Balance team is not fair

HP Crookshanks·Sep 21, 2018·15 votes·6,217 views

They obviously biased towards some champions while they hate some of them.

etc. are almost always strong and they immediately get buffed when they are weak and rarely gets nerfed or it takes too many patches to get them nerfed. They are always popular. If we didn't have a ban option we would almost never see any champions other than these.

etc. are almost always weak and/or outclassed by other champions. They never get love. Last year I heard that and will be changed/buffed but still no change nor buff for them (I know about the passive rework but it took too much time for them to realize that she doesn't have a passive). If it was one of the champions that I mentioned first (the biased ones) s/he would be buffed/changed in a few pathes.

Of course it's not possible to balance all champions equally but please be fair and let the other champions to be played.

13 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonSep 21, 20188 votes

Conveniently ignoring the times that all of the first list were bad, or why so many of the other list are kept bad.

Darius Was terrible this season until Conquerer existed. Months of being bad even in low ELO, where he's historically been strong. Graves Did this champion even exist for the first few months this season? Or for most of last season? Jhin Dude didn't even exist for the past year until Stormrazor became a thing. Khazix Been a lot of up and down. Vanished completely for the past couple months tho. LeeSin Completely ignoring the largest nerf he's gotten yet, where Riot removed one of his core items without compensation, are we? Lucian Dude didn't even exist this year until crit changes. Still don't see him much, too. Pyke Statistically still a bit weak. Also brand new. Hasn't had enough time for many changes yet. Rengar Dude. Even this guy vanished in my games. Legit I have no idea where the fuck he went. Went from being all I saw to being less common than Ryze. Talon What buffs, though? Vayne Vayne hasn't been useful at all this season. Even the buff she got still did nothing to make her be picked. Yasuo Wasn't the only buff he actually got this season done when he was at 42% winrate? Zed Dude hasn't been buffed this season, ignoring the compensation one.

(Also, for all assassins above, Domination nerfs are a thing).

And...The others:

Azir There's a reason Azir isn't allowed to be strong anywhere. He's oppressive as fuck in low tier and broken enough that even Flex Tape can't fix him in high tier whenever he's allowed to be viable. Kalista Same issues as Azir, but on an AD champion instead of an AP one. Karma Riot has no idea what the fuck to do with Karma right now. Along the same lines as Sona , Riot's having a hard time figuring out if she's a support or a mage. She has way too much damage and too little utility for a support, and too much utility and too little damage for a mage. She can do half your health with a Q, but that's it then. No more combo to kill you with, but half your health on a Q is too much for a support. Karma'll be good once Riot figures out what direction to take, and then reworks half her kit. Kennen Dude was busted as fuck last year. And still was this year, because E+R+Nimbus Cloak+Zhonya's means you're incapable of avoiding his ult no matter who you are. Kennen needs a VGU before he's allowed to be viable again, because there's legit no counterplay to him if he is viable. Lissandra Not quite sure why she's not good right now. Probably the same issues as Azir, but to a lesser extent: Oppressive in low-tier, too useful in coordinated play due to ult. As someone who actually does play Mordekaiser, please do not buff him. There is no buff that can fix Morde's problems without breaking him. He's too weak to kiting, but as soon as you reduce that weakness enough to make him useful, he'll be busted beyond belief. Just...Wait for his VGU. Nautilus Not quite sure where this guy went, or why he hasn't been touched, honestly. Sejuani Still too strong in high tier. Not even that she's low-tier oppressive, just high-tier (especially coordinated) strengths are too high. Teemo Generic oppressive champion who's historically been good for exactly two things: Pissing 9 people off at once because you picked Teemo, and making the game an effective 4v4, as you make both you and your opponent useless. Teemo needs to be left alone until his VGU comes around, and that's coming from a m6 Teemo. Volibear Statcheck with extremely little counterplay. You either can outrun him, or you can out-stat him in combat, or you die. He's a lot like Mordekaiser, where if you fix his issues he'll be busted as fuck. VGU is coming soon for a reason. Ziggs Ziggs is bad because...Well...He's not. 50.74% winrate is fine. If Riot wants to buff him much more, they'd need to revert W demolishing towers so that they can buff him in other ways. Or they could just buff turret resistances, which would buff Ziggs indirectly by letting his W demolish be a bit more useful.

ErrastasSep 21, 20181 votes

I love playing Teemo, but you’re right.. rarely does he ever fit into a team comp

DuskDaUmbreonSep 21, 20181 votes

Not only does he not fit into a comp in any way at all, his identity and niche is built around making one person useless in late-game at the cost of being nearly useless himself then, meaning he needs a VGU to actually give him a real identity in League.

