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Thoughts and Discussion: LeBlanc

Stacona··2 votes·564 views

General thoughts with LeBlanc:

~ Right now LeBlanc uses brute force to assassinate her target rather than through trickery and clever gameplay. A part to this problem is her mobility, and since she is a ranged champion, she can have the mobility removed and create new utility so she is less oppressive in lane and requires the tricks to poke out her lane opponent and try to kill her target later on in the game. ~ ~ Less lane oppression ~ ~ Remove her brute force ways ~ ~ Really emphasize and establish her gameplay about trickery and tricking her opponent and rewarded with a kill when executed well, this allows for real counter play and the feeling that you died because she outplayed you rather than dashing two screens away, landing an E and dying to the passive proc. ~ ~ Move LeBlanc into hard to play and master like what she was initially intended to be, she may not be at all the easiest champion right now, but she is a little too easy for how much power she has

~ LeBlanc should be fun and rewarding when you execute her trickery properly. She should equally feel like you died because you properly got outplayed rather than brute force jumping in. Again, she should be moved away from a mobile champion and use her range and new found utility to trick the opponent - this utility can be done through things like "clones" and stealth for example - if the opponent gets tricked they will take damage for one example, leaving room for fairness and giving the LeBlanc player that rewarding feeling for proper execution, especially with enough damage to kill the target.

EXAMPLE KIT TO TRY TO GIVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT I AM THINKING... NUMBERS DO NOT MEAN MUCH, JUST A VERY GENERAL IDEA!

Smoke and Mirrors (Passive): Max Reflected Bolt Range: 1200 units LeBlanc and all Mirror Images turn invisible for 0.5 second upon casting an ability, Mirror Images cannot take damage while invisible.

Upon casting an ability LeBlanc leaves behind a mirror for 0.25 second causing enemy projectiles to reflect off of it sending a magic bolt off in the direction of the source damaging the first enemy struck for 40[+5 per level] (+70%AP) magic damage.

Sigil of Malice (Q): Cooldown: 5 seconds; Cost: 50 mana; Range: 700 units LeBlanc blasts the target enemy with magic dealing 40/60/80/100/120(+30%AP) magic damage and marking it with Malice for 2.5 seconds. If targets inflicted with Malice and dealt damage by Mirror Image are dealt an additional 50/75/100/125/150(+60%AP) magic damage, consuming the Malice.

LeBlanc can target a Mirror Image with Sigil of Malice to detonate it dealing 25% increased damage of Mirror Image's damage in an area.

Mirror Imagine (W): Cooldown: 8 seconds; Cost: 60/70/80/90/100 mana; Range: Global LeBlanc creates a Mirror Image of herself to the target location which lasts for the next 6/7/8/9/10 seconds. If a Mirror Image takes champion damage then they disappear and deal 80/120/160/200/240(+80%AP) magic damage to the attacker.

Mirror Images can only be damaged by champions, but will appear to take damage from other sources.

Ethereal Chains (E): Cooldown: 12/10.5/9/7.5/6 seconds; Cost: 70 mana; Range: 1000 units LeBlanc and Mirror Images unleash a magical chain in the target direction latching onto the first enemy struck, dealing 60/80/100/120/140(+60%AP) magic damage one time.

LeBlanc's chain will snare her target for 1.5 seconds. Mirror Images' chains will pull them to their target.

Mimic (R): Cooldown: 120/100/80 seconds; Cost: 100 mana; Range: Global / 550 units LeBlanc creates a Mimic of herself at her location or the location of a Mirror Image to provoke nearby enemies for 2 seconds forcing them to attack the closest target while nearby. Mimic cannot be attacked or take damage.

After 2 seconds the Mimic will explode dealing 150/250/350(+90%AP) magic damage to nearby enemies.

16 Comments

zippyHD3 votes

Your passive, W and R are stupid. I only like the Q ability, rest is shit

Stacona1 votes

"I don't like it because its different and change"

i cant move wtf1 votes

Interesting ideas, sort of zed-like with how the clone is implemented. The main thing I disagree with though is getting rid of her W. I don't think LeBlanc would be LeBlanc without W.

Stacona1 votes

Disagree, she will feel more like LeBlanc's manipulation fantasy without the dash and blink and bringing out clones and invisibility, less obnoxious to play against as well. Essentially you have to play LeBlanc for your assassin ways rather than play a re-skinned assassin that is also a ranged mage (so just the best assassin in the game because she is ranged).

So creating a true unique identity to LeBlanc makes her less of an always super safe and super strong must pick, to someone that is picked for a specific reason and is not also super strong good. Still has escape tools with the block+reflect with good timing, also brief invisibility, but is a lot more manage-able and actually gankable - because it is not fun being zoned from tower to tower against someone that is also immune to ganks because of Distortion.

i cant move wtf1 votes

Reworked LB is a mess, I agree. But I think her dash and her mimic ult (I prefer when it was one click instead of a toggle) shouldn't be changed much. I'd feel like it was a different champion without those two abilities.

