This is some hard proof that this season has a serious issue with snowballing

Yenn··3 votes·6,432 views

https://imgur.com/0xkMDDf

Pretty sure anyone who played at Diamond V last season knows who this is, but obviously not allowed to name them. Their main account is banned for doing this, so whether or not what they're doing is actually considered intentionally feeding isn't up for discussion.

If you're not sure what you're looking at, it's a Diamond Alistar player who only builds movement speed items and only roams, and still maintains 51-52% win rate. He leaves the ADC to 1v2 and chain ganks top and mid, which gets them snowballing. This works very well, because Alistar has insane early survivability and damage, which lets him make dives.

That part is fine. The part that isn't fine is that as the mid to late game hits, he continues roaming and diving for any champion that gets near him. At this point, he doesn't have the damage or survivability to successfully dive like he could in the early game, and he'll dive anyone who gets near him, even if he has no allies nearby. It basically turns into intentional feeding. He builds a ton of movement speed items, so even if someone is near him when he dives, they can't keep up with him during it, and he ends up alone deep in the enemy's base.

Once the late game hits, he just flat out starts intentional feeding, not even something that could pass as 'lol good try' like the mid game dives. If you find any of his games and look at the kill maps, he dies on average once every 60-90 seconds after 25 minutes; he just immediately runs into the enemy team upon respawning.

The fact that he maintains 51%+ win rate while intentionally feeding during the entire mid and late game shows a serious problem with snowballing. The number advantage his early ganks provide give the solo lanes such a major advantage that his team mates can actually carry him while he's running it down mid lane.

Also, as a side note, this only actually works because his opponents don't expect it. If you've played with or against him and know he's going to do this, it doesn't work, and he often just ends up with incredibly bad scores like 0-20-6.

This is ridiculous, and I honestly can't see how the first 10 minutes of the game being allowed to have such a huge influence over the outcome is healthy.

6 Comments

ValyrianBlade2 votes

I mean - I don't get it. If this strategy works so well in the early game, but then he starts feeding the rest of the game, why aren't players abusing the same early game strategy without shitting the bed for the rest of the game?

Can you direct-message me the player's name so I can look up some replays for myself?

Yenn1 votes

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I mean - I don't get it. If this strategy works so well in the early game, but then he starts feeding the rest of the game, why aren't players abusing the same early game strategy without shitting the bed for the rest of the game?

Can you direct-message me the player's name so I can look up some replays for myself?

There are very few Alistar mains, it doesn't work if the enemy team plays safely, and you're completely fucked if one of your solo lanes doesn't get enough of an advantage from it to hard carry, because your ADC is 1v2 and won't be relevant in the late game. It's not a good or reliable strategy.

[{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kzMEdgUo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-13T14:05:10.122+0000)

if it looks stupid, but it works, then its not stupid.

but seriously its probably akin to int sion/ solo singed. it involves saying fk you to a team member or two, but still works. so they must be doing SOMETHING right.

It only works because the early game snowballs out of control so easily, like I said in a post. It displays a major issue with the current state of balance. The same strategy last season got this player demoted out of Diamond V multiple times, which is extremely hard to do without intentionally losing games, and eventually banned.

It's not the same as Sion/Singed, they actually accomplish things like map pressure through out the game. After the early game, he just dies, over and over, without accomplishing anything.

Imagine the entire team starts heading down mid lane, from the fountain, at the same time. The entire team is at the river, while Alistar has already started diving the inhibitor turret, because he has so much movement speed that the rest of the team can't keep up. By the time they get to the enemy base, Alistar is already dead.

[{quoted}](name=Dönald J Trump,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kzMEdgUo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-13T16:11:56.700+0000)

I don't really consider this feeding. Because he clearly has so many assists, he's fighting with the team when he dies. Feeding would be 0/18/0, not 3/18/26. It's a lot of deaths, but it's not feeding. Feeding is intentionally dying to help the enemy team. He's dying to help his own team.

Okay, but nobody cares what you do or don't consider it. The only thing that matters is that virtually everyone who has played with this player, along with Riot, consider it feeding.

If you actually read the post, you would see that he actually is intentionally dying later in the game, just not in the early game.

Dönald J Trump2 votes

I don't really consider this feeding. Because he clearly has so many assists, he's fighting with the team when he dies. Feeding would be 0/18/0, not 3/18/26. It's a lot of deaths, but it's not feeding. Feeding is intentionally dying to help the enemy team. He's dying to help his own team.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

if it looks stupid, but it works, then its not stupid.

but seriously its probably akin to int sion/ solo singed. it involves saying fk you to a team member or two, but still works. so they must be doing SOMETHING right.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Oh my God. I'm gonna try this shit. Looks like an easy way to get some free wins.

Floupi1 votes

Give us the build order or player name please, i have to try this [sg-jinx]

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