Tank, mobility, a fucking silence, BUILDS ONE FUCKING ITEM THAT HAS DAMAGE BUT STILL BURST PEOPLE
Tanks, that do that much damage with their regular abilities, should have a 1000 fucking damage ultimate
OH YEAH AND HE ALSO HAS FREE SUSTAIN
MagicFlyingLlama5 votesGaren is very weak right now. Your inability to handle him properly does not mean he needs to be nerfed. Most ranged champs (ie every strong toplaner right now) absolutely dominates him. Just poke him to keep his passive down, keep minions between him to block, and be aware of the silence.
His ult is totally based on missing HP and has no scaling. Dont fight him with low hp, run for your life.
Unlucky471 votesWhen i go top, I don't think hey I should pick a ranged champion in case i'm fighting garen. There are so many top laners I could be fighting and so I pick someone like irelia or fiora and they counter pick me. If they pick garen first of course I'll get gnar but that never happens when Im top
Unlucky471 votesAnd not fighting him with low hp when he can just run at you with his increased movement speed is almost impossible. Every single time I fight garen they just wait till I'm under tower to q spin ult me for my entire health at level 6 - 8
MagicFlyingLlama1 votes
+ just about every other ranged or mobile top laner
EvilUnicornLord4 votes#WHAT. IS. HE. TALKING. ABOUT?
I think we can all agree that Garen is the simplest guy in League.
Unlucky471 votessimple doesnt mean not broken look at annie
EvilUnicornLord1 votesYes, but simple does mean you can counterplay them with absolutely no problem assuming you aren't a fan of playing Top lane Jhin!
Pandemic Punch2 votesGaren is on Riot's list to buff in an upcoming patch. I believe Meddler said 6.24 or 7.1? ;-)
Unlucky471 votesfuk
Avienal2 votesTank, mobility, a fucking silence, BUILDS ONE FUCKING ITEM THAT HAS DAMAGE BUT STILL BURST PEOPLE
Tanks, that do that much damage with their regular abilities, should have a 1000 fucking damage ultimate
OH YEAH AND HE ALSO HAS FREE SUSTAIN
Oh hey another thread whining about a starter champion when so many more retarded ones exist especially in the top lane such as:
: Large hits with Q, easy way to bully you alongside passive armor pen on one ability, a 'bleed out passive ability' that can stack up to 5 times, can get a massive AD boost soon as that 5th stack gets proc'd and then can go nuts with his dunk 'true damage executes' which get stack bonuses and AD scalings to let him do what Axe does on Dota 2, just wrek everything while being mainly stuffed with Tank items.
: Whoever thought of this guy must of never considered when you overload a champion with too much CC on top of being tankie with pretty strong damage especially in the base damage, your just creating the CC equilvency of Teemo, too much stuff he can do and have not much of a problem on bullying you down when he can hook grab you afar, auto attack snare you, slow AoE bomb you and continue to auto you in the process and maybe throw in his ultimate's knock up to keep you locked down, nothing much situational on it either.
& 
: Basically both have the same deal, gimmicks to make'm attack speed spaz outs, let them burst down in a duel and it translates strongly to bursting down turrets with high attack speed whether its in a passive or early itemization. Plus lets not forget their ways of tilting whether its in a quick extra damage burst, self heal, knock up at every '3rd' hit without a cool down lock out or a silly 'dodge pretty much all autos and then AoE stun whoever clinged to him.
I could go on but those 4 pretty much in my opinion cover the major problems, powerful damage or melt hard gimmicks, weaknesses easily 'canceled out (cough Darius + Deadman's plate = 'Instant Juggernaut mobility issue removed' cough), Should deal low damage when built as a tank but somehow still does lots of damage and plain kits which might as well be one finger on each hand only being used and easily GG pratically any top lane match up less the enemy team is 'extremely smart' at fighting you and can predict your moves most of the time successfully to 'tip' the rigged odds into their favor against your kit that makes it too easy for you to lane dominance.
