I'm 6-0 as Udyr, up 3 dragons + herald, but completely useless because enemy has Anivia and Janna

Yenn·Jun 20, 2018·2 votes·845 views

Can we please get better itemization against permaslow? This is actually retarded.

23 Comments

JamareeJun 20, 20188 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XNEvgZyj-im-17-2-10-velkoz-and-i-literally-cannot-do-anything-late-game-because-everyone-is-moving-so-fast

"I hate how much MS is going around right now." Yenn

"But give better MS items though." -Also Yenn.

YennJun 20, 20181 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XNEvgZyj-im-17-2-10-velkoz-and-i-literally-cannot-do-anything-late-game-because-everyone-is-moving-so-fast

"I hate how much MS is going around right now." Yenn

"But give better MS items though." -Also Yenn.

? ? Where did I ask for that? Are you illiterate or just stupid?

More MS would do nothing to counter permaslow of 40-60%

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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? ? Where did I ask for that? Are you illiterate or just stupid?

What do you think would be added to reduce slows besides just giving better MS items, or making the current ones they have better?

YennJun 20, 20181 votes

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What do you think would be added to reduce slows besides just giving better MS items, or making the current ones they have better?

More items that reduce slow potency, something to give temporary immunity to slows, or putting a cooldown on how often you can be slowed. There are a lot of potential solutions to allow champions who rely on MS to play the game against permaslow.

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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More items that reduce slow potency

So tenacity?

something to give temporary immunity to slows, or putting a cooldown on how often you can be slowed.

So you can complain about how MS makes it impossible to hit targets and how slows are useless to help make it easier?

There are a lot of potential solutions to allow champions who rely on MS to play the game against permaslow.

You mean Anivia, because she is the only one who can permaslow reliably without items.

Despìca BìllJun 20, 20182 votes

Lol. I'm afraid I see exactly what you were talking about, Jamaree. This is a direct contradiction. XD

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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Lol. I'm afraid I see exactly what you were talking about, Jamaree. This is a direct contradiction. XD

See what I mean now?

Literally EVERY game he loses, it is NEVER his fault, all he does it BITCH.

Irelia BotJun 20, 20181 votes

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See what I mean now?

Literally EVERY game he loses, it is NEVER his fault, all he does it BITCH.

I didn't say it was a good idea.

Irelia BotJun 20, 20181 votes

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What do you think would be added to reduce slows besides just giving better MS items, or making the current ones they have better?

Well... Riot could make tenacity reduce slow effectiveness in addition to the current duration reduction.

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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Well... Riot could make tenacity reduce slow effectiveness in addition to the current duration reduction.

And when people like Yenn complain about how all the MS makes it impossible to keep people away for traditional mages and slows like rylais are useless now?

JamareeJun 20, 20183 votes

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More MS would do nothing to counter permaslow of 40-60%

So you want a counter to slows, one of the things to beat all the mobility going around...while being upset about how much MS is going around, makes sense.

YennJun 20, 20181 votes

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So you want a counter to slows, one of the things to beat all the mobility going around...while being upset about how much MS is going around, makes sense.

Slows beat MS-based mobility. The problem isn't being slowed for a second or two here and there, it's when you're permanently slowed and have no dashes. Once that happens, you're permanently stuck in a position where you can't connect with anything, and can't retreat. It may as well be permanent hard CC.

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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Slows beat MS-based mobility. The problem isn't being slowed for a second or two here and there, it's when you're permanently slowed and have no dashes. Once that happens, you're permanently stuck in a position where you can't connect with anything, and can't retreat. It may as well be permanent hard CC.

Except it isn't, and the ONLY champion that can permaslow alone is Anivia, and if the team is wasting ALL their slows on JUST you, your team should win anyway.

YennJun 20, 20181 votes

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Except it isn't, and the ONLY champion that can permaslow alone is Anivia, and if the team is wasting ALL their slows on JUST you, your team should win anyway.

