If these bork changes go through, juggernauts will die out completely
Please don't go through with an up to 6 second 25% MS steal.
Please don't go through with an up to 6 second 25% MS steal.
is going to be scary with it as a third item.
If she's going Fervor, which most Kayle players aren´t. At least according to op.gg.
Since for the most part they´re running TLD, Rabadon's after Zerker's, Nashor's and Guinsoo's is almost an absolute must.
Won´t deny it though, Kayle may just have received a replacement for Rylai's that actually benefits her 100%.
The premise behind the old Berserker -> Nashors -> Rageblade -> Rylais -> Runaans -> GA build was mostly the fact that: She did enough damage with fervor, nashors and rageblade (With all the onhits applying via runaans) that she didnt need any more damage. Modern Rylais doesn't allow for this build to be functional, or fervor. If you really need the utility, like the old build, just go Berserkers -> Nashors -> rageblade -> runaans -> Mallet -> (IE / Botrk / Gunblade / GA / Etc.)
Kayle players are a different thing. There is a large gap between those of us that have thousands of games, and those with hundreds. There's a pretty big gap between the first time Kayle players, and the one tricks. The majority of the one tricks right now, are going with Storm raiders and TLD, going Berserkers -> Nashors -> Rageblade -> Attackspeed item / Lichbane -> Situational. TLD is better for harder lanes, while Kayle really benefits from MS with SRS.
Now, new Botrk is going to be crazy on her for a couple of reasons.
Just a good item on a kiting based champion. Even if they don't change it, she makes really good use of it.
is going to be scary with it as a third item.
Implying she isn't already scary
A Kayle with items is always scary.
A Kayle with ult up is always scary.
Maybe not her, but whoever is carrying and is acting like a man will be. Gotta have a lotta respect for teammates who make good use of :Intervention:
A 6 second 25% MS Steal is a bad game design concept in itself. If it doesn't work (enemy has a dash and enough burst to kill you before you can consistently kite), it's worthless. If it works, it feels extremely unfun on the receiving end.
Should they go along with it, I'd suggest a 30% MS steal for 1 sec followed by a decreasing MS steal going down to 10% over a debatable duration (between 4 and 6 secs).
already spread cancer on juggernauts with her fken true dmg and ms boost +stealth and tumbles
they will all build bork
bork looks stronger on any melee, the active looks stronger on ranged champ
i'll buy it on darius, 20% as helps more to get noxian might, bork passive synergize well with black cleaver and darius E passive and it gives 40 AD
so yeah, it's a buff to renekton darius and jax
i thought you were a jhin otp
i thought so too, but in master 100 lp people are better than me at botlane which makes me lose lane hard
can only play top
Wait dood. Why don't you just play Jhin mid? I get that people there might be better than you at mid, but just try it out and see how it's like. It may work like Sona mid.
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they will all build bork
bork looks stronger on any melee, the active looks stronger on ranged champ
i'll buy it on darius, 20% as helps more to get noxian might, bork passive synergize well with black cleaver and darius E passive and it gives 40 AD
so yeah, it's a buff to renekton darius and jax
renekton and jax I can see it working out well with, on a net basis, darius will probably get raped more than he will profit from bork.
Lets be honest. This won't be the first time that an item that looks great for melee carries gets abused by ranged champs
it won't, funny because bork was reworked after its release because it was shit on ranged
riot allowed it for ranged champions
and then bork was nerfed 10 times in a row
Watch it get nerfed right after its changed lol
As far as I know, bork is actually intended to be used by marksmen. You can't call it an abuse if the people who are the main target for an item take it.
As far as I know, bork is actually intended to be used by marksmen. You can't call it an abuse if the people who are the main target for an item take it.
It's never been a pure Marksman item.
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Scandalous.
%-current HP targets tanks, which ADCs are supposed to kill for the team.
You suggest these heretic melee are using our item?
Need to get some range only tags in here.
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Scandalous.
%-current HP targets tanks, which ADCs are supposed to kill for the team.
You suggest these heretic melee are using our item?
Need to get some range only tags in here.
"need to get some range only tags in here"
Nice, while you're at it, we melees would like to reclaim every lethality item in the game as well as cleaver and steraks. Have a nice day with your ranged only bork.
