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So u nerfed the shit out the conqueror because ?????

jng dif victim··3 votes·2,098 views

https://res.cloudinary.com/dolstrmxz/image/upload/v1553419290/tryndamere.jpg Hey Guys. i dont wanna rant or anything.im just wondered. look at my last match in the picture. i dont want to talk about my inting botlane or anything about losing the game and the elo diffrence and etc.... NO. i want to talk about conqueror. i know GRASP is an early game keystone which is pretty strong but it fells off during mid-late game and conqueror is a scaling rune that allows u to fight with the Tanks because of the true damage it gives u but its so weak early game vs Grasp.actually Grasp is for short trades and conqueror should beat grasp in extended trades right? ok. in my last match even tho that volibear had grasp i killed with outplaying him because of some mistakes he did early game and got 3 solo kills on him but somehow because of his team he could catch up on gold&EXP(because my team was losing i had to go to help my team and he got some free farm and turret). NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT PART I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS: about 23 minutes of that game. i went for 1v1 that volibear. a TANK with grasp. and me a tryndamere which is one of the best duelists in the game WITH CONQUEROR. in that moment i had tiamat+zerkes+BORK+Rageblade+ER(3 core AD items) and he had Sunfire+Randuin's Omen+Spear of shojin+Ninja Tabi(only 2 ARMOR items). so i built my rage on minions and i fully stacked my rageblade and i slowed him and i procced my conqueror almost in 1 second he fighted me back and he WON 1v1 against full rage full ragebladestack conqueror activated Tryndamere . A TANK with ONLY 2 armor items with GRASP won 1v1. he didnt even kite me during my ult we were fighting for almost 8 seconds i think and he didnt kite me at all i was attacking him with full conqueror + rageblade + bork stacks for 8 fucking seconds and i couldnt kill him. in THAT point which those items im suppose to melt a 2 armor item TANK i should melt him not even winning melting him but i lost 1v1. SO Guys if grasp is better early game and after 23 minutes conqueror doesnt scale (BECAUSE they nerfed the shit out of the conqueror and they didnt touch FUCKING OP TANK items) whats the point of taking conqueror at all then? RIOT? just remove that keystone if u dont like it u dont need to nerf the shit out of him and make it unplayable except for some certain champions(riven etc ...). just remove it. u know how disgusting u feel? When u are full damage with armor penetration and anti-tank items with conqueror ON Tryndamere and u cant 1v1 a fucking tank that doesnt even try to kite u during u ult? FML. i mean even JAX and Vayne that are the best duelist in the game Right Now they have to Kite tryndamere during his ult because of his insane damage but he didnt even kite me he didnt even NEED to kite me. in season 8 with old conqueror and old IE we could have almost 30% true damage and now its only 10% (which very very very big nerf) because there was alot of damage in the game riot said. but the only damage nerfed was for us and bruisers. TANK's Damage didnt get nerfed. Mages damages(Ahri/Annie/Vladmir...) Damages didnt get nerfed. there is still so much damage in the game and the only thing u did was nerfing the shit out the bruisers and specially tryndamere that has 47% winrate right now even with the buff he recieved just imagine with this game i showed u how much u destroyed bruisers.

27 Comments

Eedat7 votes

Volibear is not a tank. He is a fighter who also excels at long fights

jng dif victim1 votes

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Volibear is not a tank. He is a fighter who also excels at long fights

Voli bear with OMEN and Sunfire is a TANK not a fighter. its like i build thornmail on tryndamere and say hey im a fighter no im not if i build thornmail on tryndamere im a tank not a fighter anymore . i feel so sad about u guys i think u dont know anything about the game u just want to disagree with anyone who is speaking about his champ that got fucked but u already dont like that champion but u also dont have any knowledge about the game so u just come and downvote the Thread and say BUT VOLIBEAR IS IN THE FIGHTER COLLECTION HE IS SUPPOSED TO BEAT UR ASS LATE GAME 1v1 EVEN IF HE TAKE GRASP AND BUILD FULL TANK. i bet u dont even know what kiting is .

