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I'm a little worried that Gnar's health regen buff might be too strong

Gnart Even Close·3/15/2017, 12:59:15 AM·10 votes·1,915 views

"HP Regen has been changed. Both base and growth are same in both forms now, an average between previous Mega and Mini values.

  •     Mega
         Base: from 1.3 to 0.9
         Growth:  from 0.6 to 0.35

  •     Mini:
         Base: from 0.5 to 0.9
         Growth: from 0.1 to 0.35"

Yeah, numbers whatever. What you may not realize is that Mini Gnar was tied with Soraka for being the lowest in the game at level 1, and being 2nd lowest with Soraka at level 18 (Mordekaiser LUL). Mini Gnar now has the 2nd HIGHEST health regen at level 18 (Heimerdinger has his fancy passive).

Of course Mega Gnar gets hit, but that doesn't affect him as much (only losing 69.75 health over the 15 seconds). Also, his level 1 value is still the 4th worst in the game.

But my point is, I'd rather not have Mini Gnar not just have an absurd health regen stat. I'd rather get some QoL changes and bugfixes. I'd rather see auto transform rather than dying when he's at 100 rage, and making his Q throw from his position at the end of the cast time rather than the start (so annoying with Flash Q, and that the E Q is slightly off). I'd like to see the interactions with GA and Gnar's transformation fixed (i.e. if he transforms in stasis, make it factor off of his Mini Gnar health pool and then give him the health bonus; or as mentioned above, auto transform if at 100 rage rather than dying; don't make him transform back into Mini Gnar if he dies as Mega Gnar; don't remove the Tired debuff when he dies).

Riot please, reconsider how you're buffing Gnar. It may be easier to just average his health regen values in Mini and Mega Gnar and call it a day, but please, do something better. If you have to push out changes a patch or two, so be it. This honestly feels like a quick change to have Gnar be in a decent place when his chromas come out. You're better than that Riot.

Edit: Riot, thank you for at least recognizing that Gnar is in a weak state and addressing his lane phase. Thank you also for the Crunch buffering change; I'd like to see more changes like that than just stat changes. I LOVE the new chromas too. But I still think it's kind of shitty that you do it the patch his chromas come out and that the main buff is just averaging his health regeneration values in each form. You and I both know full well you can and should do better.

5 Comments

Ralanr3/15/2017, 1:51:10 PM4 votes

I really don't see the point of giving him good HP regeneration. That only makes him have less of a reason to back.

So the resourceless ranged champion with mobility basically now has less of a reason to leave lane.

Lord Galvatron3/15/2017, 4:51:13 PM2 votes

The Gnar changes actually make him more viable. He's so easy to play around mid/late game that it's not even funny. Anyone with a IQ higher then 2 knows that all you need to do is force Gnar to Mega before a team fight and immediate initiate after he goes back to mini. Mini Gnar is a complete joke after landing phase and is only good after the enemy team is low and has used their abilities/summs. They made him too reliant on Mega and him being super slow as Mega makes him even less reliable. He's basically in Shen's situation where he's never used except in LCS because his Ult is really good in coordinated teamfights.

I used to play Gnar religiously but after playing with people who know how to handle Gnar, you realize that after landing phase you literally just throw Q's until you get Mega and pray that you team gives you a good follow up and the enemy team has used up all their escapes. He's too team reliant now for my tastes and he gets outclassed by a ton of other Top laners.

These early regeneration buffs will make it easier for him to snowball early and not have to constantly rely on ganks or garbage opponents. I do agree that he needs a ton of QoL buffs. He's still super clunky and I predict that more people would play him if he was "smoother" to play in general.

SS Enforcer3/15/2017, 7:29:17 AM1 votes

I think the health regen buffs might be something that can allow gnar not to be completely outclassed by every other ranged champion in lane, and altough you say that the numbers are high, the hp regen of mini gnar above level 12-13 is mostly irrelevant. By that point, the laning phase has ended and hp regen becomes something that is rarely useful unless it's something like garen passive, especially on a champ like mini gnar, a short-range, no-cc, limited-mobility squishy. Despite all of this, I do agree with you on the point that there could be more changes made to the little guy.