Vęrtęx1 votes

W and R is LeBlanc's identity. She would also not be immune to ganks if she had to use w to do damage. How would Leblanc be in more danger when she can just create a clone of herself let it get hit and do damage?

Stacona1 votes

Karma and Heimerdinger have mimic abilities too - those are more unique than current Mimic will ever be. Honestly Distortion and Mimic are not LeBlanc's identity, they do however make it impossible to balance her. It is better to add to her theme than keep around toxic abilities and make it easier to balance for the long term.

Vęrtęx2 votes

If you don't think those abilities are LeBlanc then you don't play her. I have 200 games on her this ranked season. Do you have any?

Stacona1 votes

All that means is that you have a very bias and blind single point of view

Vęrtęx2 votes

Because LeBlanc's gameplay is to w in and out mimicking her abilities with her ult. If you change that then that's not Leblanc. So if that's being bias and "blind" then by all means I am.

nm10101 votes

W and R with that passive would actually be the most toxic combo of abilities in the game. 0 interaction wave clear with heaps of cc, low cooldowns, stealth, and outside of flanking her I really don't see how you counter play w q combos.

This combo is also her only skillful thing about her, with no mobility it would be very unlikely to get someone to attack a clone. Unless you can move them, at which point this kit becomes the most broken thing in the game.

Stacona1 votes

Mirror Images match LeBlanc's movement speed, so you can just walk away - you can eat the W damage to stop her wave clear; other wise she has powerful wave clear like every other mage, removing her mobility allows for this change.

LeBlanc commands the Mirror Image to move (or stand still) upon activation; it is not full control, but you do get one movement command for the Mirror Images upon creation. This command range is "global" because the only restriction is their current movement and duration of life.

This kit is a million times easier to balance than her current kit and past kits.

nm10102 votes

So the counter play to her wave clear and zoning abilities is to eat 240 + 80% ap nuke with a 4.5 second cd after cdr? That seems like an excellent plan, I can even have them chase people away from team fights.

God help the enemy team if they use projectiles (adcs lul) since I can spam abilities to create reflecting mirrors with stealth attached. I can only imagine the bruiser 45% cdr build, I would literally be invisible constantly while flanking with bomb loaded mimics that pull the enemy to them.

Stacona1 votes

With the alternative where every mage has very strong wave clear that you cannot stop at all

Also that mirror is so brief that there is zero persistent time - it will only reflect what is very consciously wanted to be reflected with really good timing

Also the stealth time is also super brief even with PERFECT chaining of ALL 4 abilities.

The only thing I have that be concerning would be a skill shot snare and a taunt-like ultimate. Also for damage this is why we focus on high ratios and low base values, it avoids tank builds.

I don't think you know how 45% CDR works or math for that matter.... you will get two clones and a very brief 3rd at max CDR, the CDR cap does not change this unless we playing in URF.

Also how is a very brief stealth duration more toxic than spamming a low cooldown dash and blink which can be duplicated?

Mirror Images are single target, they are only AoE when killed by Q. with Mimic becoming a long cooldown ultimate to feel more impactful and notice-able

nm10102 votes

Also that mirror is so brief that there is zero persistent time - it will only reflect what is very consciously wanted to be reflected with really good timing. Also the stealth time is also super brief even with PERFECT chaining of ALL 4 abilities.

A full rotation of spells gives 2 seconds of stealth and q w will be back up 2 seconds later, I literally could be invisible for 60% of a team fight.

I don't think you know how 45% CDR works or math for that matter.... you will get two clones and a very brief 3rd at max CDR, the CDR cap does not change this unless we playing in URF.

I like how you just said I don't know how CDR works and said something useless about the number of clones. W will have a 4.4 second cool down with a massive nuke if anyone tries to destroy it. if they don't destroy it I have a 300 + 100% ap AoE nuke,, do you see where a bruiser build could come in?

Also how is a very brief stealth duration more toxic than spamming a low cooldown dash and blink which can be duplicated?

Lul, well my friend a brief stealth + bouncing wind wall means I can't be targeted by a vast amount of champions or abilities. A dash doesn't stop an adc from 2 shoting me late game while I wait 1.5 seconds to kill them.

Mirror Images are single target, they are only AoE when killed by Q. with Mimic becoming a long cooldown ultimate to feel more impactful and notice-able

So the counter play is to have someone chunk themselves for 240 + 80% ap every 4.5 seconds? Because q is targeted 700 range ability so w is going to become AoE a lot of the time. Especially since I can w q while myself and mirror image are invisible.

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