The 1/4 level 6 brand misses his skillshots then presses ER ignite on me for 900 damage

koshkyra·Jun 24, 2018·42 votes·12,106 views

Nice champion rito.

Oh and dont forget that if he lands one stun on you at level 2, you are going to die.

Edt: y'all need to realize that brand has a passive and that minion waves exist

Edit 2: for everyone who says im exaggerating

EkyonKun (NA)

-snipped out the math part bc its long af-

Summon Aery = Between 804-867 total post-mitigation damage Arcane Comet = Between 832-895 total post-mitigation damage Electrocute = Between 901-963 total post-mitigation damage

Then add around 50 post mitigation physical damage for however many auto attacks he gets off. If you don't flash away it's probably at least two. So he can do around 1000 TOTAL POST-MITIGATION damage at level 6 with this build after whiffing his W and Q.

69 Comments

leakinbJun 24, 201815 votes

Brain-dead cancerous champ Just like MasterYi

Attticus FinchJun 24, 201812 votes

Let's see...

Ignite at level 6 does 200 damage, so he did 700 damage woth his E and ult.

Assuming he's leveling W first and has a spell thief's, his E is doing about 80 damage and his ult is doing about 130 per bounce. Even if we assume that it hit you three times that's about 400 damage for a total of 480. Where is the other 200 damage coming from?

Oh right, you're lying. Learn to play, no one is impressed by your exaggerations.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 24, 20189 votes

I can agree with this, but we should try to gauge how much of his damage is coming off of passive burn, the explosion burn, and his other ap items.

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20183 votes

Actually, the ult deals 100 (+25% AP) per bounce, so early game it deals probably 105-110 premitigation.

Still not gonna die since that's even less.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 201813 votes

Brand Passive. It deals 12% max over 2 seconds, then 12-16% max (based on level - at 6 that's 14.5%) + 1.5% per 100 AP.

So his passive dealt 26.5% max HP minimum, which requires that the enemy have at least 760 max HP (to deal 200 damage), which they probably did.

We're also not counting Comet/Aery either.

ThefrostyvikingJun 24, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Attticus Finch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=knrX0fhk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-24T06:28:46.222+0000)

Let's see...

Ignite at level 6 does 200 damage, so he did 700 damage woth his E and ult.

Assuming he's leveling W first and has a spell thief's, his E is doing about 80 damage and his ult is doing about 130 per bounce. Even if we assume that it hit you three times that's about 400 damage for a total of 480. Where is the other 200 damage coming from?

Oh right, you're lying. Learn to play, no one is impressed by your exaggerations.

His passive deals a boatload too, add some auto attacks and maybe a few minions and it should add up.

koshkyraJun 24, 20185 votes

I love how you completely "forgot" his passive existed for a moment there to make it fit your argument.

Jinzo TorranceJun 24, 20183 votes

You forgot about the existance of base MR too to fit your argument

koshkyraJun 24, 20183 votes

I didnt even make an argument

ShonjlJun 24, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Attticus Finch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=knrX0fhk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-24T06:28:46.222+0000)

Let's see...

Ignite at level 6 does 200 damage, so he did 700 damage woth his E and ult.

Assuming he's leveling W first and has a spell thief's, his E is doing about 80 damage and his ult is doing about 130 per bounce. Even if we assume that it hit you three times that's about 400 damage for a total of 480. Where is the other 200 damage coming from?

Oh right, you're lying. Learn to play, no one is impressed by your exaggerations.

His passive. That isn't as far fetched as you make it out to be. Even without explosion. Just the burn for a few seconds can take a chunk outta you. More So if the R hit you 3 times. The burn alone woulda did like 30 to 40%.

That's ignoring autos. And minion damage. Brand can easily kill missing most his kit. He can kill people starting at 2. W Q ignite with a few autos before and after and you are dead.

There is a reason people hate brand and zyra. They can explode you with no Ap and god forbid they get fed. They will single handedly win the game for you.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 24, 20181 votes

Runes. Common runes you always see on brand.

And then you add in his passive and autos, and, yes, it does over 800 damage in every single possible outcome.

AwesomeGuyDjJun 24, 201811 votes

How are you dying to brand lvl 2 when he cant even proc passive yet.

Wolfalisk318Jun 24, 201821 votes

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How are you dying to brand lvl 2 when he cant even proc passive yet.

Doesn't need to proc passive when W does ~40% of your health.

Spank the FoxJun 24, 201813 votes

Except it doesn’t do that at level 2.

And if he’s stunning you, then his W doesn’t get the 25% bonus damage at level 2.

Does anyone actually PLAY Brand?

Before first back, he can’t free harass you. You can auto back since he has to step up close to your melees to land a W. Or an E during later phases.

ThilmerJun 24, 20189 votes

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Except it doesn’t do that at level 2.

And if he’s stunning you, then his W doesn’t get the 25% bonus damage at level 2.

Does anyone actually PLAY Brand?

Before first back, he can’t free harass you. You can auto back since he has to step up close to your melees to land a W. Or an E during later phases.

