Shaco didn't actually get any more counterplay, he's just harder to do well with

Big Lincoln··7 votes·755 views

Q change just raises his CD and guts the stealth, because Riot doesn't like gankers but we also want to suppress farming the jungle.

why didn't you just give him a more noticeable tell? you can barely hear the laugh when he stealths; turn the volume up on it, make the orange cloud bigger so he isn't as cheesy, make him more noticeable. none of the issues people had with him are actually solved; it's just harder for him to pull it off in the first few levels.

E feels terrible as an execute, honestly. he has nothing except auto attacks now, and his poke is neutered so he's even worse in teamfights. It's still a targeted nuke, but it's now only a nuke if you're close to death.

i still haven't gotten the triple box to work once for me in a small few games. as soon as the clone dies one of them eats a random spell or they get AoE'd and pop instantly.

as an aside i'm pretty sure thunderlord's isn't working properly on him; I am CERTAIN that I land a backstab Q, AA, then E, and i will not get the TLD proc unless I throw another auto in

who the hell reworked Shaco so terribly? lol

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TequilaZombie6 votes

Shaco wans't reworked, he was nerfed.

Riot said they'd remove some of his early power, but would make up for it with a better late game and more tools to outplay. Then they proceeded to take away his: Passive damage, Q damage and early CD, E damage, low level ganks and invades, and jungle clearing ability. But in exchange gave him: Gimmick ult boxes, poor execution tool, sligthly longer stealth at late game.

IMO a really unfair trade.

Big Lincoln2 votes

i feel like his late game is markedly worse than before. Or at least, I still fall off like a rock once the enemy catches up in items

now if you take the splitpush build your damage to champions is noticeably worse

I hate that his passive scales instead of being a flat value. not having the full damage until level 18 feels like shit

TequilaZombie3 votes

They also nerfed his split push capacity. Clone only deals 35% dmg to turrets now, boxes tank a single hit and deal only 50% damage.

Even for split pushing he's not that great anymore.

JhomasTefferson3 votes

yeah, the execute on it should scale with rank, not with level.

WhaiiSoSerious2 votes

IDK but I'm sad.

Honestly been trolling all day in that new dominion map.

Shaco was the champ I choose when LoL kind of got boring.

Dont' wanna sound like a broken record but I really hope that they fix Shaco.

Riot, fix our Shaco.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

he just. does no damage. old shaco Q backstab did far more damage. I'd argue that i like his New Q stealth. as its longer and he seems to have less mana issues for me.

his E is an execute which if someone is low. the damage is decent. but it needs to be a little more. up the damage on Q or passive. and E. and shaco is good.

they pretty much just nerfed him even tho hes a little more fun to play as. just gotta work on his numbers. up the E base damage so maxing it does something. and buff the Q damage and/or passive amplifier as well.

Tavish1 votes

I think people are underestimating Full AP Shaco, and how frustrating he can be to play against. His "W, Q, E, run back to the box so no one can trade with you", classic AP shaco play is better. I don't think he is a jungle anymore though, that is for sure.

Big Lincoln1 votes

tho keep in mind ap shaco is very strong when it comes to single target burst

i'd still like to see some buffs, his AD build is extremely subpar if not outright bad

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