Losing is straight up a terrible experience now.

YoungFarmer·Jan 26, 2017·105 votes·5,542 views

** Back in da day: ** On no we are losing lets play safe farm a tiny bit and a in a few minutes lets see if we can get a good fight off.

** This season: ** ok guys its 15 minutes in and their trynd is 5/0 and their syndra is 7/1 don't leave base at all or you will get 1 shot.

Like if you are losing its so fucking boring now, you can't go out from under tower at all, if one or two of your lanes are losing and you're the jungle then good luck getting any jg farm. Losing is honestly the most terrible fucking experience this season.

I have never played a game in my life that makes me feel this shitty when I lose. Rocket league you're losing you can at least still play the game Call of duty (not a good game I know) Oh shit ok teams doing bad I can still run around and get kill streaks cause i'm better than these pleebs on my team overall not a shitty losing experience.

Like honestly league is the only team game I have ever played that honestly leaves you feeling useless if your team got shit on.

127 Comments

DunkinNoobsJan 26, 201729 votes

The lesson of the day: Learn to fucking surrender. This game was over at 15 minutes; stop the pain and FF at 20. Don't make me play out another hopeless 10 minutes.

TequilaZombieJan 26, 20172 votes

Unless it's my promos, I'll always agree to a surrender vote in a losing game. But giving up in promos just feels so shitty that I won't do it unless the enemy team has multiple T2 towers and a inib while we aren't able to get any of their's.

AzuregoreJan 26, 20178 votes

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The lesson of the day: Learn to fucking surrender. This game was over at 15 minutes; stop the pain and FF at 20. Don't make me play out another hopeless 10 minutes.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2409005405/37358633?tab=overview

**Never surrender. **

EDIT: My 'teemo adc' got pissy because lux was autoing his minions and proceeded to not only AFK, but int feed after several minutes of afk. By the time he actually grew a pair and started playing nice, the enemy vayne was at lategame. So, we had singed do what singed does. Split and completely troll the enemy team while we stalled long enough for malzahar and me (warwick) to hit our late game points. By then, vayne was doing 'vayne things' which usually ended up with her dying. That alone left us with two vital targets. Corki and Viktor. Both died in seconds with a malz, lux and warwick on them. We rinse and repeated this tactic till we could secure objectives till we aced and won.

Sraeg2013Jan 26, 201712 votes

Yeah, never surrender. Maybe you'll make a comeback in the 20th game.

Too bad you spent 6 more hours of your life dealing with 19 miserable games, than you could have.

AzuregoreJan 26, 20179 votes

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Yeah, never surrender. Maybe you'll make a comeback in the 20th game.

Too bad you spent 6 more hours of your life dealing with 19 miserable games, than you could have.

Surrendering at 20 because the enemy team is ahead a few kills is plain stupid. I cant tell you how many times I've won games where my nexus was wide open for back doors, yet the enemy never did. Granted there are times when they will dive-bomb that nexus, but unless you're in diamond or higher, usually your team either 1) Stall long enough for the enemy to make massive mistakes, or 2) Your team hits a point where you can fight them head on, or 3) All of the Above. These are true especially if you are below plat/diamond.

Sraeg2013Jan 27, 20175 votes

It's never only about kills.

Many times I was able to exactly predict how even... even games would be lost at 30+ minute, based on how people were playing their lanes.

Once I was "this guy is going to make this kind of a mistake in about 10 minutes" and guess what happened? He did the exact mistake I suspected he would at that point in time and that costed us the game.

Or that other time when at 15th minute we are getting pushed around by a late game teamcomp, while we had like 3 single-target hard CC spells. The outcome was that I had to suffer in that game for 15 needless minutes, because my team was blind to the fact the only way to come back, would be for half of the enemy team to suddenly go AFK.

Yes, there are situations when you shouldn't be discouraged and keep on fighting, but knowing when to quit is also a skill.

MFTORANK1Jan 27, 20172 votes

I agree with you so much, sometimes the ennemy mid laner is 5-1 and i'm like ''okay this guy doesn't know how to position he's gonna lose his lead very quickly'' or ''Our team is way too cocky we're gonna throw and there's nothing I can do about it''. When you have enough experience you can easily anticipate the outcome. I've played this game for many years I can spot tendecies in player rather quickly.

the Anarchit3chtJan 27, 20172 votes

I don't like to surrender and I've come back from some pretty gnarly disadvantages but there's a time when you have to take a step back and think if the comeback is worth it

AninLegions777Jan 26, 20176 votes

So the game has descended so low that fun is no longer considered and giving up is encouraged? Aight. I'm getting you.

