If im the support and I know you aren't going to get the kill so i get it myself

koshkyra·Dec 2, 2017·86 votes·2,842 views

That was not a "ks", and you have no right to call me "retarded", tell me to "fuck off", abuse your pings and chat to the point where i need to mute both of them, or refuse to cooperate and lose us the game.

Some ADCs would just say "yay we got a double kill bot" and be happy.

Dont be the fucking ADC that bitches and moans about "dumbass support ks now im gonna have 0 gold by midgame might as well int and run it down mid ggwp".

53 Comments

Unker139Dec 2, 201762 votes

A kill is a kill. If it helps us win. I don't care who gets it.

koshkyraDec 2, 201717 votes

Upvoted for common sense.

Autrah FangDec 2, 20175 votes

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A kill is a kill. If it helps us win. I don't care who gets it.

i agree wholeheartedly with this. however, if i'm the ADC and my support happens to get, say, 5 "ks's" in a row, and i have yet to even get my first kill, it gets a little annoying XD i still will not make a big deal about it though. mostly because i know how it is being a support and accidentally taking that many kills as a Leona or something. i start to feel bad about it as it is, i don't need the ADC flaming the crap out of me and inting because of it lol.

LordGeovanniDec 2, 20171 votes

Thing is Treat it as if you never had an opportunity to get a kill. Kills never factor into gold you should be getting you will never fall behind because some one else on your team got the kill and you didnt infact you still get gold from assists and you still get the value from bing able to free farm and denying the enemy farm. Especially as i play melee tank supports and riots policy is that tanks cant be moderately tanky and tank supports have the worse end of that with weaker items and worse gold. early kills on a tank support usually makes it so you dont have dead weight getting picked off every time they respawn mid game. Support Ks me is only a thing because of players and more than usually you tubers who constantly complain about it because they need big number kds to make click bait titles.

Autrah FangDec 2, 20171 votes

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Thing is Treat it as if you never had an opportunity to get a kill. Kills never factor into gold you should be getting you will never fall behind because some one else on your team got the kill and you didnt infact you still get gold from assists and you still get the value from bing able to free farm and denying the enemy farm. Especially as i play melee tank supports and riots policy is that tanks cant be moderately tanky and tank supports have the worse end of that with weaker items and worse gold. early kills on a tank support usually makes it so you dont have dead weight getting picked off every time they respawn mid game.

yea, i get it :) a kill gotten on the enemy laners is still gold and free farm for us, and less farm for them :D it's just easy to fall under the mentality of "the ADC is the carry therefore they should be the one with all the kills," and the support ending up with all the kills ends up feeling bad because of it (from the perspective of both the ADC with no kills and the support that keeps getting the kills lol). i honestly play support quite a bit more often than ADC, so i know how it feels to be the Leona or Sona (moreso Leona though, that W is such a magnet for kills lol) that just can't seem to stop getting the kills, and the ADC is left being, say, 0/0/5-8 by the end of laning phase lol. sure, they end up with more farm and gold than the enemy ADC in the end, but "gotta look good on the scoreboard" right? XD

LordGeovanniDec 3, 20171 votes

Lane phase kills should really go to support to keep them from being dead weight. By the time adcs get items you couldnt get kills even if you wanted you would have to be a mage holding your spells intentionally or an assassin doing the same.

fox only fdDec 2, 20174 votes

We need more people like you.

Sennamain RoleDec 3, 20171 votes

For sure. The only time I ever even consider not securing a kill is if my adc is a Draven and it is still early game.

Weasel KenseiDec 2, 201714 votes

No good player will complain about you getting a few kills here or there. While supports shouldnt try to take the kills from the ADC, if they should so happen to get them in an all in there should be no complaining.

A matter of fact, good and knowledgeable players dont complain cause they know those deaths will hurt the opposition much more than not getting the gold affects them. Only ignorant "team death match" players that are more worried about kills complain about this stuff. Objective focused, team oriented players may think "Aww, I wish I had that gold... but at least WE have that gold." They will see you getting that gold as an investment in team/lane dominance instead of some petty reason to rage.