Eedat5 votes

WRONG. Volibear is a fighter, specifically a juggernaut. Is Darius magically a tank once he builds his deadmans too? Hell no lol

Then you just say everyone who disagrees with you has no idea what they're talking about when in reality it's you that has no fucking clue. VOLIBEAR IS NOT A TANK. Neither is Mundo or Darius or Yorick or Nasus or Udyr just because they build defensive items. He lacks the utility of a tank and his kit focuses almost entirely on doing damage. Juggernauts give up mobility and utility in exchange for raw damage and being sturdy. But you don't actually give a fuck because like the vast majority of OTPs, you only give a fuck about your champion being as strong as possible and nothing else matters.

jng dif victim1 votes

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WRONG. Volibear is a fighter, specifically a juggernaut. Is Darius magically a tank once he builds his deadmans too? Hell no lol

Then you just say everyone who disagrees with you has no idea what they're talking about when in reality it's you that has no fucking clue. VOLIBEAR IS NOT A TANK. Neither is Mundo or Darius or Yorick or Nasus or Udyr just because they build defensive items. He lacks the utility of a tank and his kit focuses almost entirely on doing damage. Juggernauts give up mobility and utility in exchange for raw damage and being sturdy. But you don't actually give a fuck because like the vast majority of OTPs, you only give a fuck about your champion being as strong as possible and nothing else matters.

ok i think u cant understand complicated things let me say it simple alright? Search for "OUTSCALING" in league of legend and see what is it. Tryndamere supposed to outscale volibear also conqueror outscales Grasp keystone. that means tryndamere with coqueror should hard hard beat GRASP volibear in 25 minutes of the game if he is not behind. u understand now?

MrFawknSunshine3 votes

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ok i think u cant understand complicated things let me say it simple alright? Search for "OUTSCALING" in league of legend and see what is it. Tryndamere supposed to outscale volibear also conqueror outscales Grasp keystone. that means tryndamere with coqueror should hard hard beat GRASP volibear in 25 minutes of the game if he is not behind. u understand now?

the items you build in a certain game does not classify a champ

volibear isnt a tank regardless of the items he builds , he at the heart of it is a fighter, with his passive and his % miss hp on W.

conqueror was over tuned. you lose to volibear cuz you have zero armor pen and zero crit on a champ who scales with crit it has nothing to do with conqueror.

jng dif victim1 votes

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the items you build in a certain game does not classify a champ

volibear isnt a tank regardless of the items he builds , he at the heart of it is a fighter, with his passive and his % miss hp on W.

conqueror was over tuned. you lose to volibear cuz you have zero armor pen and zero crit on a champ who scales with crit it has nothing to do with conqueror.

What are u talking about ??? are u trolling me ? no armor pen? read rageblade passive . NO anti-tank item? read Blade of the ruined king passive which get 2x with rageblade fully stacked. no crit? tryndamere has 50% crit chance and if u read ER passive i had 75% crit at that moment. u dont even know champions/items passive man u cant give opinion on this srsly stop it

Eedat1 votes

Yup keep trying to insult my intelligence because you can't grasp what a juggernaut is. Sorry, unlike yourself I can tell the difference. There is absolutely zero rule that says Tryndamere outscales every champion in the game by 20 minutes. Like are you serious? Maybe try getting a Mortal Reminder next time? Or are you gonna tell me that your 6.5% − 15% armor pen from rageblade is all you need to automatically invalidate 250 armor?

heroikc5 votes

Because it was broken in stage one and overtuned and abused by mages change two. Tanks deserved a chance to live. Also, Voli is a juggernaut; a fighter. You should have spent more building item 3033 to deal with his passive, armor, and grasp and not item 3508. In summary, you did not optimize item build. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

jng dif victim1 votes

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Because it was broken in stage one and overtuned and abused by mages change two. Tanks deserved a chance to live. Also, Voli is a juggernaut; a fighter. You should have spent more building item 3033 to deal with his passive, armor, and grasp and not item 3508. In summary, you did not optimize item build. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Are u trying to teach me how to play tryndamere? i played tryndamere more then u played league of legends. my items are fine. in s8 no tank could handle me with these items. juggernut? i have ignite are u blind? u know what** ignite** does? do u even play top lane? no one build mortal reminder first item its kinda 5-6 item. ER ? after changes its the best item for the tryndamere for its stats. passive is irrevelant. TAKE GRASP??? TAKE grasp As TRYNDAMERE vs A champion that builds so much armor? are u high ? wtf people in boards doesnt have any idea how the game works srsly. can a top laner bruiser main(high elo) answer me here ?