HP CrookshanksSep 21, 20183 votes

What I meant to say is when item 3147 was strong (still strong) it got nerfed and all of it's users got compensation buffs immediately but when item 3003 was strong and got nerfed none of it's users got compensation buffs. (Except for Anivia and it took some patches for her to be buffed.)

I agree some champions I mentioned are not weak but they are outclassed. Why would someone pick Ziggs when s/he can pick Xerath ?

DuskDaUmbreonSep 21, 20181 votes

Because there's a huge difference between Duskblade changes and Archangel's changes.

The former was done because the champions were fine with Duskblade itself being too strong (and completely non-optional on any AD assassin), while the latter...was just honestly too strong. It was crowding out other options on champions that historically never went with it, while the nerfs to it, even without compensation, ended with very few overall winrate losses, except to Anivia, Ryze, and I think one other champion.

Picking Xerath over Ziggs is an entirely different issue. Outclassed by someone else of your class isn't the same thing as what you said. But, to answer your question, you'd pick Ziggs for better turret taking, better escapes, and because he's easier to play, with slightly better AoE and slightly worse single-target. The only reason Ziggs sees less play than Xerath is because turrets themselves are kinda bad right now, meaning his current niche of being really good at taking turrets is less relevant. Taking that away would let Riot give him a different niche, while buffing turrets defensive powers would buff his current niche by making it more important.

LTK KoRoSep 22, 20182 votes

I love you, im glad that reasonable people are fighting against the duskblade/ad assassins/"balance team favorises x champion" bias. Great arguments, keep it up.

Beatrice fallsSep 22, 20181 votes

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What I meant to say is when was strong (still strong) it got nerfed and all of it's users got compensation buffs immediately but when was strong and got nerfed none of it's users got compensation buffs. (Except for and it took some patches for her to be buffed.)

I agree some champions I mentioned are not weak but they are outclassed. Why would someone pick when s/he can pick ?

Oh funny that you're saying this about Ziggs and Xerath. I was literally thinking the same during an ARAM game, playing Ziggs against a Xerath. It's harder to dodge Xerath's Q and it actually deals more damage, his zoning with E is way stronger than Ziggs E, and his W is actually "weaker" than Ziggs E in term of utility, but deals crazy damage if combo'd with E (hitting the middle area). And also less mana management due to his passive. Even his ult is actually better, you can 100-0 someone just using it and has multiple charges (up to 5 at level 16).

So yeah Xerath might be an artillery mage, same as Ziggs, but he actually has near burst damage reached mid game, and can just stop caring about mana after getting Luden

RewtSep 21, 201812 votes

mastery 6 teemo

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Napoleon3Sep 22, 20181 votes

yes thats why we see darius kha zed season 6 7 and 8 at all the games because season 8 they started playing them not the whole those 3 seasons? the most of my games where with those champions and also the new champions who got released in my opinion your lying and riot team balance too they are not know how to balance the game thats why i stopped playing league for a while im just borend seying the same boring things and every game is going feed like hell games ends at 20 minits and my team is flaming and the most crazy thing is that i see those champions not only this season but after season 6 the most of games where with those champions guess why? you dont see a kayle? maybe because shes a weak champion? now you see how riot balance teams sucks and why i left this game at least old season 4 and 5 was great game with counterplay now is a mess with full of retarded new things who i hope gets deleted but riot will not delete those things because people are agring with new things like you but i dont care anyway in my games i got those champions everytime and i hate them personally. just saying that your wrong this time bro.

Napoleon3Sep 22, 20181 votes

and seriously vayne zed darius? they where picked all those last 3 seasons season 6 7 and 8 and they where so strong and haited by people and vayne is overpowered but when i play her i got a suport who is zero in my team and saying vayne is weak? you just need a good suport but im never lucky and also people thinks is weak because theyre playing wrong i play her with max w botrk first item and press the atack sorcery gathering storm and 24 ad adaptive shes so strong right now specially is you rush 2nd item rageblade so we dont care if people are playing her wrong on not playing shes still unbalanced and unfair champion to play against and got buffed so much riot cant be serious as i can see.

Succubús GFSep 22, 20181 votes

I have to disagree with all of these. Talon khazix and rengar were all strong for most of the season.

Sejuani is DOG SHIT LMAO WTF

Yasuo got buffed like twice and then indirect buffs to runes and items

Also graves has been strong... literally since before this season even started .. are we playing the same game or?