You know what, I'm growing tired of Tresh' 36% play rate

Blåbæret·Jan 16, 2017·3 votes·843 views

When you let certain champs have this obscenely high play rate it affects the game diversity (Lee Song for example destroying the jungle). Look, I'm not saying that Tresh is overpowered (although I think he has too much CC and his power needs to be shifted), what I'm saying is that something needs to change with the champ when he has such a high play rate. Tresh is literally present in nearly all my games and I'm tired of it to the point where I'm going to start banning him.

Although not a fact, when a champion has that kind of play rate it's most likely overtuned.

15 Comments

KindredAndWolfJan 16, 20172 votes

Thresh is one of the reasons I hate going bot lane. One of my biggest beef's with thresh is how i cant tell where his q is going till it's almost hit me. I REALLY hate that. His cc last a loooong time with the full combo, so if you get hooked and you are full hp, there is a very good chance you are dead. He doesn't have HARD counters that just cripple him in lane unlike leona or taric. He bullys hard with his ranged AA and it also makes him easy to proc his targons. He is a safe ranged tank/lane bully with a ton of cc. I'd rather fight Blitz than thresh anyday. Thresh is currently my number 2 ban after shaco, but if i got bot im banning him. I really think the BEST way they can fix him is to make it ALOT clearer where the hell his q is going so i have a better shot of dodging it. Right now im forced to stay inside a minion wave. He makes laning and playing as adc fucking awkward and not fun at all.

The most dangerous CC is the unused CC. If thresh holds his hook, he can bait you into a minion wave and in range of his AA or his adc's AA, so pretty much you are forced to back off or play risky since one grab could be your death. I'd like to see his numbers nerfed, but better indication of where his q is going is the holy grail of counterplay.

Noxian PrideJan 16, 20171 votes

To directly quote Thresh's wiki page.

Thresh's Death Sentence ability has a unique quirk; unlike most spells with a windup casting time, Thresh does not face the specific direction he is casting the ability until he actually sends out the hook. CertainlyT deliberately designed the ability to fit in with Thresh's theme of causing terror in his enemies.

Thresh, while a great support, also usually has a particularly difficult time fending for himself alone, even compared to other supports, because he has no escapes and one of his two cc's brings the enemy closer while the other is very short range. Jump him when he's alone or after you kill his ADC. Also he can't hook you through minions, so keep them between you and him.

SEKAIJan 16, 20171 votes

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To directly quote Thresh's wiki page.

"Thresh's Death Sentence ability has a unique quirk; unlike most spells with a windup casting time, Thresh does not face the specific direction he is casting the ability until he actually sends out the hook. CertainlyT deliberately designed the ability to fit in with Thresh's theme of causing terror in his enemies."

Who even proudly states that they deliberately designed something like it's a job well done when all they did was removing something's downside and making a superior version of someone else's design, in a very balance-centric roster based game?

I don't quite get it.

KindredAndWolfJan 16, 20171 votes

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To directly quote Thresh's wiki page.

Thresh, while a great support, also usually has a particularly difficult time fending for himself alone, even compared to other supports, because he has no escapes and one of his two cc's brings the enemy closer while the other is very short range. Jump him when he's alone or after you kill his ADC. Also he can't hook you through minions, so keep them between you and him.

I know it's intentional and i'm saying instead of nerfing his numbers why not make his skill shot like everyone else's. Seems like its just a bug they just incorporated into his kit. TDLR Don't nerf his numbers, make his q a normal fucking skill shot.

SEKAIJan 16, 20172 votes

There will always be people who would say things like "because XXX is fun", and the same kind of people would also say that the XXX requires high skill or whatever.

Now put the 2 claims into perspective: Firstly, in what ways are XXX fun? Considering what people consider "fun" always coincidentally fluctuate with patches and nerf/buff history. Also let's be real, the vast majority of the players are in low elo range as such there is simply no way for the majority of them to be enjoying champs who are supposedly high skill entry; it's far more likely the opposite, and/or that the champ's power is way too rewarding for their entry.

Out of this 30% something pick rate, I doubt there is even 5% of that number who plays that whoever champ because they have some special connection with the champ. The vast majority of players who enjoy "fun" champs simply enjoy them because they're overtuned or broken.

I mean, most champs have pick rate average between like 0-2%. When you have 20-30% pick rates, you'd THINK there is something wrong with it right?