Trias000Jan 27, 20172 votes

When was this game ever fun?

KeevalroyJan 27, 201711 votes

A few years ago.

Skins ProjectJan 27, 20171 votes

Hey KeevealRoy This might just be on my end but can you find the post that you made to my comment earlier? The Tencent one. http://imgur.com/a/NTdko Because rn I get this when I try to got to it http://imgur.com/a/qTl5g

Sorry if I'm just being bothersome but I'm a bit confused.

KeevalroyJan 27, 20172 votes

The thread looks to have been deleted. Tencent must have misfired.

Skins ProjectJan 27, 20171 votes

D: YOU WERE PAIED OFF! Runs away

SteamedSuperiorJan 26, 201718 votes

It doesn't matter how well you do anymore. You can do the best in the game and still lose because your champ pick wasn't what riot has made "broken". Honestly dude just try to have as much fun as you can. I don't get mad at this game anymore. There is no point. Just enjoy the game and good things will happen. Focus on your game play and your game play alone.

MFTORANK1Jan 27, 20174 votes

Well what's nice about the cyclical balance in this game is that you can pick what's OP sure, but you can also pick the strongest counter to said OP champ. Let's say the ennemy picks Camille, well you could play Tryndamere. You can always counter what's OP because every champion in this game has a strong counter. That playstyle helped me reach gold.

Oakleaf RangerJan 27, 20171 votes

Tryndmere beats Camille, how? Don't say the cheesy ignite/exhaust + ghost.

StealWolverineJan 27, 20172 votes

Her ult is basically useless against him. His is on a shorter cd, half her kit involves her jumping on people which just puts you in range for him. He is a much better duelist than her, and his sustain is better. He wins all ins and short trades against her as she has no good poke. He can use his e to either dodge her sweep or jump on her.

Rax ReformedJan 26, 201710 votes

It's because the team that pulls ahead gets such a huge gold advantage now, that every person on their team is going to be at least a full item ahead of the team that's playing from behind. It's like entire team snowballs out of control after they take first tower. That's why you see people 5-man grouping bot lane and clearing the tower at 9-10 minutes in.

They did this to try and speed up LCS games, but all it did was kill a normal team's chance of recovering from a bad early-game.

Slich BissiJan 26, 20177 votes

Somebody doesn't remember the 100% legit Mordekaiser rape train that would come through and shit on everyone that stood in his way. And there was NOTHING you could do about it.

Papa SlothyJan 26, 20172 votes

he would just walk around bot lane, mace bitch slapping the enemy when they tried to attack him or cs

SpecterVonBarenJan 27, 20173 votes

I was playing a Kog and was under my turret with 95% of my health (Not missing, that was how much I had, I was only missing 5% of my max health) and the enemy Morde flashed onto me with his third Q and one shot me. Fuck the Juggernaut patch.

Dominick DestineJan 26, 20175 votes

Did you even play back in the day?

Evelynn could kill you in 0.2 seconds with DFG, FROM CAMO.... and it was glorious.

YasuicideJan 26, 20178 votes

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YoungFarmerJan 26, 20171 votes

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So because 1 Champion was broken we must have 20 broken champions now?

Dood only like 2 champions R even broked Right now. Jayce 1 shotting you with a Q is balanced as fuck, never seen anything more balanced in facteroni. And lets not even talk aboot how supa balanced sure she does lots of damage, but you just gotta dodge her point and cliuck ult which is EZ as fuck.

YasuicideJan 26, 20172 votes

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JoseraphJan 26, 20173 votes

Camille and Kat are new releases, and I don't recall Riven/Yasuo/Janna being huge problems

YasuicideJan 26, 20173 votes

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PlanetWarwickJan 26, 20172 votes

Trist has a stupid cc cancel too She cancels all cc for 0.25 seconds during her jump cast Riven has maybe 0.05 seconds

MLDzXnRRRJan 26, 20176 votes

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Trist has a stupid cc cancel too She cancels all cc for 0.25 seconds during her jump cast Riven has maybe 0.05 seconds

You can interrupt her jump mid cast with many abilities. Ask any thresh main.

