Why is Jarvan still classified as a tank?

LegacyDAP·Apr 30, 2017·17 votes·3,355 views

He really isn't. He's more of a bruiser if anything.

30 Comments

SukishooApr 30, 201710 votes

The in-game classes are always a bit off. Jarvan is classed as a Diver in Riot's eyes https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

SlampieceHawkeApr 30, 201710 votes

What's a jarvan? is that an Egyptian god card?

JRobin31May 1, 20171 votes

Yes! Yes, it is!

Best Darius KRMay 1, 20171 votes

No, that's Slifer, you know, the Sky dragon....

You're probably thinking of "Jarvik"

Irelia BotMay 1, 20174 votes

Wrong

J4 is a burst assassin

ShaolinToiletMay 1, 20174 votes

Maybe a couple of metas ago

LegacyDAPMay 2, 20171 votes

This ^

zacktootallApr 30, 20172 votes

um have you seen a true tank build jarvan there is a reason why the man is classified as a tank

LegacyDAPApr 30, 20171 votes

But he does shit loads of damage. You can build tank on Garen, that doesn't make him a tank. Jarvan has pretty much no CC and he relies on his high damages.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 30, 20174 votes

he has no cc? his q e combo for knock up and engages? his aoe slow on W (also a shield for him) and his ult ?

seems like cc to me

Jaygo41May 1, 20177 votes

Pretty much no CC.

This guy.

Get a load of this guy. A knockup, a slow, and cataclysm.

You're something else.

LegacyDAPMay 2, 20171 votes

Cataclysm is not true CC, pretty much all champions get out of it without any trouble nowadays. What exactly were the stats on his slow again? 15% pretty much until level 14. His Knock up is really his only CC.

You're actually stupid if you think that's enough CC to be a tank. Or that it's even good CC.

zacktootallMay 1, 20171 votes

"no cc" he has a knock up, a slow, and a arena..........

garen is a type of tank called a juggernaut

Elkington VIApr 30, 20172 votes

Jarvan can get incredibly tanky if he builds for it and he initiates fights like a boss. He just happens to be able to do a ton of damage IF he builds for it, similar to Sion, and sacrifices some defense. Add to the fact that most games these days end rather early and that's why most people just build damage Jarvan, to capitalize on his early-mid game strength as a damage threat.

A better question is why a champ like Trundle is listed as a "tank," even though he has zero ways to initiate teamfights, but can be played as a pure support.

ChaddyFantomeMay 1, 20171 votes

Jarvan doesn't have any tank steroids, has minimal disruption and mostly serves as a damage dealing/shredding fighter/initiator as opposed to a meat wall.

Elkington VIMay 1, 20171 votes

Minimal disruption? He can knock up an entire team (twice if they stay in his standard's range) AND has a terrain ability. That's about as disruptive as a champion can get. His shield serves as his tanking mechanic, as it increases in strength based on how many enemies he hits with it (which also happens to provide an AoE slow), especially after the buff as it now scales with his maximum health. That's far more useful to a team than a meat wall, especially these days when penetration is so strong.

The only other champions that come close to his level of disruption are Nautilus, Alistar and Leona. Sion kind of comes close, but his abilities are so telegraphed that they're easy to avoid most of the time.

Troll for TrumpApr 30, 20172 votes

Guy needs a rework, fast.

WarpesMay 1, 20171 votes

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Guy needs a rework, fast.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20172 votes

He does. Care to explain why not?

LadyRenlyMay 1, 20172 votes

jarvans kinda trash for tank though. I mean...you can, but WHY when you could play someone like Zac who is an...well, an actual tank

Jarvan is meant to be played like a man.

PhDs NutsMay 1, 20171 votes

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jarvans kinda trash for tank though. I mean...you can, but WHY when you could play someone like Zac who is an...well, an actual tank

Jarvan is meant to be played like a man.

Wut.

Jarvan has just as much CC as Zac and the exact same engage, it just requires an additional ability. Zac is literally AP Jarvan.

6SfoolApr 30, 20171 votes

I think the Highest AD item I've ever built on him is item 3022 . He's a tank to me, and a very tanky one at that.

xWatersMay 1, 20173 votes

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I think the Highest AD item I've ever built on him is . He's a tank to me, and a very tanky one at that.

Hydra??

6SfoolMay 1, 20171 votes

Not once. I play him as full tank support, and he's more durable than Braum.

morris1May 1, 20174 votes

What do you even do against Vayne.

WarpesMay 1, 20171 votes

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Not once. I play him as full tank support, and he's more durable than Braum.

that's such a bad and inefficient item on him, it's actually not even funny... titanic hydra is 100x better and still makes him tanky.

as a J4 main, who also often plays him support, it sounds to me like you're missing the point (or a lot of points) of the champion.

Sexy Jack RabbitMay 1, 20171 votes

I dunno, I think it's because they have him with the mindset of being played similarly to Camille, who is a Diver + Tank.

But it also could be because the in-game classes are always off to how the champion players.

EuthenaasiaMay 1, 20171 votes

The classes can be kinda off. I mean it's really become a blurred vision since this whole vanguards and control mage charade became a thing. After all, gangplank is actually listed under support. Because oranges. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Elkington VIMay 1, 20172 votes

GP's support tag is because of Raise Morale (his old E), which used to give a team movespeed and attack damage. He used to be able to go support before his latest rework.