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"Fiora is weak early game"

Dasdi96··4 votes·2,035 views

That is if she is laning against a melee bully like Darius Rengar , but if she is against a tank, she can complete invalidate the tank from the game.

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doodlebob6662 votes

she doesn't even lose to darius its a skill matchup you need a pantheon level of early game to actually abuse her early game, even renekton doesn't do that well against her

IcyPepper2 votes

She has a 51.4% win rate against him. Not a significant gap. I'd inclined to agree with you to some degree.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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She has a 51.4% win rate against him. Not a significant gap...

The gap still exists.

Ralanr2 votes

And she'll Q over it.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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And she'll Q over it.

'It' isn't very specific. Define 'it'. And define why her 'Q'ing over it is better than Fizz Q over 'it'.

IcyPepper1 votes

And? The purpose of my comment was to give the other guy some supporting evidence.

A 51.4% win rate against one champion is a soft counter at best, if even that.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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And? The purpose of my comment was to give the other guy some supporting evidence.

A 51.4% win rate against one champion is a soft counter at best, if even that.

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she doesn't even lose to darius its a skill matchup you need a pantheon level of early game to actually abuse her early game, even renekton doesn't do that well against her

Where in there did you not see

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she doesn't even lose to darius its a skill matchup

Or are you talking about

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you need a pantheon level of early game to actually abuse her early game

IcyPepper1 votes

I thought he meant as some kind of counter, it's obviously a hyperbole (if you took his comment literally, she should have a 100% win rate).

Picking Darius against Fiora isn't an automatic lose condition, compared to say.... Mundo or Fizz.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I thought he meant as some kind of counter, it's obviously a hyperbole (if you took his comment literally, she should have a 100% win rate).

Picking Darius against Fiora isn't an automatic lose condition, compared to say.... Mundo or Fizz.

He clearly said they went 50-50?

Ralanr2 votes

Granted she's a counterpick to tanks. But it is kinda bullshit.

IcyPepper1 votes

Seems she counters bruisers harder. Just beefy champions in general, really.

archerno12 votes

Not really. Poppy works well vs her early. She can deny Fioras lunges, has high base damage and high base stats. Also i had a lot of success against her as Shen. Her W cant stun Shen when he taunts, because he appears behind her

Marshbouy1 votes

Poppy is more of a bruiser warden i'm really tanky but I still peel incredibly well while dealing pretty respectable damage kind of champion.

Ralanr1 votes

High CC fighter basically. Which at this point, is basically why people play her.

chipndip11 votes

She hurts EARLY, much like Galio. She becomes more defensive as the game progresses.

Marshbouy1 votes

She still hits pretty hard late game for a tank.

chipndip11 votes

I mean, if she bought IBG AND slams you into a wall for a full rotation, then this sort of passes as a point?

Marshbouy1 votes

I play her and I buy item 3071 and sometimesitem 3025 . She hits pretty hard late game for a tank. I'm not just some QQing asshole i promise.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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That is if she is laning against a melee bully like Darius Rengar , but if she is against a tank, she can complete invalidate the tank from the game.

Rammus Sejuani

Excuse me?

Crett1 votes

Sion crying softly

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Sion crying softly

I've seen Sion as built as a bruiser. Doesn't matter what the game wants him to be. Ashe being a secondary support doesn't automatically mean Rito designed her as both.

Crett1 votes

bruiser or not she can dodge or parry anything Sion uses and then tear him to shreds. you might hit her with your W but she'll probably pop it before that QQ

ive only beaten her by maxing E lmao

rtbf2216514121 votes

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bruiser or not she can dodge or parry anything Sion uses and then tear him to shreds

Well Sion is a bad champion design to begin with in this meta so...

Crett1 votes

i actually think sion's pretty well designed. it's just that in a 1v1 environment there's pretty much nothing he can do to touch fiora, which makes sense tbh

but i wish the lane wasn't so hellish

rtbf2216514121 votes

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i actually think sion's pretty well designed. it's just that in a 1v1 environment there's pretty much nothing he can do to touch fiora, which makes sense tbh

but i wish the lane wasn't so hellish

He has a passive that can be cced into nothingness. What about that design is great? He would need slight tenacity increase because otherwise his passive is just useless. Not to mention you kinda don't want to die in the first place. Even Zacs passive is more useful (have to targeted 4 things), and it revives him.

Crett1 votes

I don't especially adore Sion's passive (though I love the thematic of it) but it has it's moments thanks to it's zone control (specifically when contesting objectives). I agree it's pretty situational. I try to look at Sion's W passive as his real passive, makes me feel better when I haven't even died in a game lmao

I would be happy to see a new Sion passive so I can agree with you there. It'd be cool if they could find a way to make it's idea more satisfying

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I don't especially adore Sion's passive (though I love the thematic of it) but it has it's moments thanks to it's zone control (specifically when contesting objectives)

I would be happy to see a new Sion passive so I can agree with you there. It'd be cool if they could find a way to make it's idea more satisfying

I wish his Q knockup didn't take so long either. You can just walk out of it. Other than that, he seems fine. I guess.

Crett1 votes

Ahhh I'd argue that his Q is fine as it is. It's a pretty damaging stun in a pretty respectable area of effect. Once again it's great for zone control, just the threat of it can control enemy positioning really well and can make Sion really scary to maneuver around.

That being said, I think it's really really dumb whenever it's interrupted in any way. It leaves him with almost no options

Marshbouy1 votes

Too bad it's usually lane bullies being played in the top lane then.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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That is if she is laning against a melee bully like Darius Rengar , but if she is against a tank, she can complete invalidate the tank from the game.

That's just so untrue.

Did a Fiora just beat you in lane and now you're tilted?

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