To some extent it may not be their faults. Only the lower end players complain about that kind of stuff, and that means they probably play with lower end supports who think theyre mid laners and TRY to take kills, farm, and will sit back and wait for the enemy bot lane to all in their ADC and when they die will jump out and try to get a double kill. So when they see you get kills, they think they have another shitheaded clown trying to "support." The real issue is that theyre both bad. The "support" for being a "support" and the ADC for worrying about it so much.

Anyone who cries cause you got kills and wants to intent feed after... you werent going to win, theyre a troll looking for "some reason" to get tilted and feed, they just happen to blame it on you getting kills cause that happened. If it wasnt that, then it would be baiting the mid laner or jungler into an argument then demanding they apologize for a statement or they will feed. Tell them to go ahead and feed, and try to get them to confirm it in chat with "why are you feeding?" so it can be in the chat logs.

Sorry thats your "tier" of player you have to deal with... Iv been there. This is all assuming youre not playing "No sightstone ignite Lux" and trying to KS with the attitude that any kill you could take was one they couldnt get cause you took it... Who knows, but its probably dullard ADCs crying cause I still see that from time to time.

Baron BarianDec 2, 201712 votes

Everything now and then, you should have an eye out for a chance to perform a Kill Secure to make sure the enemy dies.

Also, an early kill for a support means an early sightstone for your team.

DemonBoneJanglesDec 2, 20179 votes

all too often this is the case, supports were being blamed well before the mages came bot, now that they have the adc's have more reasons than ever to blame the support for so called ksing, I mean really how can you ks a dead person?

abca98Dec 2, 20176 votes

I actually like when they behave like that because that's the instant I know they don't deserve protection and any other player is much more able of carrying.

JamesGrisDec 2, 20176 votes

Unless you're playing something like Sona and flash Q'ing an enemy on 1 hp being suppressed by Malz ult, this concept of "ks" is ridiculous.

I have played Janna in the past and been blamed for ks'ing after igniting someone and they die under their own tower. Some people.

GubaguyDec 2, 20175 votes

Whats even better is when you are playing a support like say... sona, whose 'help' can actually get the kill accidetnly then the ADC flames you for it, but then if you DONT help they bitch at you becuase you DIDNT get the kill, or you held back a bit to let them get the kill and they died becuase of it.

Being a support sucks no matter what you do.

koshkyraDec 2, 20173 votes

Its funny because the match i was talking about when i made this thread was an annie support game (i was actually building support and being a support) where THE ENEMY DIED TO MY IGNITE UNDER THEIR TOWER WHILE MY ADC WAS RETREATING and he flamed me for it (and his obvious duo partner did also)

But then when i didnt ignite so he wouldnt whine, we didnt get the kill and he flamed for "useless support fucking tard".

Win-win situation dont u agree m8

fox only fdDec 2, 20175 votes

It's a team game, there's no such thing as ks. Especially if the enemy would have otherwise gotten away. And players still get gold for assists anyways, just not as much. And even if you kill the enemy adc and your adc doesn't even get an assist, it still gives your adc a gold lead because the enemy adc loses cs. People just don't understand the concept of a "team."

saltranDec 2, 20174 votes

Adc main here, please take the kills if it's a close fight, and for some Supps like Karma-Bard-Zyra-Brand is BETTER that they take the kills in early because they have a huge dmg in early-mid game and I will be farming and scaling anyway.

Daddy AntsDec 2, 20174 votes

As an ADC main I always tell my duo support "If I can't secure a kill and you can then by all means do so".

If I flash for a kill and they take it then yeah I have the right to be pissed.

DNFVixenDec 2, 20174 votes

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That was not a "ks", and you have no right to call me "retarded", tell me to "fuck off", abuse your pings and chat to the point where i need to mute both of them, or refuse to cooperate and lose us the game.