woodvsmurphJan 26, 20172 votes

Hecarim and vi? No man. The only way those 2 are broken is if you feed the hell out of them early game. If you WARD and play safely when they are nearby, they are hardly scary. I would bully the enemy laner and force him under tower, see hec coming to gank and back off. Hec chases and fights me on my half of lane 1v1 at same level him with hp and double buff advantage, and I beat the crap out of him. Short while later, my lane is pushing out and I got the feeling hec is camping me, so I bait him into revealing himself, repeat the process and boom, he's either dead or too low to stay or do a jungle camp without dying. Hec only looked good because people would trade in lane to 150hp, not have adequate ward coverage, and let hec ghost and e to 1 shot them and get fed off kills. And vi? Yeah she can have a ton of damage early, but she's also very squishy - especially if she goes warrior into tri-force. If you hug tower (as a squishy), don't stay in lane with no hp so she can kill you with an ult plus q, and use wards she isn't going to snowball hard early... making her manageable all game. If you are a bruiser/fighter top or jungle, you chunk down your lane opponent, eat vi ult, then wreck her or lane opponent when ult ends. If you can, get the double kill; if not, take the single kill and kite away to tower. Vi isn't going to want to camp for a lane where she's trading 1 for 1 in a situation where she should get a 1 for 0.

YasuicideJan 27, 20171 votes

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woodvsmurphJan 28, 20171 votes

hecarim cannot 1-shot anyone late game unless he builds tons of damage items. Can he 1v1 an adc or mid? maybe... depends on the adc/mid. But never in the game will a hecarim 1 shot with triforce as his only damage item (that's his typical build -- rest is tank items, maybe a warriors). The only way he 1shots is if he's got multiple damage items and is WAY fed. Also, watch the map... who was late to lane first jungle clear? Top? Guess their jungler started that side... bot? Guess they leashed for their jungler... where could he possibly go next? Not hard to figure out... either he went to your buff across the river from that buff where he started, or he went towards other side of his jungle. Play accordingly.

Vi hit 6? Either you have deep wards to spot her well before she reaches lane, or you play close enough to tower that you can run to it before her ult locks you down. She will die to tower if she tries to solo you with ult under your tower. If her teammates help her, you hopefully have flash to drag her further back under tower when she presses ult on you... delaying the time her teammate(s) can reach you and help her. You live long enough to return some damage. Also, most vi's will hesitate to tower dive you very early into game. And if you have adequate wards, you can have jungle or another lane collapse and get a reply kill. She will think twice about ulting you after that. Also, abuse the crap out of your lane opponent and/or enemy vi when she has used her ult because it has a long cd. If you are not hanging out with 0 vision by your lane and at half hp, vi isn't going to 1-shot even with the help of another person. Finally, you can try to guess who she will focus and have your jungler play to that side as well as that lane play more defensively. Ex: immobile mid vs a yasuo or some assassin? Looks like a promising lane for vi to gank. 2 squishies bot lane vs enemy with hard cc and burst? Bet vi will focus that lane because it's easy to kill locked-down squishies. In champ select, you see an enemy vi? Pick laners with cc or solid escaped and who can build some durability.

YoungFarmerJan 26, 20175 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l66rALkE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-26T15:30:40.188+0000)

Did you even play back in the day?

can kill you in 0.2 seconds with , FROM CAMO.... and it was kind of poopy.

There I fixed it for you bra :D

agbudarJan 27, 20175 votes

increasing death timers is whats causing the massive lopside in advantage a winning team has.

previous seasons you would be 1-2 lvls ahead.

now you are easily 3-5 lvls ahead.

salty testiJan 27, 20175 votes

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agbudarJan 28, 20171 votes

ow dont forget who ever gets first tower blood has a whopping 73% winrate.

ZT XperimentorJan 27, 20172 votes

Don't forget the couple thousand gold advantage from farm and the tower.

KudrovJan 27, 20173 votes

its even worst for peoples who actualy played other season were towers was actualy something in the game ... now tower are the big bag of money waiting to be collected... lets be frank who is still in fear of diving ? nobody ever anymore.

and when you have some morons who don't want to surrender when your 3 inhibs are down and the enemy team still have all thier towers up ... i mean if you don't surrender in theses moments .. please uninstall the game asap.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 27, 20172 votes

In games you can still lose. Like CoD? You're gonna lose. Whatever. You can still play the damn game though. League you're gonna lose because that person snowballed and is fed. That's fine. You should lose w/e. But you almost can't even play anymore. It's miserable.

The TrentJan 27, 20171 votes

I love it when new players, who have played the game for like 3 years, think they know everything about leagues histroy

LupusAkiraJan 27, 20174 votes

Please realize that playing the game for 3 years is a crazy amount of game experience compared to other games.

