I still see Thunderlord's Decree on almost every champion

never forget the first week after skarner rework...

To some extent won't give him 45% cdr and anywhere near as much damage as thunderlord for him.

DFT is still only good if 30% of your AD exceeds 180 (Jhin) or 90(if you can keep spells on an enemy team longer then 6-8 seconds) (So 600 AD or 300 AD if you have sustain spell damage like lucian/mf/corki which can keep you safe) or if 15% of your ap is 180 (Veigar/maybe cassi) or 90(So 1200 AP or 600 if you can keep spells ticking the the enemy team consistently/sustained damage for 6-8 seconds minimally so brand, swain, anivia, rumble, cassi, karthus, kat, malz, morg, AP nasus, and lastly teemo)

Stuff like xerath/vel/ziggs/lux are better off just going 5% bonus CDR, and Zyra could also get DFG if her pets can apply it

Everyone else who could use DFG can't do it in a safe manner compared to thunderlords or they just burst and don't need the sustain damage component to DFT

Additionally for mages the 7% magic penetration is diminished with purchase of void staff so the flat 8 penetration is better until 200 MR which their regular targets wouldn't have anywhere near and some really love the extra 5% CDR like zil/ryze and previous examples etc.

Sorry for the long post, I do love DFT myself but thunderlord on others except for the listed is just better in terms of safely proc'ing it and being useful even before late/end game

Sadly I hope they don't go through with the incoming change where thunderlord starts at a 25 second CD but lowers to a 15 second CD or thunderlord unlike how reasonable it is now will just outclass everything again.

TL;DR aside from Jhin, MF, Lucian, Corki, Veigar, brand, swain, anivia, rumble, cassi, karthus, kat, malz, morg, AP nasus, and lastly teemo (Maybe zyra if pets proc DFT) thunderlords is better for early-mid and safely proc'ing with better masteries beforehand.

Galio is the only champion who can't really synergize with any keystone, although the stormraider change might improve that.

Didn't realize you were the OP

Some just don't synergize well with any keystone such as Ashe, Cait and Galio. Although currently since fervor buff ashe should go fervor but Cait and Galio still have nothing (Although cait can take warlord for more healing)

Poke build jayce as well although DFT can somewhat fill since they usually have heavy enough AD to support it

And funny veigar is too overqualified for either DFT or Thunderlord that he doesn't want extra damage and takes CDR mastery+storm raiders now

Caitlyn Main reason I say cait (now that ashe has fervor) is Cait getting thunderlord is based on you must land E(net)->Q(Damaging skill) then AA for harass which eats through mana bar like crazy and waste your escape tool which is already unreliable to land, cait doesn't really have any power AS steroid to make use of fervor. And although warlord was rebuffed but anyone who takes that kinda feels "forced" but maybe I'll stop saying caitlyn doesn't synergize with any keystone after testing it.

**GALIO Keystones **Now for galio He is literally the only champion in league who just doesn't synergize with any mastery. He doesn't use warlord, he doesn't AA for fervor, He doesn't build enough AP or deal any amount of harass for DFT. He might be able to use stormraider now to get in range for his ulti. He never does 3 hits unless you're really forcing yourself to for thunderlord. windspeaker is well windspeaker maybe it'll be decent. he doesn't AA for grasp. str of the ages might be good again since you want to keep galio healthy for ultimate. and bond of stone for the same reason as str of ages.

Why he would/wouldnt use But galio wants damage neither DFT/thunderlord do anything and he doesn't want the windspeaker/bond/str of ages for staying healthy which galio does easily with just W. The only keystone that galio could use for real damage is stormraiders to reliably get ultimate off where you want

TL;DR By not synergize I mean don't have a way to reliably add onto the keystone's potential or reliably proc it in a way that adds onto the tools in their kit. Ashe can proc thunderlord easily but is better with fervor since fervor works with Q. Caitlyn doesn't have enough AA steroids to use any keystone, doesn't have a reliable way to proc thunderlord, no skill spam for DFT and forced into bloodlust (Wish cait got jhin's AoE+ stealthed, reload which increases her AD for crit and AS and ulti, it's what cait shoulda had and when I say AoE I don't mean the damage I just mean area players trigger it). Lastly galio just can't use anything well except maybe stormraider since the buff.

Side Note: I'm not really for those who have to AA to proc thunderlord and it would be reasonable if riot nerfed normal basic attacks(not on-hit effects like a TF E+ W) procing it

That's not a buff. People take it for the early game dominance and in the early game it will have longer CD.

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since dots only proc DFT for 1 sec, i see dot mages using thunderlords instead.

yes but usually dot mages have concurent spells. for example teemo shrooms. i expect them to land on them often. the cooldown on thunderlords doesn't help the cause. and not to mention its not just the shrooms its all of your kit. but if your a burst champion you want that one moment to go all in so thunderlord is the way to go.

then post in BR? Bitching about your experience on the NA boards does not even make sense. Its not even like the 2 communities are even close to similar.

Smurf posting accounts should be deleted.