I'm mastery 6 with Brand.

This thread is full of lies and exageration is a joke. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

AirKingNeoJun 24, 201810 votes

80 (+55% AP) damage is not 40% of your HP.

When did your health bar become about 250 HP?

Edit: yeah boards are a fun circlejerking downvoting people stating facts you can LITERALLY GOOGLE YOURSELF

Spank the FoxJun 24, 20187 votes

I love how this is downvoted lmao.

Inb4people rationalize Comet makes up the difference

Daddy AntsJun 24, 20184 votes

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80 (+55% AP) damage is not 40% of your HP.

When did your health bar become about 250 HP?

Forgetting his passive?

All enemies struck are dealt 12% - 16% (based on level) 「 (+ 1.5% per 100 AP) 」 of their maximum health as magic damage.

RhaiJun 24, 20189 votes

yeah, if he hits 3 abilities. I'd like to see you hit a guy with 3 abilities at lvl 2 as brand

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20189 votes

#THE GUY LITERALLY SAID, "Doesn't need to proc passive when W does ~40% of your health."

#SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING HIS PASSIVE

NiceTryViJun 24, 20183 votes

Proccing passive is diff from his actual passive. For every ability landed, he does another 4% max hp over 4 seconds, so at lvl 2 if he lands EW, youre taking about 200 from the ability and then another 8% of your max hp. while it may not be 40% of your hp, its still quite a bit of damage.

BattalionJun 24, 20182 votes

You've upset the bads with your use of math and common sense, they're jealous they do not possess either.

AirKingNeoJun 25, 20182 votes

Hey man, I can't comprehend it or at least feel the same way? Do they hate me? Are they biased against what I'm saying? I don't know, but I really do not understand the point in denying the truth.

Life is easier when you don't go against actual truth.

DisembarkJun 24, 20186 votes

Doesn't even do close to that amount what are you smoking.

Troll for TrumpJun 24, 20189 votes

Don't forget how useless he is when he misses W Q. Don't forget some champs aren't even gated by telegraphed abilities and skillshots

GigglesOJun 24, 201846 votes

How do you miss W early game when players don't have boots? if you center cast it they have to waste a dash ability or you CANNOT WALK OUTSIDE OF ITS RANGE.

ValiantKillerJun 24, 20186 votes

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How do you miss W early game when players don't have boots? if you center cast it they have to waste a dash ability or you CANNOT WALK OUTSIDE OF ITS RANGE.

Even if he miss all of this stuff, i saw brand that was like 0-5 cause only he bought item 3151 and item 3116 he press r into 5 man, 3 of them went to half hp and 2 dead which was the squishy.

It Hertz When IPJun 24, 201811 votes

Well that's your team's fault. Clearly they should have already uninstalled LoL by the time he hit his two item powerspike.

ValiantKillerJun 24, 20186 votes

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Well that's your team's fault. Clearly they should have already uninstalled LoL by the time he hit his two item powerspike.

But that brand was on my team xD I just saying how he can just burst with r without thinking

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 24, 20181 votes

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Even if he miss all of this stuff, i saw brand that was like 0-5 cause only he bought and he press r into 5 man, 3 of them went to half hp and 2 dead which was the squishy.

Just went vs Cho top and Brand support. built hp to counter Cho only to be fucked by Brand with Liandrys + Rylia. He misses W and Q. He clicks E and R's a minion wave and like a thirsty bitch on prom night the ult catches up to me no matter what and his DoT ends up dealing 1.1k dmg without counting ignite.

I died needless to say.

ValiantKillerJun 24, 20181 votes

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Just went vs Cho top and Brand support. built hp to counter Cho only to be fucked by Brand with Liandrys + Rylia. He misses W and Q. He clicks E and R's a minion wave and like a thirsty bitch on prom night the ult catches up to me no matter what and his DoT ends up dealing 1.1k dmg without counting ignite.

I died needless to say.

That is the whole point, he isn't skilledshot brain skilled champion as some say really he got point to click to proc his passive then followed with R and you dead.

Troll for TrumpJun 24, 20181 votes

If they let you centercast it, the opponent is just a flat-out idiot. Brand is outranged by everything. You can go in for a W and get burst down by the opponent. Good luck with landing your super-telegraphed combo.

Brand is absolute garbo at lane bullying.

GigglesOJun 24, 20181 votes

Out ranged by everything you say?

Pillar of Flame TARGET RANGE: 900

Caitlyn AA RANGE 650

Sure looks like everything outranges pillar of flame, especially everything that has a shorter range than adc's.... (plz read using Sarcasm font)

Arcane Blue BoiJun 24, 20187 votes

''Let me outplay this brand. If dodge miss his W i win the trade!''

*hits E, *hits Q because, come on, that shits just like fizz's R *wins trade with half a combo because fuck logic

FireDrizzleJun 24, 20189 votes

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''Let me outplay this brand. If dodge miss his W i win the trade!''

*hits E, *hits Q because, come on, that shits just like fizz's R *wins trade with half a combo because fuck logic

Q is not like Fizz r it is a thin projectile, that this gets upvoted shows how trash the gameplay posters are generally.