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

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Are u trying to teach me how to play tryndamere? i played tryndamere more then u played league of legends. my items are fine. in s8 no tank could handle me with these items. juggernut? i have ignite are u blind? u know what** ignite** does? do u even play top lane? no one build mortal reminder first item its kinda 5-6 item. ER ? after changes its the best item for the tryndamere for its stats. passive is irrevelant. TAKE GRASP??? TAKE grasp As TRYNDAMERE vs A champion that builds so much armor? are u high ? wtf people in boards doesnt have any idea how the game works srsly. can a top laner bruiser main(high elo) answer me here ?

well idk about using grasp vs a "tank" ( fyi once again volibear isnt a tank ) but considering that he did build alot of armor the magic damage from grasp would be more effective due to the lack of MR he has.

and yes i know tryn gets crit based on fury but its still an rng. if you build more crit chance and crit multiplier you do more damage item 3031

building item 3508 dont seem ideal any more on tryn , get item 3161 to get the passive buffs as far as item 3124 does give some armor pen 6 + 0.5 per champ lvl isnt a lot. at lvl 18 that is 6+9 for 15% which is still less then item 3033 plus mortal reduces voliebear's passive healing has more AD and more armor pen.

so maybe just maybe you didnt build as optimal for the match up as you think. item 3153 is fine. but there are other items that could of made you more effective vs Volibear

maybe a build of item 3153 item 3031 item 3033 item 3161 instead of item 3153 item 3124 item 3508

jng dif victim1 votes

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well idk about using grasp vs a "tank" ( fyi once again volibear isnt a tank ) but considering that he did build alot of armor the magic damage from grasp would be more effective due to the lack of MR he has.

and yes i know tryn gets crit based on fury but its still an rng. if you build more crit chance and crit multiplier you do more damage item 3031

building item 3508 dont seem ideal any more on tryn , get item 3161 to get the passive buffs as far as item 3124 does give some armor pen 6 + 0.5 per champ lvl isnt a lot. at lvl 18 that is 6+9 for 15% which is still less then item 3033 plus mortal reduces voliebear's passive healing has more AD and more armor pen.

so maybe just maybe you didnt build as optimal for the match up as you think. item 3153 is fine. but there are other items that could of made you more effective vs Volibear

maybe a build of item 3153 item 3031 item 3033 item 3161 instead of item 3153 item 3124 item 3508

Ok. my whole point of this thread was talking about conqueror and how shitty it is after the nerfs but i think i have to teach some tryndamere here. first of all Spear of Shojin is the worst item u can build on tryndamere RIOT even removed that item from tryndamere's recommended items in shop because how shitty it is for tryndamere. second of all i know every challenger tryndamere and i learned tryndamere from them "Mortal Reminder" is not an item u build on tryndamere even if u are vs soraka or voli or anything since u have so much burst + ignite and overall mortal reminder sucks. Magic damage on Grasp PROC? WWHAAAAAAT? in late game ur fight will last like 8 seconds if u get lucky u get only 2 grasp procs and u know how much magic damage it is ? its not even 100 damage when ur enemy has +3k HP. what??? in that game i already beated him early game grasp is for early game for short trades and because im very good player i outplayed him early game so i didnt need grasp so i took conqueror to outscale him even harder with the true damage but since riot nerfed the shit out of conqueror 10% is like nothing i cant burst his half health during my ult when my ignite is on him meanwhile that he has only 2 armor items. dude i cant have this conversation with u . u are not a top laner for sure not a high elo player and ofc not a tryndamere player u dont know anything man my point from this thread is not my build or tryndamere is fucking conqueror i was dominating tanks in s8 and before with conqueror and this build but i cant anymore because conqueror is shit now. The reason that splitpushers like tryndamere and jax and fiora are supposed to easily 1v1 any tanks in game is because tanks are so useful in team fights and split pushers are so useless in fights unless they are super fed the only talent they have is split pushing thats why they have to be able to outscale and win 1v1 every tank late game so they can pressure.

MrFawknSunshine5 votes

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Ok. my whole point of this thread was talking about conqueror and how shitty it is after the nerfs but i think i have to teach some tryndamere here. first of all Spear of Shojin is the worst item u can build on tryndamere RIOT even removed that item from tryndamere's recommended items in shop because how shitty it is for tryndamere. second of all i know every challenger tryndamere and i learned tryndamere from them "Mortal Reminder" is not an item u build on tryndamere even if u are vs soraka or voli or anything since u have so much burst + ignite and overall mortal reminder sucks. Magic damage on Grasp PROC? WWHAAAAAAT? in late game ur fight will last like 8 seconds if u get lucky u get only 2 grasp procs and u know how much magic damage it is ? its not even 100 damage when ur enemy has +3k HP. what??? in that game i already beated him early game grasp is for early game for short trades and because im very good player i outplayed him early game so i didnt need grasp so i took conqueror to outscale him even harder with the true damage but since riot nerfed the shit out of conqueror 10% is like nothing i cant burst his half health during my ult when my ignite is on him meanwhile that he has only 2 armor items. dude i cant have this conversation with u . u are not a top laner for sure not a high elo player and ofc not a tryndamere player u dont know anything man my point from this thread is not my build or tryndamere is fucking conqueror i was dominating tanks in s8 and before with conqueror and this build but i cant anymore because conqueror is shit now. The reason that splitpushers like tryndamere and jax and fiora are supposed to easily 1v1 any tanks in game is because tanks are so useful in team fights and split pushers are so useless in fights unless they are super fed the only talent they have is split pushing thats why they have to be able to outscale and win 1v1 every tank late game so they can pressure.