Some ADCs would just say "yay we got a double kill bot" and be happy.

Dont be the fucking ADC that bitches and moans about "dumbass support ks now im gonna have 0 gold by midgame might as well int and run it down mid ggwp".

As a support main, Sona main to be exact, I know exactly how you feel. I got bitched at ALL the time by ADCs for taking the kill when they are getting away.

Dorans PantsDec 2, 20174 votes

scenario1:

you don´t attack, the adc doesn´t get the kill/gets himself killed and blames you ----> useless support

scenario2:

you do attack, get the kill and your adc claims that you ksed and that he would have definitely gotten the kill if u didn´t attack, blames you -----> useless support

what can we learn from this? if your adc is a potato he will blame you for everything. don´t even argue and just ignore him. good players don´t bitch like that.

JonxxDec 2, 20174 votes

Complaining about "ks" in 2017 https://memegenerator.net/img/images/50x50/15908525.jpg

Scary DoorDec 2, 20174 votes

People still say "KS" in 2017?

Personally I don't ever care who gets the kill, because with the way the game is now a kill usually means you get a tower.

HelpOrIFeedDec 3, 20174 votes

There is no such thing as a "kill steal" in a team game. If you see someone say "ks" about anything, you know they are a trash noob so just ignore them.

CubicalDec 2, 20172 votes

As a support main im usually happy when the support secures the kills because usually i cant...

vinnythetacoDec 3, 20172 votes

It's called securing a kill. Doesn't matter who does it as long as it gets done. You did good. if u gave the enemy that extra second they mightve gotten away or out of range of ur adc.

Friendly RamDec 3, 20172 votes

Hey i'm the idiot that somehow manages to kill both enemies, i promise to grab a knights vow for you.

StoneSparrowDec 3, 20172 votes

I always take the kills. Only bad adcs complain about that. Just say "Shut up and farm"

AlimentateurDec 3, 20172 votes

When you play Blitzcrank Q-hit Wonder and your Top laner is like "Imma carry this just play safe"

-Meanwhile the Enemy Zed tower dives to kill the non-recalling yasou (me gets Zed first with Fist Bump) just to die to the Tower -Top Laner goes from "I carry this" to 1/6/5 and flames Blitzcrank for having 8 tower dive kills :)

seasaltcakeDec 3, 20172 votes

Not to mention it's a 150 gold difference unless the jungler helped too. Supports burn more than that on control wards alone.

I mean it's not like we don't buy sightstone, wards, ardent censer, locket, redemption, crucible, knight's vow or anything that doesn't benefit the adc too.

Daedric EtwahlDec 2, 20171 votes

I usually just hand kills over to my adc, sometimes I'll follow the low enemy that little distance theyt ry to run just in case they almost get away so that I can get them if need be, but other than that almost all my kills are accidents.

That being said I've seen too many Tristanas try to finish a kill with their ult and just blow an enemy to safety with 1 auto to death. I've been burned by that too many times so all bets are off when Im supporting a Trist

stjärnfalls BAJSDec 2, 20171 votes

but it is a ks :')

SwarovskoDec 2, 20171 votes

Actually supports with kills are EXTEMELY underrated. People just don't know how much of a difference an early item 3504 / item 3107 / item 3190 do.

RivuoDec 2, 20171 votes

I dont know what elo you're in but anything past gold nobody yells at their support for taking the kill. id appreciate it if you stopped feeding the adc stereotype on the boards

HensetsuDec 2, 20171 votes

Wow, really? That happens? Sorry to hear that man!

I'd just be glad we killed them and not the other way around tbh.

JonasGangstaDec 2, 20171 votes

What if we both know that I (the ADC) easily could have gotten the kill, and you still take it? It happens a lot to me. I usually don't care, but sometimes it becomes a bit too frequent (had a leona that ulted for last hit, for example).

DemainaNyxDec 4, 20171 votes

I had a Leona that never used Ult to engage/peel. She would use it after our entire team died to save herself so she could escape. You get those people. There's really nothing you can do about it. These people might be KSing, but there's really nothing wrong with it in general.