Arcane Blue BoiJun 24, 20182 votes

i didnt compare the size of its projectile, i compared how easy it is to hit. Considering its a fast projectile (ignoring the must go rylais in his inventory), and if you dodge W you have limited escape paths to run to, its relatively easy to hit.

FireDrizzleJun 24, 20182 votes

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i didnt compare the size of its projectile, i compared how easy it is to hit. Considering its a fast projectile (ignoring the must go rylais in his inventory), and if you dodge W you have limited escape paths to run to, its relatively easy to hit.

It isnt easy to hit though.

FutureCreatorJun 24, 20182 votes

How is his Q easy to hit, what are you smoking?

EkyonKunJun 24, 20187 votes

Okay I did some math and jesus damn, OP is actually way right. So here are some maths. I took the liberty of calculating 3 different keystones for him. Go to the end to see the final result if that's all you're interested in.

First assumption is Brand took the following runes. They all seem fairly reasonable to take.

Summon Aery / Arcane Comet Manaflow Band Absolute Focus (100% hp) Scorch

Cheap Shot Eyeball Collection (0 Stacks)

Electrocute Cheap Shot Eyeball Collection (0 Stacks) Hunter Rune (Doesn't matter, none of them add damage)

Manaflow Band Scorch

Another assumption is that his only items are a frostfang and amplifying tome (reasonable to have at level 6) I assume Brand has been maxing W (And missed. Also missed his Q) So he has 1 point in E and R. Last assumption is that the target has between 700 and 1000 hp. This is also reasonable around that level.

Here's the initial math. Brand's E + 3 bounces of R does 370 base magic damage (110% AP scaling) + 24.5% of the target's maximum health (1.5% AP scaling). At level 6, ignite does 205 true damage, cheap shot does 22 true damage, scorch does 32 magic damage, and Frostfang will add up to 54 magic damage. Also every non-melee enemy will have 32 magic resist, ASSUMING they're also level 6.

I would like to point out that at this point, we haven't even added AP or keystones to the equation, and we're at 700-770 post-mitigation damage. But hey let's go further.

Summon Aery = Between 834-897 total post-mitigation damage Arcane Comet = Between 832-895 total post-mitigation damage Electrocute = Between 901-963 total post-mitigation damage

Then add around 50 post mitigation physical damage for however many auto attacks he gets off. If you don't flash away it's probably at least two. So he can do around 1000 TOTAL POST-MITIGATION damage at level 6 with this build after whiffing his W and Q.

item 3098 item 1052

EDIT: Pretty late to edit this, but I realized Summon Aery will proc twice from the ER combo. So I added 30 damage appropriately.

koshkyraJun 24, 20183 votes

Thank you for posting this, its so fucking annoying seeing people claim im lying when they dont do any math to determine whether or not its possible.

Pika FoxJun 24, 20185 votes

And? You got hit by 2/4ths of his abilities and a summoner. Im guessing you were near minions or another champ, which makes him stronger. And mages skill primarily with levels, so him being 1/4 doesnt mean a whole lot.

Wanna know the secret to beating brand? All in him early. Just straight ham. Leona his ass all day and night. His passive doesnt do enough to kill tanks early, and he has no way to survive in lane when you go ham on him.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 24, 20184 votes

Half the kit. One of which is the lower portion of the damage, and all of it unmissable.

And that nearly instantly killed him. Could have actually outright killed him, depending on his champion.

Pika FoxJun 24, 20181 votes

Wouldnt be "instant". Ult alone would take multiple seconds to bounce unless it was 2 champions only both ontop of each other. Its missile speed is really low.

And 3rd hit passive takes a while to detonate.

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20184 votes

in what world would brand be able to kill you landing only E and R when that doesn't proc his passive?

LocatedEagle232Jun 24, 201814 votes

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in what world would brand be able to kill you landing only E and R when that doesn't proc his passive?

Actually it would if anything is nearby, it prioritizes 3 stacks. So it'd say "OK, E (1 stack), R (1 stack), bounce off whatever and hit 3rd stack right here!)

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20182 votes

Actually, it prioritizes ablaze champs > champs > ablaze minions > minions or so I heard, not stacks.

Still, Brand ult and his E (and ignite) won't 100-0 you.

InfernapeJun 24, 201811 votes

Brand's ult will prioritise stacking three stacks of Blaze over anything else.

JJI744Jun 24, 20186 votes

Outdated. Brand ult now always bounces in such a way to stack passive as much as possible.

RebeccaUCuberJun 24, 20183 votes

He has supreme damage But i find him very predictable. Even so...without boots it's not so easy to dodge all... I usually poke/focus him after He fails w. The more He falls behind the better! Btw a master Yi 1/6 Can 100-0 a 5/3 garen x)

Champion SkinJun 24, 20182 votes

Btw a master Yi 1/6 Can 100-0 a 5/3 garen x)

Well then again kills/deaths doesn't say anything about the power of a champion? Levels and items do... and CS is a way better source of gold than kills