Probably my third time i dealt with a thread saying "zomg Garen is so op like how Ashe suddenly became because of utility immobile marksmen becoming so stwongz, even though both are 'starter' championz!"
But lets go over a few things.
-Garen has a extremely simple kit:
Q for direct slamming a enemy champion with a big damage hit, silence them to throw off keyboard facerolling ability combos while doubling as his 'chase/escape'. Unless there is a 4th Juggernaut im not aware of, basically makes him the only juggernaut who has a 'mobility' ability.
W being his 'defensive measure' which unlike the other 2 juggernauts, makes him literally the only 'juggernaut' with a defensive ability. Very least the 'flat armor' he needs to 'mini game wave clear to stack and earn it' and it does not amount to significant amount. Illaoi and Darius on the other hands atleast have a gimmick on their passive and Q respectively for strong 'life sustain' and they only need to hit something to recover, not kill roughly 60 minions first for the stacks. With the active, being one of the few 'abilities' i recall on the champions i frequent, that actually raise its duration 'and its a defensive ability' while your ranking it up, but the damage it reduces, stays the same.
E being his standard wave clear which has a short range but at least is a pretty strong especially when its only hitting one target, plus ignoring unit collision making a nice means for running around a enemy champion so they can't skill shot you as 'easily' especially with abilities with wind ups. Though compared to his other two juggernaut 'friends', they have much wider range AoE hits for wave clear which bring alot more to the table (illaoi able to increase the damage of her tents from her passive and her Q simutaneously and Darius able to 'wind up while moving' for better aiming of its ring shape cleave zone).
His R is literally the original 'Dunk' you could say on LoL. Except unlike Darius he can't chain spam it nor does it have a bunch of math scaling to greatly increase its 'kill threshold', it only affects one target and if it wasn't for the passive bringing the 'villain' gimmick to allow him to shut down enemy champions sticking out too strongly, whether they are a tank stacked with ungodly high health or some assassin who is pretty much KS'ing every single kill from their team mates to rush buy ahead by 1 to 2 items ahead of everyone else. The boon of using it on a villain to deal true damage when it already does a simple missing health damage bonus is a nice addition too.
As for his passive, atleast he has alot of the parts to it locked behind a level limit before it gets stronger by 11 and 16 to reduce its CD of activation how much % hp he regains a half a second and top of negating non-epic monsters from canceling it and then its big recovery bonus to 1% max health every half a second.
At the very least unlike a Juggernaut who just melts everything in a instant, Garen on the other hand is a juggernaut made to be persistent by kit utility, not because of his itemization(cough 
+
cough). Pretty much when you let a Garen get away in a team fight, your just letting him lick his wounds to come back later or go push another turret while he recovers. He can hit hard, but he can easily have his E and Q wasted by making him chase you while it expires, unlike other juggernauts who can use their own gimmicks to 'keep you from running' and then nail you hard in the process). But at the very least, just like a Udyr he can easily be cc hit if he isn't going to use Flash right away, less he saves his Q for when you hit him with a slow so he can break out of it.
Garen can't go instantly melting a bunch of enemy champions in a instant like how Darius and Illaoi can (Especially Illaoi's R or Darius using his Q to apply full hemmorage stack in a instant on numerous targets before he starts dunking everyone).
So before you blame the champion, Blame the 'staple items' that create the issue. Especially the ones that are picked so constantly that most everyone forgets things like 
exist compared to when the difference is about 50 health and 25 AD, yet the former grants Mana, Attack speed, % movement speed, spell blade auto damage burst, on top of 'Rage' effect. Obviously some champions would be better off with their silly abilities to apply lots of Armor shred % stacks on many targets or one target in short bursts, but that doesn't mean to completely oust alternative item options. ((
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Unlucky471 votesI never said darius wasnt more broken just stating that a 5000 health tank that can burst people with 2k health in seconds like assassins is unhealthy for the game
Unlucky471 votesand I'm going to blame the champion when he can literally just build spirit visage or deadmans before building damage and can still burst people because his ult is so reliable
qQE2ABvLSX2 votesYou are silver 4, you are trash.