The TrentJan 27, 20171 votes

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Please realize that playing the game for 3 years is a crazy amount of game experience compared to other games.

Please realize that if you got hurt by the truth, you should at least come up with a good comeback.

LupusAkiraJan 28, 20171 votes

4 other people seem to like it and 6 people seem to think that your condescending comment about players who haven't been playing since season 1 or 2 is kinda unfair.

The TrentJan 29, 20171 votes

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4 other people seem to like it and 6 people seem to think that your condescending comment about players who haven't been playing since season 1 or 2 is kinda unfair.

I don't care if other people don't like what I'm saying. They're probably not from season 1 or 2, and they're probably just butthurt by my comment. Idk why you're so desperate to the point that you have to rely on my downvotes to insult me.

Also if you're going to bring my comment rating into this, I have 900+ lifetime upvotes, you have 100.

LupusAkiraJan 29, 20171 votes

"probably" I'm not insulting you and I'm not desperate. I'm only pointing out that perhaps you should reassess your position. Also 900+ life-time votes does not make you correct about everything you comment. Even though you have that many votes it does not mean you can't be wrong about something. You are gold 5. Now ask yourself. "Is it possible that there is someone out there that started playing in season 4 and they are higher ranked than me?" Surely this is so. You can also anticipate that some of those people may believe that this season is out of whack based off their experience with seasons 4-7. All of my comments so far have been genuine there is no malice or "sas" in my previous comments. The last comment was just matter o fact and a little blunt.

The TrentJan 29, 20171 votes

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"probably" I'm not insulting you and I'm not desperate. I'm only pointing out that perhaps you should reassess your position. Also 900+ life-time votes does not make you correct about everything you comment. Even though you have that many votes it does not mean you can't be wrong about something. You are gold 5. Now ask yourself. "Is it possible that there is someone out there that started playing in season 4 and they are higher ranked than me?" Surely this is so. You can also anticipate that some of those people may believe that this season is out of whack based off their experience with seasons 4-7. All of my comments so far have been genuine there is no malice or "sas" in my previous comments. The last comment was just matter o fact and a little blunt.

Thanks for falling into my trap. You literally countered yourself for me. If 900+ life-time votes doesn't make me correct about everything I comment, 6 downvotes much certaintly not me that I'm wrong about what I commented. I am gold 5, because I take breaks when I have things like school or track/ cross-country. You know, two things much bigger than this game. Also, someone who started in season 4 might have a higher rank than me, but I've been to diamond before. This whole boards thing is talking about the before, and the now. Considering you're a unranked, you really should stay away from things you have no idea about lmao.

LupusAkiraJan 29, 20171 votes

Your "trap" isn't really a trap. admiralackbar.jpg You fail to see what I'm saying. YES it matters if what you comment is getting down votes.It means that someone else scrolled along and took issue or dissagred with it. Your profile shows your life-time upvotes but not you lifetime down votes. Your overall condescending tone doesnt do anything for your arguments. They just make you come off as a jerk. I'm actually not unranked. I was silver II last season. What is your actual argument? Is it that people who didn't play since season 1 or 2 can't have an opinion? Here is what you originally said: "I love it when new players, who have played the game for like 3 years, think they know everything about leagues history." Ok first off "new players" is not an accurate term for someone who has played for 3 years. A new player is someone who started playing this month. Second "think they know everything about leagues history" so you're a mind reader are you? Is it not also possible that those "new players" have gone back and looked at seasons passed? YouTube is a library of information on league that you can observe and see the difference of "then" and "now". Your original has no leg to stand on. It is only an opinion. It is not rooted in fact.

I'm going to clue you in on a little something.

At the end of season one League had 15 million registered players. In 2014 a number of 27 million registered users played at least one game a day. And Over 67 million users played every month. That was season four. So are you saying that anyone who joined after 2010 (season two) have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to ranked play? Because by saying this you are saying only roughly 4% of players (if those users are even still active) are allowed to say anything on the matter.

Also who cares about seasons 1 - 3? League of legends peaked in user count in season four. Should we not base the balance of the game when it was most popular? Why would seasons one through three matter when we are talking about the state of the game in season seven?

Likes and dislikes aside. The reason I replied to your first comment was because it was:

Short sighted (you didn't really think about what you were saying or its implications)
Unfair (for reasons I've listed above)
A statement made only to boast about playing in the earlier seasons. (I played league before it was cool!)