i have played since season 2 mained top lane .

you cant use item 3508 after they changed it and created item 3161 on Tryndamere . the passive when you ult on spear allows you to get more dps in that window which is when you have 100% fury for crit to max your damage.

s8 and this season are two different seasons it dont matter what you did in season 8, it has changed the fact that you fail to realize this is why you lose to volibear.

jax is a great fighter /duelist who in prolonged fights even better who has the ability to split push. that isnt his primary objective however. and jax still scales , fiora is a joke of a champ. and for the most part your precious lil Tryndamere is a stat check champ that relies on an rng to win.

you want to insult any one who dont agree with you. you want to act like you are the best fuckin player to ever play this game and let me tell you , youre shit just like the other 95% of the player base.

and as far as "learning from the best" apparently there are things you missed. but then again if i go and learn from tom brady on how to be the best professional QB ever dont mean have the skills or talent to do it.

but once again your build wasnt good vs volibear , you had no healing reduction, no real armor pen.

you claim he had 2 armor items but he had 3 , and 2 of those directly reduce the damage from Tryndamere

his items were item 3068 for 60 armor 425 hp item 3143 60 armor 400 hp item 3047 20 armor for a total of 140 bonus armor not including the crit reduction damage, AS debuff and the 12% damage reduction from autos. his base armor is 35-95

so lets say he is lvl 16 he gets 86 base armor + 140+ and most likely he took the armor defensive runes giving another +12 armor so now we are at a total of 238 armor and you think item 3124 passive of armor pen % of 6= 0.5 per lvl is going to do anything to that?

now lets factor in his passive which scales on his hp When Volibear's health drops Health icon below 30% of his maximum health he regenerates Health icon 30% of his maximum health over 6 seconds. and he built item 3065 which increases this by another 30% so lvl 16 voli again has 1829 base hp + 425+400+450 +250 +200 ( not including runes ) gives him 3554 hp and when he triggers his passive he regens 1066 hp(+another 30% from spirit visage) and you dont think its worth building any fukin grievous wounds ?

legit item 3033 would give 25% armor pen which is higher then the 14% you had at lvl 16 with item 3124 plus it would reduce his healing in his passive to make it possible to kill him easier.

OH and as far as you being high elo : YOURE NOT . gold in flex, plat last season when we know last season was boosted as fuk when all the previous 2 seasons bronze and silver. so dont dare try to use that as your argument to try to defend your bullshit

heroikc2 votes

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Are u trying to teach me how to play tryndamere? i played tryndamere more then u played league of legends. my items are fine. in s8 no tank could handle me with these items. juggernut? i have ignite are u blind? u know what** ignite** does? do u even play top lane? no one build mortal reminder first item its kinda 5-6 item. ER ? after changes its the best item for the tryndamere for its stats. passive is irrevelant. TAKE GRASP??? TAKE grasp As TRYNDAMERE vs A champion that builds so much armor? are u high ? wtf people in boards doesnt have any idea how the game works srsly. can a top laner bruiser main(high elo) answer me here ?

1.) Top lane main, primarily bruisers. 2.) M6 with Voli. 3.) Voli is a fighter, still, and he has more reliable burst than tanks (and trynd). 4.) Ignite does true dot damage and applies grievous wounds. 5.) Essence Reaver is no longer as viable on Trynd given that unique ult passive was removed; try spear of shojin, which gives the same cdr, and that cool passive you were thinking of. 6.) Well, you have to build a last whisper item to deal with the armor stacking, and its more immediate than Guinsoo's. 7.) Where did I say "take grasp as Trynd"? I think you are off you're meds. 8.) I think you need several refresher courses.

