Please wait for Morgana mid's pick rate to rise before nerfing her W's AP ratio.

HP Crookshanks··79 votes·17,698 views

She may has high win rate in mid but her pick rate is really low. If she had the same pick rate as the favored poster boys (Yasuo Zed) her win rate couldn't be that high and her ban rate is high mostly because she counters the most played SUPPORT (Thresh). Morgana is a MAGE. She is originally a mid laner and nerfing her because she's sometimes played in mid is absurd.

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Daddy Ants30 votes

Thresh has counterplay? The counter is instantly nerfed.

Riot Games for you.

Sir Saltarin7 votes

Bu...but our highlights ruined by black shield....

Illabethe10 votes

Here's the thing though: Black shield isn't actually counterplay to Thresh Hooks. If he hits a target, he can still PULL to them. All Black shield does is absorb the damage, and and prevent the pull. Thresh can actually pull to Morg/Her shielded target, Ult, Drop the shield with the Ult damage, and then ensure the kill.

It only minimizes the skill, not erase it.

Sir Saltarin2 votes

Yeah, but Morgana is still one of the best supps to pick into Thresh, if you dont believe me and since you probably dont play botlane (in which case you would know it already) you can see it here:

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Thresh/

CasterGilgamesh3 votes

the point is not that morg is bad against thresh its that even when morg is strong against thresh she isnt a hard counter so even if they use the logic that she hard counters thresh as a reason to nerf it would still be r%%%%%ed

Somebody Love Me1 votes

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Here's the thing though: Black shield isn't actually counterplay to Thresh Hooks. If he hits a target, he can still PULL to them. All Black shield does is absorb the damage, and and prevent the pull. Thresh can actually pull to Morg/Her shielded target, Ult, Drop the shield with the Ult damage, and then ensure the kill.

It only minimizes the skill, not erase it.

A charged flay auto can break the shield

Illabethe1 votes

Yup. Either the ult or a charged Flay. If a Flay does it, the R damage goes through completely, and Thresh actually wins the duel.

El Peluquero4 votes

Nerfing some ap ratio on her W wont make her any worse at dealing with Thresh, in fact, her W doesnt do considerable damage when goes support, why would that nerf affect her in any way when she deals with thresh? What I'm more annoyed about is that if they intend for Morgana to be a support and thus nerf her mid lane potential, why dont they nerf Neeko's W passive if she is supposed to be a control mage?

VoidStaresBack3 votes

They... did, though. They hotfixed Neeko's AS growth, AD growth, and W passive damage.

RebeccaUCuber2 votes

I really likethe thresh character but i totally hate to face him in laning phase...so freaking uninteractive!!!

Emo Twink2 votes

being perma cced is interactive -thresh players

How Do You Meta24 votes

Oh that's just terrible. I hate it when Riot takes a big stick and spanks any support that dares to leave bot lane remotely successful. Morgana mid used to be quite common but she has been historically nerfed almost every time Riot puts her in a patch note until she couldn't hold her on in lane and became a permanent support. They shouldn't nerf her just because she does well right now and people aren't used to facing her mid.

Sewer Side2 votes

Her Torment Soil was massive buffed this patch though.

funkdubious24 votes

Thats helpful. and you can just move off it. Torment mostly helps with farming, and if enemy champ has just slivers of health left and they attack into me then I can punish.

If they turn around and run away, shes so slow I can't chase, plus the Q ability has a very limited range so I cant lock you down. Its a wonder I can even get a kill... I mostly get assists.

LeBlanc Rose2 votes

That it helps with farming is the issue.

She presses w from max wave and clears the wave faster than anivia ult, the whole reason the champ is picked.

NineTailedMystic5 votes

No, they kept nerfing her mid because her playstyle was miserable to play against. Just W spam, waveclear and get free sustain from her passive Spellvamp, and if you ever hit a Q they probably died. Can't ever get reliably ganked because of E and can't tower dive because of R.

funkdubious22 votes

Its true, as Morgana, I can't seem to close out enemies alone. So many other OP champs that need some nerfing instead of Morgana

l MrD l16 votes

what i still dont get it why do they nerf the ratio already without even thinking of touching Riven or Vayne............... If they have skins coming out i will be smh

Wild Geese13 votes

Funny they nerf mid Morgana, sure W is strong at waveclear but she's one of the more limited mid mages there is, very short range, Pretty much zero all-in; still a quasi-support in the midgame due to black shield and snare being her most powerful practical abilities. All mid Morgana has going for her is the W waveclear and if theynerf that it's making her way less able to mid at all..

NineTailedMystic1 votes

That's exactly why they nerf it though, all she does is W the wave and walk away if you ever try to be aggressive because of E.

Wild Geese2 votes

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That's exactly why they nerf it though, all she does is W the wave and walk away if you ever try to be aggressive because of E.

So what, Morgana can't kill you unless you tower dive but then again if she misses a Q you can all in her unless you tower dive. Do you think you should be allowed to tower dive any champ or they're busted?? She isn't exactly complex, Morgana is a relaxing lane. That anybody is complaining about her mid is funny.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

No, but she should have some risk, rather than just pressing W on the wave and waiting to do it against next wave.

Glaricion3 votes

Can't say since I haven't played mid Morg for about 6-7 years, but reliably getting 80%+ of creeps by W'ing is hard to do unless fed, which is hard to do since her kill potential is almost non-existent. She isn't S2(?) Morde insta-deleting waves w/ E Q.

It is cool to have high risk-reward champs, but low risk-reward champs are also cool.

Morg is immobile. Her waveclear is safe, but glacial. You're mid, prime real-estate, punish her with a roamer with decent waveclear. (Twisted Fate, Ahri, Talon, Panth, Nocturne...)