The reason people disagreed with you here is because the majority of players in this game are not from season 1 or 2. That DOES NOT mean they do not know anything about leagues' history or previous seasons gameplay. You could easily google anything you wanted to know on the subject and for all you know they have. I would however wager that most of them are referring to season four. When the game's user count peaked.

The TrentJan 29, 20171 votes

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Your "trap" isn't really a trap. admiralackbar.jpg You fail to see what I'm saying. YES it matters if what you comment is getting down votes.It means that someone else scrolled along and took issue or dissagred with it. Your profile shows your life-time upvotes but not you lifetime down votes. Your overall condescending tone doesnt do anything for your arguments. They just make you come off as a jerk. I'm actually not unranked. I was silver II last season. What is your actual argument? Is it that people who didn't play since season 1 or 2 can't have an opinion? Here is what you originally said: "I love it when new players, who have played the game for like 3 years, think they know everything about leagues history." Ok first off "new players" is not an accurate term for someone who has played for 3 years. A new player is someone who started playing this month. Second "think they know everything about leagues history" so you're a mind reader are you? Is it not also possible that those "new players" have gone back and looked at seasons passed? YouTube is a library of information on league that you can observe and see the difference of "then" and "now". Your original has no leg to stand on. It is only an opinion. It is not rooted in fact.

I'm going to clue you in on a little something.

At the end of season one League had 15 million registered players. In 2014 a number of 27 million registered users played at least one game a day. And Over 67 million users played every month. That was season four. So are you saying that anyone who joined after 2010 (season two) have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to ranked play? Because by saying this you are saying only roughly 4% of players (if those users are even still active) are allowed to say anything on the matter.

Also who cares about seasons 1 - 3? League of legends peaked in user count in season four. Should we not base the balance of the game when it was most popular? Why would seasons one through three matter when we are talking about the state of the game in season seven?

Likes and dislikes aside. The reason I replied to your first comment was because it was:

Short sighted (you didn't really think about what you were saying or its implications)

Unfair (for reasons I've listed above)

A statement made only to boast about playing in the earlier seasons. (I played league before it was cool!)

The reason people disagreed with you here is because the majority of players in this game are not from season 1 or 2. That DOES NOT mean they do not know anything about leagues' history or previous seasons gameplay. You could easily google anything you wanted to know on the subject and for all you know they have. I would however wager that most of them are referring to season four. When the game's user count peaked.

Too long; didn't read

SchmobieJan 29, 20173 votes

Hey there TrentonGW! 4% S1/S2 weeb here (iamthe4%.jpg). Just dropping by to give my two cents. I'll try to keep it nice and short so I don't lose your attention. <3

The game has changed dramatically since S1/S2. The game is heavily centered around team play and the snowball effect. Much more than it used to be. Rito made sure of it with the growing popularity of Esports. They want to make the game fun and interesting to watch. Unfortunately, this makes it more and more difficult to play ranked solo/duo queue. A permanent drake buff that doesn't expire? A Rift Herald buff that can last over half the match? Not only a baron buff but also a true damage elder dragon buff for the whole team? This just reeks of a snowball effect. Getting one buff makes it easier to get the next one and the next one and the next one. Back in the day there was just baron, and the dragon only gave your team gold. With that gold you could buy more items and makes it easier to win, sure, but it always came back to skill. But now the possibility of getting three infernal drakes for a 24% increase in AP/AD among other buffs? There is absolutely no item that can give you that kind of a buff. Once an enemy team can start gathering these buffs it makes it such an incredible struggle for you and your team to keep up.

Sure there is the possibility of your team to come back, but that's just it, it requires a team, now more than ever. And unless you play semi-competitively with a group of your friends where you practice often to win games, the game is not the same it used to be back in the day. This is one of the reasons why the game has been dropping off in popularity. It's no fun to get absolutely rofl stomped. I tell my friends this game is pretty much get rofl stomped or rofl stomp the enemy team, and honestly it's not too fun for a lot of people to just rofl stomp the enemy team. It's like beating a high school football team with the Patriots. It doesn't seem like a challenge. And it is certainly not fun at all to get rofl stomped with almost no chance of coming back. No one likes that helpless feeling. And I'm not even going to talk about how much more toxic this community has gotten over the years...

I can honestly say with my 3,000+ games played that the frequency of having an actual good game ("gg") becomes more and more infrequent as time goes on. It's very unfortunate after so many years of playing this game that it's going in the direction that it is for trying to climb the elo ladder.

RIP Rito