If you are support

Jefftiffy·Oct 16, 2016·1 votes·808 views

Please stop hitting the farm for literally no reason other than to try to give me last hits. You fuck up the tempo in farming and more often than not make me lose out on farm. Literally had a Thresh call be bad at CSing when he kept hitting the fucking minions and setting their hp so low i couldn't get to them in time and would miss out on farm. Probably missed over 50 CS thanks to that. 50 CS 1k gold you denied your ADC.

If you are going to bring relic use it on the first wave then on cannon creeps only and for the love of god be good at last hitting if you are playing a ranged champ. Idc if you can land god hooks. If you deny me 1k gold you have already fucked us over. Because we need kills just to make up for the loss in CS.

31 Comments

OrinneOct 16, 20164 votes

I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not that good at CSing.

From your last set of AD carry games: Ezreal 27 minutes, 117 (4.3) Draven 20 minutes, 136 (6.5) Draven 28 minutes, 107 (3.8) Ezreal 33 minutes, 112 (3.4) Jinx 33 minutes, 251 (7.5) Caitlyn, 39 minutes, 211 (5.4)

You've got the one decent Jinx game at 7.5 but you're all over the place otherwise. Also, if you somehow missed 50 CS because of Thresh autoing minions, that's on you, not him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

wow you blew my mind....

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

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I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not that good at CSing.

From your last set of AD carry games: Ezreal 27 minutes, 117 (4.3) Draven 20 minutes, 136 (6.5) Draven 28 minutes, 107 (3.8) Ezreal 33 minutes, 112 (3.4) Jinx 33 minutes, 251 (7.5) Caitlyn, 39 minutes, 211 (5.4)

You've got the one decent Jinx game at 7.5 but you're all over the place otherwise. Also, if you somehow missed 50 CS because of Thresh autoing minions, that's on you, not him.

You realize that CS means nothing in solo queue right. If you are always outnumbered botlane you are going to be behind. And I get a lot of shitty support players when I ADC. The game I was just in. My annie support put down a trinket and didn't notice there was a pink in the bush until it was half gone and then walks away right when they go in to clear the ward. And she bought a SS at 33 minutes.

CS in solo queue means absolutely nothing. And half the time I'm ADC in solo queue I have the mid lane or some body come into my lane and just nuke the entire wave after they fuck up or after the fight. That denies me at least 6 CS.

Trying to put CS per minute doesn't mean jack shit when you have 9 other factors in the game. 4 of them your own team who can hit the minions as well, and 5 who can group and just deny you CS. In higher amounts of players CS is definitely a factor of skill. But when you are solo with 9 randoms it's like saying you are skilled for steam rolling after you critted 2 times in a row with 1% crit chance at level 4 in bot lane and steam rolled for the rest of the game.

CS score to me means almost nothing outside of team play. Maybe in like Plat 3+ where players are actually there for a reason. Trying to compare CS in bronze-gold is often pointless as CS often doesn't make or break games and has so many factors effecting your CS like that one guy who just wants to CS to carry the game even though he is the support.

ModWulf HelhammerOct 16, 20163 votes

CS is the E most important stat and skill in the game. No matter the elo. It is the only unending, static gold source besides the GPS base.

OrinneOct 16, 20162 votes

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You realize that CS means nothing in solo queue right.

Yet you're here complaining that some solo queue Thresh is ruining your CS, so it clearly must mean something.

If you are always outnumbered botlane you are going to be behind. And I get a lot of shitty support players when I ADC.

I'm sure those 'shitty supports' don't appreciate playing with a mediocre ADC either.

The game I was just in. My annie support put down a trinket and didn't notice there was a pink in the bush until it was half gone and then walks away right when they go in to clear the ward.

So why didn't you tell her to clear the pink if you noticed it was up for a minute and a half?

I could go on, but I really could've just stopped at the first sentence.

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

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Yet you're here complaining that some solo queue Thresh is ruining your CS, so it clearly must mean something.

I'm sure those 'shitty supports' don't appreciate playing with a mediocre ADC either.

So why didn't you tell her to clear the pink if you noticed it was up for a minute and a half?

I could go on, but I really could've just stopped at the first sentence.

