Why is everyone flipping their shit over this Lee Sin buff?

Terozu··22 votes·3,104 views

I went to surrender at 20 expecting some insane buff, but nope. Its to his shield. Its 20 extra points at rank 1. 15 at 2. 10 at 3. 5 at 4. And the buff isnt there at 5. This is like absolutely nothing, noone ever complains about "omg Lee Sins shields to strong" they get mad because of his mobility and damage. Why are people losing it over small decaying buff?

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PopcornBunni28 votes

Because it's entirely unnecessary.

Champions like Poppy Illaoi MonkeyKing sit in the dumpster for ages, and none other than the most seen proplay characters gets buffed instead. It doesn't matter what the buff is; it's the same reason ekko and zed's buff notes are memes. There's literally no reason to do it -- "The character is good but can be better."

Eedat3 votes

I just want Wu's E to stun jungle creeps for 1.5-2 seconds. Thats really all I want lol

Arakadia2 votes

You would take like no damage then. 1.5-2 seconds where the monster won't attack you and then the clone can tank.

Eedat5 votes

It takes more than 3 seconds to clear a camp bud

Terozu1 votes

Lol tell that to Xayah and Garen. XD

Cloud2731 votes

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Because it's entirely unnecessary.

Champions like Poppy Illaoi MonkeyKing sit in the dumpster for ages, and none other than the most seen proplay characters gets buffed instead. It doesn't matter what the buff is; it's the same reason ekko and zed's buff notes are memes. There's literally no reason to do it -- "The character is good but can be better."

Wukong does NOT need buffs. He should be nerfed if anything. Poppy could use a few small buffs, and I think Illaoi is pretty balanced.

L Psy Kongroo16 votes

Because the mere fact that Riot would spend thought and time to buff to one of the most consistently dominant champions in the game instead of one of the many MANY others who need it more pisses a lot of people off.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Or actually do their job and nerf broken items.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're nerfing Cassiopeia and Elise, who have been a MASSIVE problem all season, so they are sort of doing their job kappa

AirKingNeo1 votes

But doesn't that mean they're actually not doing their job and only making changes to appease people so they forget how much they're fucking up the game.

TyrekGoldenspear13 votes

Look, if Lee Sin got exactly 1 extra damage on his Q, the boards would ignite. It is to be expected at this point.

Ahristocats3 votes

tyrek jesus, i didn't expect you to be so accurate

Mens Hair Club2 votes

If Lee Sin got no changes but patch notes worded it like he got buffs boards would erupt

BakedLotion10 votes

Cause we all know they buff Lee right before Worlds, then never nerf him back and he becomes FOTM for a few months

jwebb01135 votes

lol could you just imagine what would happen if they gave cait any buffs right now

they would forget about lee like he never existed due to the hate

RookPusher7 votes

I don't think so, man. Lee Sin occupies a special place in the minds of the league players. He's Napoleon. And nothing short of Elba will satisfy our furious rage.

jwebb01131 votes

there are a few champs that are hated cait is one of them lee is one...

and no matter what riot does isnt right regarding these champs

CrabPeopleReform2 votes

cait actually isn't an hated champion lee sin is rightfully hated

jwebb01132 votes

yet cait got completely gutted nerf after nerf and has a 2 % lower win rate then lee does currently

cait 44.99% win rate lee 46.55% win rate

Terozu2 votes

Cait ot her attack speed nerfed and got a change to hiw her passive interacted with Runaans. Thats not gutted...

jwebb01134 votes

1st they change the interaction of hurricane to not apply headshots

2nd they nerfed her attack speed

3rd they nerfed her Q and traps

she got gutted

Frightning2 votes

base AS (base, not % gained per level) nerfs are extremely impactful on champions that actually build nontrivial amounts of AS because it shits on how much AS they get from those items (bonus AS from items is a % of the base value, so lower that and you lower how much AS they get from the item). The AS nerfs were honestly overkill on Caitlyn. Would be happy to see her base AS back to 0.625 in exchange for some reductions to base AD and/or Headshot damage (maybe remove the extra HS damage on trapped targets).

Blåbæret5 votes

Because he doesn't need buffs. He endured 3 patches of nerfs and still retains a 20% play rate. The champ is busted and should never see buffs.

Wînter Fox5 votes

They have to buff Lee before Worlds, or else that would be ( ••) ( ••)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

a terrible Sin.

OMGSoAnnoying1 votes

It would be worse if he died seven times in the same game.

You'd have seven dead Lee Sins.

Which death is which, however, I leave to the viewer.

Handy Sandy 4 votes

because he doesn't even need it. Riot just buffed him to fit into the meta he shouldn't belong in.

chipndip11 votes

Then we whine about buffing Fiora, so she can fit in a meta she is pretty much designed for.

Darkdemon6532 votes

People are still salty about Lee Sin.

LemurMonster2 votes

Because we are sick of seeing him. Just for once we wish he is NOT meta for a season or something.

Bârd2 votes

You must be new here.

Lee sin is among the unholy trinity, alongside Yasuo and Vayne, who are deemed "cancer" by the boards if they are succeeding and "RIto farming their cash cow" if they ever buff them

jwebb01131 votes

Lee Sin has a win rate 46.55%/19.27% pick rate ( average ban rate of 9%) for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Lee Sin's are earning a win rate of 57.00% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.

LoLalytics ranks Lee Sin at 94 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Lee Sin, the win rate and average rank of the best Lee Sin players.

whats funny about this... as of today his ban rate went from about 9% on average up to 17%

https://imgur.com/zwV8FTO

TwinkiePro3 votes

He also has the largest player base of dedicated mains, totaling 6.5% of the entire player population.

He's also performing as expected in Dia+, which has the most effecient lee sin players and know him way better than plats and below. A little extra shield isn't going to do much up there.

jwebb01131 votes

well most champs typically have a peak win rate in diamond

case and point the worst ranked champ

Ezreal has a win rate 46.95% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Ezreal's are earning a win rate of 54.41% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond IV.

LoLalytics ranks Ezreal at 138 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Bronze.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Ezreal, the win rate and average rank of the best Ezreal players.

and the best ranked champ

Janna has a win rate 55.89% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Janna's are earning a win rate of 59.13% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.

LoLalytics ranks Janna at 1 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Challenger.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Janna, the win rate and average rank of the best Janna players.

in diamond elo is where their win rank is peaked ... ez at 54.41% d4 and janna 59.13% d2

Terozu5 votes

The best part about the ban rate; the buff hasn't even gone through yet.

jwebb01132 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

FancyKiwi1 votes

Because it's Lee Sin. They could give him 1 AD and people would act like they tripled the damage on his ult.

Vallalan1 votes

i mean its a buff to the health of his clear since he will be using it on cooldown. taking less damage means healthier clears.

its probably not going to push him into the meta, but it might make him a viable niche pick at worlds if it makes his clears healthy enough to where he can have stronger ganks/invades.

Vectros1 votes

Because there's probably 100 champions or so in the game that need one more than Lee does. He shouldn't see ANY buffs until those 100 have been buffed-not even 20 shield at level 1.

Support Position1 votes

Because hes fucking annoying that never drops off. Ever. He's a champion that needs to get gutted so badly.

Wagwoof1 votes

I feel that people aren't really aggravated by the buff itself, just by the fact that Riot always has time to lavish on Lee Sin while other champs are forgotten

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