Ragnaveil2 votes

He's teaching your brain how to use one of the most underrated items to counter healing and armor. Its not bonus armor anymore, meaning you also add their base stats on top of the armor they bought, allowing you to effectively cut down more armor than before. Getting IE would save your ass from having such weak damaging crits. Do you honestly need the cdr when your crits alone could do enough cdr at max fury to put your E on a lower cooldown? And if its such a problem, here's a idea: Build this item 3071 . Cdr, Armor shred, damage, and health all wrapped up in one nice package. Getting that and Mortal Reminder would effectively make Voli's armor pretty thin and effectively cut down his passive. Also, he didn't tell you to take Grasp, he said buy Mortal to deal with his passive, armor, and grasp.

This is coming from a guy who plays top in high elo and has mained a few bruisers.

ContDeCaterinca14 votes

They nerfed the adaptive force, you are still doing 10% true damage and healing for 10% of the damage dealt.

And Voli is still like a very good duelist throughout the game, especially after he ULTS with Spear active. Probably a replay would help.

Ornn/Sion/Maokai/Malphite, maybe Poppy, they probably lose to you.

jng dif victim1 votes

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They nerfed the adaptive force, you are still doing 10% true damage and healing for 10% of the damage dealt.

And Voli is still like a very good duelist throughout the game, especially after he ULTS with Spear active. Probably a replay would help.

Ornn/Sion/Maokai/Malphite, maybe Poppy, they probably lose to you.

What? i feel so sad when i see these kinda replies to be honest. Do u know anything about SCALING ? Do u know Anything about OUTSCALING ? Do u know anything about DIFFRENCE BETWEEN Grast And Conqueror LATE GAME ? a fight LATE GAME between a TANK volibear and TRYNDAMERE shouldnt be even close. i dont know what rank u are u are unranked on this account but i bet u dont know anything about the scaling brother. Volibear?very good duelist ? WTF are u even talking man. im not trash talking but srsly are u trolling me or u just dont know anything about the game and how should it works? Volibear with TANK items and GRASP keystone is not even a duelist ok? he is a tank which is supposed to be alot more usefull in fights then me which he is but he is supposed to get outscaled by any fighter and any bruiser and any conqueror anti-tank item builder user's in the game. EVERY ITEM AND EVERY RUNE i have and i built is for destroying a TANK and Tryndamere is a Duelist Monster which with these items he should not even need to use his ult to beat a tank voli bear 1v1. TRYNDAMERE/JAX/FIORA are splitpushers they are created to beat most champions in the game and outscaled them because all they can do is splitpushing and they are useless in TEAM fights compared to TANKS like volibear and ETC ... . Please dont reply if u have low knowledge about the game mechanics and force me to trash talk.

ContDeCaterinca14 votes

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What? i feel so sad when i see these kinda replies to be honest. Do u know anything about SCALING ? Do u know Anything about OUTSCALING ? Do u know anything about DIFFRENCE BETWEEN Grast And Conqueror LATE GAME ? a fight LATE GAME between a TANK volibear and TRYNDAMERE shouldnt be even close. i dont know what rank u are u are unranked on this account but i bet u dont know anything about the scaling brother. Volibear?very good duelist ? WTF are u even talking man. im not trash talking but srsly are u trolling me or u just dont know anything about the game and how should it works? Volibear with TANK items and GRASP keystone is not even a duelist ok? he is a tank which is supposed to be alot more usefull in fights then me which he is but he is supposed to get outscaled by any fighter and any bruiser and any conqueror anti-tank item builder user's in the game. EVERY ITEM AND EVERY RUNE i have and i built is for destroying a TANK and Tryndamere is a Duelist Monster which with these items he should not even need to use his ult to beat a tank voli bear 1v1. TRYNDAMERE/JAX/FIORA are splitpushers they are created to beat most champions in the game and outscaled them because all they can do is splitpushing and they are useless in TEAM fights compared to TANKS like volibear and ETC ... . Please dont reply if u have low knowledge about the game mechanics and force me to trash talk.

You seem upset brother. Let me point a few things about this Volibear and his build:

*His W is an execute that scales with total HP, so going tank doesn't mean he lacks damage

*With Spear his burst is good enough to force and early ULT off you with a quick combo

*Randuinn-> crit damage reduction, attack speed slow, armor

*Visage-> increases his passive healing at low HP

Pointing I am unranked doesn't change anything, I know how champions work against each other.

My guess, he bursted you down in like 3-4 secs with ULT, forced you to R early, tanked you for 5 secs, then you died.

But you may post a replay of it to make your point valid.