However, I had a game when I was playing Brand, got caught by a Blitz hook, ulted and W before dying, both enemies were like 300 hp with my blaze passive counting down on them, ADC flashes forward and gets a Shiv proc on both before they both flash away, leaving them with 30 hp. My passive finished them off and my ADC blamed me for KSing. I had been dead for like 3 seconds already and yet still blamed for KSing.

People really like to play up the whole KSing thing when most of the time it's just an accident or unintentional. Not to mention most supports set up the kills for ADCs, so most of the time the kill wouldn't even be possible without the support landing CC or doing poke damage in the first place.

DragonSheaDec 2, 20171 votes

If an ADC bitch's about you getting a necessary. Tell him to go fuck himself and go a better job at last hitting the enemy so you don't have to do the killing.

KaìjuDec 2, 20171 votes

Depending on the game, if I have like 2 kills and more CS I want the supp to get the kills cause like, fuck it I should have enough hold to just perfectly CS at that point, loading me up with more just detracts from the team. Plus with how much damage supports like Zyra, Brand, and Karma do I'd rather they get fed than me anyways.

notice me Sin piDec 2, 20171 votes

a support can either:

not risk ks, and get blamed for doing nothing. Result: 0 gold for your team + take blame
risk ks, and get blamed for ksing. Result: 300~450 gold for your team + take blame

i like option 2 way better.

FleirynDec 2, 20171 votes

Ever since I started playing back in s2 I have simple policy about that sort of things: "It doesn't matter who gets the kill, only important thing is that he died as fast as possible and wasn't able to escape or kill anyone"

EarthyMadnessDec 2, 20171 votes

Ashe/Leona bot lane, we take tier 1 turret and have them on the run, my ult has 3s. I get it, ult, then before I can follow up, get slapped from behind by half-healh jungler and die. Watched Leona 1v3, get a double kill, and escape. Cheered her on the whole time.

FilDaFunkDec 2, 20171 votes

You need that item 3504

ÈvilMortyDec 2, 20171 votes

adc mains be like "I may as well have 0 gold mid game while my items are 300-600 gold cheaper then everyone else items oh what am i to do"

Ayame IsakiDec 2, 20171 votes

While I find this to be true more often than the scenario I'm about to mention, I don't think this is the norm. I find most ADCs are OK with the support getting a few kills. And sometimes you get a chill ADC who is having a bad game that just understands you (Janna) are going to have a bigger impact in team fights than they will and feeds you kills and then tells you to roam to get the other lanes snowballed. I love the ADCs who understand it is about winning as a team and not about personal damage or KDA numbers.

PinkajDec 3, 20171 votes

Thank you <3 [sg-ahri-2]

ninjaroxasDec 3, 20171 votes

I was jinx with a nasus support once. We still one despite the fact he got most of the kills

AlienPrimateDec 3, 20171 votes

I go so far as to welcome KSing. If I'm about to get a solo kill in lane and the jungler comes along to get the last hit, I'm happy about it. Solo kills are only 300g. A jungler coming along to get the last hit is 450g.

Ramen226Dec 3, 20171 votes

Adc main and I approve. Especially if I'm low hp I'll back off and spam ping the target telling them to take it just to be sure we don't trade kills.

ThiadelDec 3, 20171 votes

My duo realizes that I sometimes take kills really early game, but he's fine with it. Our bot lane gets fed while the enemy bot lane doesn't get fed. We met a jungler once that told us "Supports getting the kills early is good. That means they can be viable faster and help you get the next kills early." Or something like that.

Now if you go J4 support with lethality, that shit pisses me off to no end.

ZapMyHeartDec 3, 20171 votes

I play both roles in bot lane and whenever I get a support that apologizes for ksing when they actually contributed to the kill (and it was clear I wasn't able to nab it) is rather mind baffling.

[sg-zephyr]