When she has ult and her stun is up. Kind of figure she was going in. But when she just wanders away (it was a trinket so it was in the bush for like 20s). Also you don't have time to type to people in lane.

CS means something in close games, but you can't say that it is important as an ADC in solo. I never said it was important. I'm saying that the thresh was complaining about my CS while being a part of the problem with my CS. He could land good hooks. When he decided to go in was sometimes pretty bad, but the CS would have made it much easier to fight the enemy bot lane which was slowly snowballing due to help from jung and mid.

Nagoh ShanOct 16, 20163 votes

http://i.imgur.com/LdKJQc3.gif?noredirect

I like how you go from:

Probably missed over 50 CS thanks to that. 50 CS 1k gold you denied your ADC.

And:

If you deny me 1k gold you have already fucked us over. Because we need kills just to make up for the loss in CS.

To:

You realize that CS means nothing in solo queue right.

And:

CS often doesn't make or break games

The moment you're own inability to CS is mentioned.

If CS means nothing in solo queue, and it doesn't make or break games, don't make a pointless thread complaining about supports hitting creeps.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

WOW

mind blown

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

JefftiffyOct 17, 20161 votes

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I like how you go from:

And:

To:

And:

The moment you're own inability to CS is mentioned.

If CS means nothing in solo queue, and it doesn't make or break games, don't make a pointless thread complaining about supports hitting creeps.

And I guess your the baddie who doesn't realize that. I said CS doesn't matter. But the second you bring up CS I say it contributes to a loss. But the biggest thing in solo queue is cooperating with your teammates and by fucking over your ADCs CS you automatically are being uncooperative. So stfu and get ur memes out of here. Bronze logic is a bad way to prove a point. Which apparently you can't think in the big picture. Oh boy I contradicted myself, but in the context it was in the point still stands.

You don't seem to realize that 50 CS matters. But not as much as being cooperative. Being cooperative prevents tilting your own team and actually contributes more to a win than CSing does. If you group and play with your team you are more likely to win then if you miss out on 50 CS. Not only because you aren't tilting your own team, but you are making better overall decisions for the sake of your team instead of yourself.

I'm not saying I'm a pro. But I'm saying you have to take into account the mechanics of a team. How would you like it if your support just randomly said "I need to carry this game" and just started to steal your CS. Of if your Kalista kept suiciding in to ult you into their team because they wanted to carry you. It's the same shit. The only difference is you are talking like a condescending player that thinks just because you are in the lane you own it. Guess what. It's almost always better to play safe than push someone out of their comfort zone on your own team.

Nagoh ShanOct 17, 20161 votes

No man, you said CS matters and tried to circle-jerk some anti-support crap, then got called out for being terrible at CSing at which point you said CS doesn't matter.

I know CS matters, everyone knows CS matters, except for the guy who said:

You realize that CS means nothing in solo queue right.

You tried to be cute, got called out, tried to get dismissive and contradicted the entire point of the thread, got called out, and are now trying to say:

Oh boy I contradicted myself, but in the context it was in the point still stands.

No. If you contradict the point of the thread, then the point doesn't stand. The context was:

You: CS is important

Random: You suck at CS don't blame other people

You: CS isn't that important

Me: lul

You: Git gud, bronzies don't understand Schrödinger's CS where it's both important and useless depending on whether or not you're talking about me

Me: Rekt

BTW:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/lalaloopsyland/images/b/b8/Rekt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150107020612

AptestOct 16, 20163 votes

Dear ADC player,

it saddens me to have to teach you, that in some match-ups pushing is necessary. and while it is generally YOUR job to push, if you refuse, it really fucks up the lane.

if i have to do it for you, I will.

JefftiffyOct 17, 20161 votes

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Dear ADC player,

it saddens me to have to teach you, that in some match-ups pushing is necessary. and while it is generally YOUR job to push, if you refuse, it really fucks up the lane.

if i have to do it for you, I will.

I'm sorry, but when you are losing lane. You don't push. And if you are fucking up someones farm. Stop doing it. If I am refusing to push there is a reason to. You are the support unless you are an aggro support don't just do things you are going to tilt the fuck out of your ADC. If you don't like how I am freezing lane under tower ask me to push. Don't start shoving the lane so I can't farm. And if I don't want to push, guess what I don't have have to. Works both ways.

