There is something severely wrong with the way support grades are calculated

IllllllIIIIlllll·6/26/2016, 6:34:26 AM·10 votes·1,011 views

Go 3/10/14 braum? Ward everywhere and sacrifice yourself multiple times for your teammates? Nope, you get a C+.

Go 11/10/8 Lucian that didn't even build sightstone? sweet you get a S 5/1/10 kill stealing support shaco? S+ 10/4/6 support leblanc? you get a S too 12/13/18 AP blitzcrank with no sightstone OR relic shield? S ez

These games were all me playing support (troll picks were with friends). When I play proper supports, it's hard to get a S. The income/damage lost from buying sightstone/aegis/support items makes it very difficult to have good damage/be tanky enough to survive. But when I go AP blitz and ult 20 minions at once, it's easy to have gold for items, deal a crapton of damage, and ditch my teammates to die as I protobelt away. Good supports won't have good KDAs because they're the ones initiating, the ones tanking or trying to peel two tanks off the carry. They won't have good damage because they're building athenes/frozen heart/sightstone/aegis. They'll be underleveled because they spend time roaming and warding.

Riot should really reconsider the way supports are graded: damage done, deaths, and kill participation seem to be all that matter.

11 Comments

Zane Zephyr6/26/2016, 7:02:05 AM4 votes

The thing is, your performance is matched against other players who played that champ in that role, so when you do troll/off meta stuff you have a way higher chance of getting an S even if you go average because there's less of a playerbase to match it against

You can go something like Leona top or mid and go like 10/13/2 and still get an S because nobody plays that

KoggyStyle6/26/2016, 5:26:28 PM4 votes

its becuase Meta supports are often picked as support, off meta picks like the real outliers are almost always goin to be a S.

Miraweave6/26/2016, 10:46:55 PM3 votes

First off, 3/10/14 is a terrible score.

With respect to the lucian game, you have to remember that grade is measured against everyone else playing that champion in that role. Since basically nobody plays support lucian, you're bound to get a higher grade.

CrazedPorcupine6/26/2016, 10:45:21 PM2 votes

Guess what, When is Lucian built as a support? Rarely if ever. It's a troll build. Having a high K/A ratio on a champion that's not usually built support will get a good grade. Same thing with LB and Shaco.

Grades are calculated compared to ALL OTHER PEOPLE WHO PLAY A CHAMPION IN THAT POSITION. This means that if you take a non-standard support into the support role, and do even REMOTELY well, you can get an incredibly high grade.

But if you take a support to the support role, like Braum, Alistar, Thresh, Soraka and others, unless you have 70+ Kill Part%, at least 1 ward per minute ratio and at least 4 ward kills per 10 minutes of gameplay, You're not going to get higher than an A+

The Last Ballad6/26/2016, 8:10:46 PM1 votes

They are changing this with the support patch, which is coming in ~3 days, if nothing goes wrong.

MunchCrunchLunch6/26/2016, 9:57:16 PM1 votes

I've had a sona that got an S+ 4 times in a row

love league6/26/2016, 10:28:14 PM1 votes

It has to deal with how many assist you get. Getting like 20+ assist usually lands you an easy S. Warding doesn't really get factored.. I don't think. They grade on assist per [enter time] I theorize...

Çhåryzård6/26/2016, 10:42:13 PM1 votes

The system seems to look for a high amount of kills, low amount of deaths.

I have gotten 20+ assists on a support without taking kills and no S.

I go 4/4/40 on a support and get an S- but the game went on for over an hour, landing me the high assists count.

I may go something like 1/1/14, ward whevener I get to, place pinks, save my teammates and assist in teamfights, and get my adc so fed he earns himself an S, yet I'll only get an A. The system does not know how to grade supports because supports are played differently than the other roles.

BluePhone6/26/2016, 6:32:38 PM1 votes

20/2/38 Poppy Support. A. That is bs. My adc was afk and I did 1v2-5 bot lane. I deserve a mudafkin SSS+ for that. Did I mention that my mid laner and jungler were losing until I roamed and gave them kills and that my adc, jungler, mid, and top only placed down 0-5 wards the ENTIRE game while I warded everything? I got tilted when my 8/8/10 mid got an S-.