Tanky champion are still valid 1 vs 1 champs at 3-4 items, only Mundo scales continously until he reaches 6 items.

The thigh guy4 votes

All I see here is “but rito, why couldn’t I rightclick a tank to death? :c”

jng dif victim1 votes

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The thigh guy2 votes

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All i see here is a bronze 4 with 38% winrate being bronze for 3 season having no knowledge about the game doesnt know how even the game works and thinks tryndamere is an easy champion and he is here making fun of me. go play ur normals kid. if u want reply me speak to me with knowledge and bring me reasons. but u dont try it because u dont know anything about the game. u cant .

So much salt. Too bad you don’t look any further before you speak to see I don’t play ranked. XD

Demacıan Justıce2 votes

Yikers, we got another one coach. A guy who can't admit his mistakes and poor gameplay. Then when people call him out, instead of resorting to facts -- he belittles and insults them to get his point across.

Before you go questioning my rank, this is an alt :D

I'm still trash at gold 2 tho. :)

Beerstein2 votes

I've been testing conqueror vs press the attack. Conqueror seems to 50% of what press the attack does, but also 50% healing on top of that. Those two keystones seem really well balanced now. Not sure why you'd compare it to grasp as it's an entirely different tree.

FireDrizzle1 votes

Assuming he had 200 total armour at that point 60+60+20+ base = 200????(dont know base) you could have removed 40 with last whisper itself so its not like you have no options too deal with that build. They should do something with conqueror though because it isnt great.

jng dif victim2 votes

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Assuming he had 200 total armour at that point 60+60+20+ base = 200????(dont know base) you could have removed 40 with last whisper itself so its not like you have no options too deal with that build. They should do something with conqueror though because it isnt great.

yea man thats what im talking about im otp tryndamere since season 7 and never i felt more weak then now. i feel so weak. im weak early. and if i cant beat a TANK volibear after 25 minutes of the game at level 17 then how im supposed to splitpush at all? i will be less usefull in fight then him too . the only talent that tryndamere has is splitpushing and because of outscaling drag at least 2 enemies to himself to make space for his teammates to get baron and stuff because one person is not supposed to handle him. that voli bear took GRASP to bully me during the lanning phase which he kinda did but i outplayed him but he is not supposed to beat me after fucking 25 minutes when i have fully rageblade stacked with full fury with 80% crit chance and 10% true damage and 15% armor penetration without even kiting me . does that even make sense? just imagine that man imagine that u are tryndamere and feel it or imagine that u have a tryndamere in ur team that cannot split push because CONQUEROR is shit because 10% true damage is nothing

FireDrizzle1 votes

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yea man thats what im talking about im otp tryndamere since season 7 and never i felt more weak then now. i feel so weak. im weak early. and if i cant beat a TANK volibear after 25 minutes of the game at level 17 then how im supposed to splitpush at all? i will be less usefull in fight then him too . the only talent that tryndamere has is splitpushing and because of outscaling drag at least 2 enemies to himself to make space for his teammates to get baron and stuff because one person is not supposed to handle him. that voli bear took GRASP to bully me during the lanning phase which he kinda did but i outplayed him but he is not supposed to beat me after fucking 25 minutes when i have fully rageblade stacked with full fury with 80% crit chance and 10% true damage and 15% armor penetration without even kiting me . does that even make sense? just imagine that man imagine that u are tryndamere and feel it or imagine that u have a tryndamere in ur team that cannot split push because CONQUEROR is shit because 10% true damage is nothing

I forgot RB gives 15% pen because im not playing as much and the item keeps changing. I supose voli beats you there because if he didnt have the stats too he would be 44% wr from kitability. But fighting Volibear and fighting a tank is not the same thing, I think you beat Mao or whatever with Voli's items. I dont think he should be able too win that fight if you recounted it correctly though.

With the old conq i was bullying Malphite as Trynd and i'm not even good with Trynd. I think conq should get a lot more adaptive and lose the healing but be buffed overall.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

ok fyi since you know Tryndamere so well better then every one else then why da fuk are you going with a keystone on him that has a sub 49% win rate?

thats right , conqueror has a 48.8% win rate on Tryndamere , just fyi grasp has a 53.4% win rate.

and the most picked and best current keystone for Tryndamere is Lethal Tempo with a 51.5% win rate with a 43.7% pick rate.

as far as items goes for him yes people still might go ER but its not ideal any more the best 1st item on him is item 3087 with a 52.42% win rate and a 46.52% pick rate as his 1st item.

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