season 7 has stats from your climb. Season 8 your closer to your skill and flatlined faster and so you had less stomp time. This year your not even playing your main as you have some games ya did poorly and abandoned her for a FOTM Pyke pick. And apparently are investing your effort onto an Alt account.

What exactly is supposed to be weird about your history?

Transferring to a different server throws out Title Accuracy. Ques are built from the population Average level of skill and that's not inherently uniform by Server. MMR and ELO is mad to represent a % expectation and changes to reflect that. If the Average level of skill in a MMR is not at parity for a different server then expect vastly different results for a human transferring over.

I will probably have to abuse Duo to sink the match average down... Bummer but ill find some Folks in B4 who are down to play.

iMidg3tOct 5, 20191 votes

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Why exactly is it shocking your doing worse when your not playing your mains anymore? Stats dipping down from a season you climbed Into the next year when your soft reset closer to that benchmark is not surprising. Season 7 has stats from your climb. Season 8 your closer to your skill and flatlined faster and so you had less stomp time. This year your not even playing your main as you have some games ya did poorly and abandoned her for a FOTM pick.

If I continued playing karma I would do much worse since the champ is absolute dogshit rn. And like I said, ik how to play majority of supports I play rn. So me playing my "mains" or not is irrelevant. It would be even worse actually.

And apparently are investing your effort onto an Alt account.

I dont think you understood me Kai. Midg3t and iMidg3t ARE THE SAME ACCOUNT.

What exactly is supposed to be weird about your history?

In season 7 I was able to blast through the whole silver elo playing 1 champ that was good during the "ardent meta". But, at the time Karma was the weakest ardent user. Plus, playing Janna/Lulu/Soraka + Varus/Kog Maw was freelo, and a lot of people abused DuoQ for that reason. And despite all of that i still managed to climb. And now, 2 seasons after I'm hardstuck mid-silver. I didnt change my playstyle, and I'm even abusing meta picks.

So whats the explanation for that? Either I just somehow got WAY worse at the game, or support players cant climb.

I will probably have to abuse Duo to sink the match average down... Bummer but ill find some Folks in B4 who are down to play.

Which wont prove shit. Wow, a gold/plat smurf stomped silver trash. Never happened before lmao. It's like me taking my b4 alt acc, climb to silver and claim supp players can climb, forgetting the fact im playing against apes and that I'm getting 35 LP per win.

Get to plat 3 on your main palying support then you'll have a point.

KazekibaOct 4, 20191 votes

Simple strategy is to play an off meta role and build only components, avoid CSing to stifen your gold advantages and take undue risks, like diving without vision etc.

Then hit do your first placement and switch into tryhard mode support only dodge all non Support games

Kai GuyOct 4, 20191 votes

I abused the system to get the starting MMR at bronze 1 (remakes count as a loss if your the one who bails, they look to function like a dodged promotion and don't influence your accounts MMR going off match avrages im getting.)

It requires me to actually throw games to sink and I find playing to lose to be pretty toxic. I think ima have to find a Duo player whos well established as B4-B3 to lower the match average to low silver. The K factor and WE are batshit high values unless I intentionally Throw games.

Tr4shB4NSYST3MOct 4, 20191 votes

Id say duo w/ low bronze whos actually that skill level is your best bet. That said some of your silver teammates will hate it.

Kai GuyOct 4, 20191 votes

Got any one on your friends list who is B4-3

Tr4shB4NSYST3MOct 5, 20191 votes

I think one guy, but hes not on all that much.

Pandemic PunchOct 4, 20191 votes

Dodge a lot. Play on another account while the timer is going.

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

Dodging only drops LP. It wont impact MMR. Its one of the mathematical positive aspects of Riots LP system. Part of the reason I have this issue is I abused Remake to try and Force a lower Position from Placements. Worked like a charm, got placed bronze 1. But id did not bleed out MMR so instantly im still in S1-G4 MMR because I am not sandbagging losses.

preternaturalOct 5, 20191 votes

just afk all your placements

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

I used Remake for 3 of them to make it a loss. Did not impact the accounts MMR. Placed bronze and its skipping everything.

I'm not cool with intentionally throwing games. I don't mind playing something i'm bad at, or a role im bad at, but throwing a match just is not behavior I'm cool with.

I am Gonna try and find some B4 players who want to que to drop the match average down.

preternaturalOct 5, 20191 votes

lol you'll probably have to find some iron players to queue with.

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

Bronze 4 is lowest I can que with already. It skipped me out of bronze with no promo.

preternaturalOct 5, 20191 votes

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Bronze 4 is lowest I can que with already. It skipped me out of bronze with no promo.

never thought I would be trying to think of a real way to lose lp. um, maybe spam some yuumi, she'll have a hard time winning games in low elo before the real picks get brought out for the demonstration. unless you're just already a beast yuumi. in which case...iunno, try counterpicking yourself (?) play some support talon? support zoe, that should have a few losses in it. reksai (but she's too scared to unburrow around loud noises)

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

Losing LP is Easy. Dodge games. Losing MMR with out intentionally feeding is fucking difficult.

preternaturalOct 5, 20191 votes

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Losing LP is Easy. Dodge games. Losing MMR with out intentionally feeding is fucking difficult.

true. maybe you'll just have to afk matches after the remake timer has expired. it'll suck but this is for science, they'll understand.

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

Throwing games is a no go for me.

preternaturalOct 5, 20191 votes

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Throwing games is a no go for me.

i so desperately wanna make a meme here but sure, good on you not griefing the game even though you need data.

Kai GuyOct 5, 20191 votes

Worst case, I learn that Remakes don't impact MMR and that Riots Placement preview does not reflect your MMR range.

Pika FoxOct 5, 20191 votes

I really dont see a point in this. If you play support only, and are in gold, youve already proven support can climb to gold. Same for plat, diamond, etc.

Theres no need to do any of this fancy "tank mmr then do it".