FlahertyOct 16, 20162 votes

The only times a support should hit minions is to get relic shield procs, help last hit under tower if the adc doesn't have enough damage to do so, or help push the wave to get the tower/drag/to recall and deny minions.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20162 votes

or i take the cs and carry the game so you can make your post and cry... oh btw adc go ahead and get that SS cuz im too busy getting cs

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

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or i take the cs and carry the game so you can make your post and cry... oh btw adc go ahead and get that SS cuz im too busy getting cs

And then you get banned. And then you cry on the boards about getting banned for "no reason".

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20162 votes

get banned for what? there is no rule saying i cant cs as a support

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

im waiting for you to explain how ill be banned ... i really wanna know

Swiftstrike4Oct 16, 20163 votes

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And then you get banned. And then you cry on the boards about getting banned for "no reason".

Actually the support CSing is not bannable at all. There is no rule against it and it isn't intentional feeding fall under any of the reportable offenses. You could report them for "unsportsmanlike conduct" but I doubt they would receive anything for it.

The reason the support doesn't CS is because it isn't "optimal" in the bot lane for them to receive gold over the ADC. That's it really, it is just a strategy.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

ooooohhh schooled

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

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Actually the support CSing is not bannable at all. There is no rule against it and it isn't intentional feeding fall under any of the reportable offenses. You could report them for "unsportsmanlike conduct" but I doubt they would receive anything for it.

The reason the support doesn't CS is because it isn't "optimal" in the bot lane for them to receive gold over the ADC. That's it really, it is just a strategy.

I was referring to being banned for the attitude of I'm going to CS and carry the game fuck the other player. No one wants to play with that person in bot lane except the enemy team.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

isnt that the attitude in games any ways. for you to carry and not rely on our team? and fyi you cant bann for ATTITUDE you dont know what kind of ATTITUDE im playing with...

get good son

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

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isnt that the attitude in games any ways. for you to carry and not rely on our team? and fyi you cant bann for ATTITUDE you dont know what kind of ATTITUDE im playing with...

get good son

With the way you act I'm pretty sure you will be talking in all chat half the game or complaining about how bad your ADC is. It wouldn't take long.

And may I also add you are playing on a nub account. You were Silver last season unranked this season. So either you have no balls to post on your main. Or you don't play and just troll on the forums. And looking at your match history either you are really bad or you just build for fun.

I may complain in game, but never about my teammates. It's usually just venting after I die.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

man you are soo wrong its funny

i have played since end of season 2 never had a chat restriction or a ban of any kind

get bent son

JefftiffyOct 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lB8wfXu9,comment-id=0001000000020001000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-16T19:54:57.732+0000)

man you are soo wrong its funny

i have played since end of season 2 never had a chat restriction or a ban of any kind

get bent son

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/36712556#matches.

Keep acting like you are 12. I'll find more ways to prove you wrong.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

what is that link for ?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

so you pulled a link to show my stats for a support player wow who dont play rank at all

TsumiOct 16, 20162 votes

You act like supports can't carry games. In soloq, it's all about being selfish and doing it for you. Harsh truth. I know.

Zykklon BOct 16, 20162 votes

Its good if you wanna do a play

With Thresh I always AA at Lv1 so we can get that insta Lv2 and kill the adc or supp

Swiftstrike4Oct 16, 20162 votes

I auto minions for a few reasons:

To prep minions under tower To shove the wave for it to reset when the laners leave To get us to the next level if I feel we are in danger Thin out the wave to make it easier to freeze

The 3rd one I have had to do sometimes. Because the ADC wants to set up an early freeze. The problem is that a level 2 all it is possible with specific duos waiting to get to level 2 is pretty dangerous sometimes. There have been a few times I had to kill minions because our ADC was not getting us to level 2.

Now I don't have to do much of this if the ADC is good. Most mid Gold and higher ADCs totally understand what I am doing and I rarely need to touch the minions. But if I a supporting a not very good ADC they literally have no understanding of wave management and if I touch minions they sometimes complain.

TsumiOct 16, 20162 votes

Or here's a better solution: play a solo lane so you don't have to get salty over missing a lot of cs. OR learn to cs by going into a custom game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 16, 20161 votes

goood idea

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]