But hey.

BlåbæretJan 16, 20171 votes

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There will always be people who would say things like "because XXX is fun", and the same kind of people would also say that the XXX requires high skill or whatever.

Now put the 2 claims into perspective: Firstly, in what ways are XXX fun? Considering what people consider "fun" always coincidentally fluctuate with patches and nerf/buff history. Also let's be real, the vast majority of the players are in low elo range as such there is simply no way for the majority of them to be enjoying champs who are supposedly high skill entry; it's far more likely the opposite, and/or that the champ's power is way too rewarding for their entry.

Out of this 30% something pick rate, I doubt there is even 5% of that number who plays that whoever champ because they have some special connection with the champ. The vast majority of players who enjoy "fun" champs simply enjoy them because they're overtuned or broken.

I mean, most champs have pick rate average between like 0-2%. When you have 20-30% pick rates, you'd THINK there is something wrong with it right?

But hey.

So true. Obviously Something is inherently broken with the champ at that kind of pick rate. Why Riot has done nothing is beyond me.

KindredAndWolfJan 16, 20172 votes

Here is a better "Nerf" since this kid is down voting all my comments, Make his Q act like every other skill shot in the game and point him in the direction he aims ( Like every other champ in this game) and increase its missile speed.

Anyways to the OP, riot knows he is strong and plans on changing him in some small way, saw a rioter talking about it early last week. Probably gonna nerf his numbers hp scaling and soul collection so he isn't so tanky in lane. They want to make him more pokeable so you have the option of just killing him first over the adc. If you don't like him, ban him like I do. They will see it as a sign that he needs more change than they are currently planning on him. "Nerf" that q animation is all I ask for...

BlåbæretJan 16, 20171 votes

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Here is a better "Nerf" since this kid is down voting all my comments, Make his Q act like every other skill shot in the game and point him in the direction he aims ( Like every other champ in this game) and increase its missile speed.

Anyways to the OP, riot knows he is strong and plans on changing him in some small way, saw a rioter talking about it early last week. Probably gonna nerf his numbers hp scaling and soul collection so he isn't so tanky in lane. They want to make him more pokeable so you have the option of just killing him first over the adc. If you don't like him, ban him like I do. They will see it as a sign that he needs more change than they are currently planning on him. "Nerf" that q animation is all I ask for...

Will probably ban him from now on. Sounds great that they wanna change him. Your change sounds like a good start tbh.

Craft ZeppelinJan 16, 20171 votes

can we shift his power a bit so he can solo lane, like come on...

BIackfoxJan 16, 20171 votes

So you are saying he needs nerfs just because you don't want to see him?

Got ya.

KindredAndWolfJan 16, 20171 votes

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So you are saying he needs nerfs just because you don't want to see him?

Got ya.

Actually I don't want to nerf him, well.. i would LOVE to never see him again, but i think 1 small change to his q won't affect his play rate, win rate, or player base. I think the change is reasonable and healthy and not drastic at all.

BIackfoxJan 16, 20171 votes

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Actually I don't want to nerf him, well.. i would LOVE to never see him again, but i think 1 small change to his q won't affect his play rate, win rate, or player base. I think the change is reasonable and healthy and not drastic at all.

Change=nerf

KindredAndWolfJan 16, 20171 votes

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Change=nerf

lol....

Change=Change Nerf=Nerf Sorakas Tits = salty thresh player

Only a thresh main would defend a mechanic that lacks clarity.... in a thresh kit...

Shhhh...

japan hate accJan 16, 20171 votes

Isn't that LITERALLY the argument people have been using for Yasuo?

DepressedTomokoFeb 3, 20171 votes

Hey it's that one garbagecan one trick thresh here to comment something stupid. I honestly feel like thresh is a fair and balanced champion. (not) His cc is very .. sticky? at that and does last for a long time, but I can admit it is very hard to hit against people who actually know how to use the movement command. He is very strong in very knowledgeable players (deff not me) and I feel like he can easily be outplayed at that. I mean, you don't really need to see the animation when you can infer it's going to be used and hear it when it is. (Am i using these words right?) Also, as Starilae said about 'making his q a normal skill shot' )help im stupid and can i post after this has been unposted on for 18 days( I don't really understand what that means, but, I feel the 'cast' time on his q with the audio cast (is that the right word, many () much wow) makes it pretty fair..