Except I have almost the entirety of my team's advantage, and I can't actually use it because I have no way to connect with the enemy champions.

Janna can lock you down/prevent you from ever reaching something for something like 4 of every 6 seconds, juggling Q and W. The end result is the same, you're stuck unable to retreat or engage.

JamareeJun 20, 20182 votes

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Except I have almost the entirety of my team's advantage, and I can't actually use it because I have no way to connect with the enemy champions.

So then it is your team's fault for not picking up the slack?

Janna can lock you down/prevent you from ever reaching something for something like 4 of every 6 seconds, juggling Q and W. The end result is the same, you're stuck unable to retreat or engage.

Yeah, that is Janna, that is literally what Janna has done since her inception and will literally never change, she is good at peeling...because that is her thing, being anti engage.

Despìca BìllJun 20, 20184 votes

Hard counters are definitely a thing. It's irritating to be on the receiving end of them, but I don't see a way around them when you have champs as specialized as the ones in League. CC is the text-book counter to Udyr and others like him. If you can't CC him, there is literally no counterplay to him for mages. There is nothing permanent about anyone's slows, including Anivia's. Nasus comes closest with Wither, and I think it lasts an excessive time, but nobody else is even half that bad. Remember all that MS you hated in your Vel Koz post? Build some of that on Udyr. It's really hard to CC what you can't hit.

SwiftKitten88Jun 20, 20182 votes

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Hard counters are definitely a thing. It's irritating to be on the receiving end of them, but I don't see a way around them when you have champs as specialized as the ones in League. CC is the text-book counter to Udyr and others like him. If you can't CC him, there is literally no counterplay to him for mages. There is nothing permanent about anyone's slows, including Anivia's. Nasus comes closest with Wither, and I think it lasts an excessive time, but nobody else is even half that bad. Remember all that MS you hated in your Vel Koz post? Build some of that on Udyr. It's really hard to CC what you can't hit.

udyr needs to be completly reworked.. kit hit is toxic and hasd the exacpt same issue as volibear and even garen

if they reach you.. you're dead, and there is no power on this earth that can save you.

if they don't... they're useless.

binary designs are horrible.

uydr is already broken... i mean wtf does he want?

you CAN'T buff bianry champs.. they _need_a kit change

Despìca BìllJun 20, 20182 votes

There are a lot more things you can do with binary champs besides initial success or total failure. That's where the macro game comes into play. If I find myself against a heavy CC team, I split push, go after isolated targets, and itemize accordingly. Binary play styles are the problem, less so binary champs.

I Support SolarJun 20, 20183 votes

If you are 6-0, that means you killed enemies at some point.

If you have 3 dragons, that means you took dragons at some point. Same with herald.

Therefore, you clearly have not been useless. This post contradicts itself in its own title.

ValiantKillerJun 20, 20182 votes

So you want to run around with Udyr and destroyer your pure counter which is mages like how you destroy assassins, fighters and juggernaut in 1v1 ? No thank you, i'm sick of this champion and he doesn't need buffs. God it like asking for buffs for Master Yi or Tryn or anything of that type, they binary monster special in 1v1 and they need counters now you want to remove counter too ?

Like as someone said, you already did destroyer 6 players in 1v1 or even in 2v2 or 1v2 while you secure herald and drakes on your own without team help so you want to just to run over everyone ?!

Laura ßJun 20, 20181 votes

Items against everything so that nothing counters nothing and everyone lives in a little pretty rainbow world yaaay.

pathetic post

HyquiemJun 20, 20181 votes

Dude.. flash. Your udyr it’s suppose to be hard for you to get to them if your going to completely butcher them. Plus your melee , you should try to surprise them.

PhieldworkerJun 20, 20181 votes

Build tenacity stuff. There are plenty of things you can do to get rid of the perma slow. Nasus used w on me as swain but activated phase rush and I was able to run away no problem.