NineTailedMystic1 votes

And then you lose your tower because she just AFK shoves.

Glaricion1 votes

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And then you lose your tower because she just AFK shoves.

People also complain about how quickly towers go down after successful ganks, plus those champions mentioned are actually scary if they get a few kills under their belt.

Morg shoving mid and taking tier 1?

That took a while, but I'm really happy for her. Too bad now she's out of luck. She'll be encouraged to overextend to farm, team's flaming her for not following, lots of damage on top and/or bot turret, objective and map control's moving away from her, people who actually scale from kills might have them...

Morg's not Ziggs.

LeBlanc Rose2 votes

Talon, panth, noc are bad examples. Playing against morg mid as a melee makes me want to blow my brains out.

funkdubious22 votes

I think its dumb that they make distinctions of mid/bot/top. if any lane had less minions then perhaps. End-of-day, you're totally right... very short range mage, out-ranged by pretty much all the other mages out there. All the minuses.

There's even some melee champs that can out range Morgana, in terms of catching her via normal abilities, as ridiculous as that sounds. Yi frequently decimates morgana all the time with +2 rank above her. Where do you aim the Q stun? Wait til Yi is finished with the killing blow?

OtterlyLost8 votes

They're already nerfing her midlane play style? :( That sucks... I was hoping to use her as a gateway to learn and get better at Midlane.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

play Annie Syndra Lux for a champion as a gate way to mid

Salvor Hardın5 votes

Sad, the W is vital to clear the jungle with Morgana.

RebeccaUCuber4 votes

This is definetely not the year of mages :(

DonatellaVersace4 votes

Morgana mid is viable for once in five years but OH WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!

Unbelievable. Unwarranted nerf.

3TWarrior2 votes

they forgot she's not a true support but instead a supporting mage

this brings fear for lux and everyone else in the role

LeBlanc Rose2 votes

Remember around 4 years ago, when skarner got reworked and was viable again?

Did he not deserve nerfs then, as he was suddenly viable again and to do that would be unfair to the champion?

Sugarlicious4 votes

Oh cmon Riot, seriously? Why shouldn't we have a bit more fun with Morgana, why do you keep killing every "support"? God forbid you touch Yasuo or somebody who actually is OP, but nooo, you have to destroy every bit of fun we find in this completely broken game...

Illabethe2 votes

where are you seeing anything about a nerf?

Done252 votes

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where are you seeing anything about a nerf?

It's on PBE. They're testing the waters with a nerf from 16% to 14%. They just need to change her W. It doesn't even have its original utility of flat MR shred anymore.

Illabethe5 votes

Lmfao. You can finally see a champion's HP move a little with it, and they want to nerf it. Lmfao. Unless it's an adc, her W is generally useless.

Meanwhile, Other DoT champs like Amumu/Zyra can do three times as much per second.

You're lucky to do 21k damage a game with Morgana even when you hit every Q, land every ult. Most other mages are doing 30-35k in that time (more If fed).

I often post 10-11 KDA Morgana. Still has no real damage.

Nevrankroaton1 votes

Morgana main say her nerf are minimal so if a champion mains aint really bitching about the nerf, I don't think you need to be scared.

I would still love her -5 MS nerf to be removed tho.

Illabethe13 votes

I can tell you as a Morgana main: The reason we don't see it is because its damage is ALREADY worthless. Most champions out-regen the pool unless they are Q'd, or at best take negligible damage.

BunnyFuFu might be able to pull 1700 AP in a rigged Youtube game with Bronzes, but that doesn't even come close to the reality in ranked games. Even at 1700 AP, it takes him the full duration of the Q/W to kill someone.

Busty Demon5 votes

Morgana Level 7 100k mastery. It took me 12 kills to finally make a decent dmg with the W (i was super fed 12/2) and guess what? It took me 3 times to hit my Q and W consecutively plus an R to actually secure the kill ALONE on an adc. So Morgana's dmg in her kit is weak. And her w dmg isn't that tilting to be nerfed.

When I play her support in ranked, her W dmg wise isn't that noticeable at alllllll except in really late game.(and enemy team is full of squishies) Which is actually. Rare to be seen.

Nevrankroaton1 votes

We always used W for pushing anyway, never hoping that "big dmg W" would make a good Q rewarded.

Hence why I want the -5 ms reverted.

Illabethe7 votes

Thing is..... even as pushing tool it's gotten semi-weak, because so many abilities now do it faster, and actually secure all the kills. Soil tends to lose 1-2 minions, and takes a long time to do its job.

Sire Hippington1 votes

I'm totally fine with them nerfing morgana, she already was strong and the update was nothing but a straight buff. However, i'd like to hear their reasoning for nerfing her instantly but waiting multiple patches on champs like Riven or Vayne wehn they have higher win, pick and banrates over multiple patches. Whats the difference here for morgana that warrents instant nerfs when those others are fine to them?

CasterGilgamesh4 votes

they arent mages who knows its one of leagues oldest mystery's [sg-lux-2]

3TWarrior1 votes

how was she updated?

Sire Hippington2 votes

Her ult gives now a speedboost towards opponents and her W got a bit less base damage but a much higher multiplyer on low health targets ending in more overall damage.

Frog goes moo1 votes

She has a large enough playrate for a nerf to be warranted. the only time riot holds back on nerfs is when the champion's playrate is extremely small. Her playrate is slightly above average.

HP Crookshanks7 votes

Her play rate is only high as support not mid. She can't build too much AP as support so the nerf won't be noticeable for Morgana support while AP is too valuable for Morgana mid.

witchbÍades1 votes

She is Riot's definition of a zero interaction solo laner , nty.

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