The game is balanced around platinum+, which you are not, therefore your opinion doesn't count as you are trash.
Garen has been barely playable in higher elos for almost half a year, Riot have already stated they will be buffing Garen significantly within the next few weeks.
Also Garen is not a tank, he is a juggernaut, if you are getting caught by a Garen in his range then that is your fault.
Consumed Oceiros1 votesYou are silver 4, you are trash.
The game is balanced around platinum+, which you are not, therefore your opinion doesn't count as you are trash.
Garen has been barely playable in higher elos for almost half a year, Riot have already stated they will be buffing Garen significantly within the next few weeks.
Also Garen is not a tank, he is a juggernaut, if you are getting caught by a Garen in his range then that is your fault.
Considering 80 percent of this game's population is silver, I find that pretty inconsiderate. Also, Bergsen's most hated champion is, yet shaco is easily countered and shut down, does that mean Bergsen is trash? No.
If you happen to go anywhere except top and your top laner is absolute garbage, there's nothing you can do against a garen. He deals high damage for such a tanky champion and thanks to his W passive he can easily avoid spending gold on tank items. He is weak in some areas, like being easily kiteable (depending on the player kiting him) and he is strong in others, like being practically immortal in the late game and still dealing ridiculous damage, not to speak of his 243hp/s regen at 18 with warmogs and/or Visage
Critmaster Garen2 votesTank, mobility, a fucking silence, BUILDS ONE FUCKING ITEM THAT HAS DAMAGE BUT STILL BURST PEOPLE
Tanks, that do that much damage with their regular abilities, should have a 1000 fucking damage ultimate
OH YEAH AND HE ALSO HAS FREE SUSTAIN
theyre going to buff him in a couple patches. already confirmed.
and those buffs are deserved. hes not even breaking 50% winrate in bronze and silver anymore. its worse in divisions that actually matter.
NovaDisk1 votesReally? Do you have a link? Too bad it isn't in time for the end of season though.
Critmaster Garen1 votesReally? Do you have a link? Too bad it isn't in time for the end of season though.
nah fuck that.
they buff him right now, then they release all the new preseason shit and after 2 weeks hes in the dump again? no thanks.
the season ends anyways, so i cant play ranked games with him that matter anymore. i actually rather wait 2 patches more now, until they released all the new broken shit and buff him with all the new op ad carries with the broken ferocity masteries and the lategame assassins with 100 flat armor pen + last whisper or cleaver in mind.
Marshbouy1 votesAkatsuki deidara? Is that you?
Boulderox1 votes ಠ_ಠ
Joseph Gladstone2 votes:D
Ok sure but why1 votestbh i build him full crit, i hope they never nerf his e
Zane Zephyr1 votesFULL AD GAREN JUNGLE OP AS FUCKKKKK
Unlucky471 votesPeoples seem to be under the false impression that me thinking garen is op means I don't think darius or jax or xin is op when I never said that
Ruin Lance1 votesgaren is in such a shitty spot right now. he doesn't need nerfs
Kingsize20201 votesLook man if you dont let him spin to win on you he cant do anything. Stay in your minions you take 33% more damage if you are the only target. Kite him. Teemo has a speed boost and a damned blind. How you gonna say garen is broken when hes got to be within dicks length to do anything. There are better champs that need nerfs. Gnar basically has a shyvana ult as a passive level 1 and you complain about a slow melee champ that gets shutdown by cc and multiple champs. If anything i think giving garen a "adrenaline" bar like zeds energy bar would balance him so he cant just run in and constantly qweqqqqeqqqr but anymore than that he would never ve played again because how crap he is against champs like fiora vayne gnar cho darius irelia and many more top laners. Just dont get caught by his e as a single target. Stay in minions kite and cc him