We melees? No, no, Lethality is mainly for Assasins, Cleaver and Steraks mainly for Juggernauts. You'd have to take away these also from Divers who abuse them.
I never said it is a pure marksman item. I said that marksmen are intended to use it. And it is meant to be a core item for champions like Kalista, Vayne, Twitch, etc.
I am not saying marksmen are the only allowed to use it. I say that that item was intended to get picked up by marksmen (besides other classes) for a long time now. So you can hardly call it an "abuse" if they do so.
I have always seen it as a bruiser item tbh. Marksmans have the whole crit AD or crit AS item suites. Why do they reclaim our beloved bruiser bortk ?
We are sad
Bortk is an on-hit item, mostly benefitting champions who are building alot of attackspeed. That includes melee champions as well as ranged.
So it is true that champions like Master Yi and Jax synergise well with it, because of their built in attack speed. But champions like Kalista benefit from it as well, since Kalista wants to hit as many times as possible in a short time window because of the stacking effect of her rend.
I don't really understand why people identify themselves with ranged champions or melees only. =/ I play a fair ammount of different champions, marksmen as well as bruisers or tanks. And I can understand that you call it an abuse if marksmen are using stuff like Frozen Mallet, but that doesn't apply here.
And marksman players are not "reclaiming" it, but you have to understand that some items are meant to get picked up by several classes. Imagine if tank players would come and say now "Why are bruiser players reclaiming our dead man's plate? It is a tank item!" Or if you say that marksman have the whole crit AD item suites.... How about marksman players come and say "Why is Master Yi/Yasuo reclaiming our infinity edge? It is a marksman item!".
Regardless how you as an individual feel about it, Riot decided that it is an item meant for multiple subclasses, not just bruisers.
Riot declared they're balancing it around ranged users
Botrk must have been pretty damn busted at one point if Renekton was buying it, lol.
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Botrk must have been pretty damn busted at one point if Renekton was buying it, lol.
It's always been a viable life steal option on Renekton for the chasing potential and because his W applies on-hit effects multiple times.
It's always been okay or good on Renekton due to his W just loving on-hits. This will most likely just replace tiamat items for him simply because of the better active (for Renekton since the heal was meh on him compared to the slow) and the better stat allocation.
It's a marksman item, it's like your saying ADC abuse IE and BT.
was thinking the same thing, as soon as I saw the new passive I was getting a fun idea to use it on darius.
the lifesteal got buffed too so darius can sustain even better
But he doesn't need lifesteal, and his Q and passive won't apply lifesteal anyway (in lane corrupting pot and Q + his great base regen are enough ; in teamfights you are happy if you can even attack people in melee for more then 2s as Darius).
Big NO for Darius. Get dead man's and sprint if you wanna run faster then them. Also Triforce is still super underrated on him.
I like this idea.
Will adc abuse it though for super kiting? Maybe cut down from 6 to 3 for them?
Going Botrk on Darius after BC is a bad idea imo, generally you want to go tank stats to be more durable in team fights to be able to survive that initial burst. And not rushing BC on Darius is not that great since it gives him everything he needs from an offensive/tanky item (CDR, HP, AD, movement speed)
He is saying juggernauts will die out BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL STEAL THEIR SPEED FOR 6 SECONDS.
Kited to death basically.
Going Botrk on Darius after BC is a bad idea imo, generally you want to go tank stats to be more durable in team fights to be able to survive that initial burst. And not rushing BC on Darius is not that great since it gives him everything he needs from an offensive/tanky item (CDR, HP, AD, movement speed)
buddy. even with 6 tank items and no cleaver you will still die in around 3 seconds give or take late game. I have 250k mastery on darius. my most played ranked champion. made it to platinum and I've been playing since season 6 begun so not that long ago but I had a glimpse of S5. few weeks. ever since everyone just dies too fast. unless you picked a team that has no dps. too many champions have way too many low cooldown sources of damage. the other day I had 250 armor. and a caitlyn with no last whisper did 1.2k damage to me in under 4 seconds because of her headshots. 4 tank items and 2 damage items is fine.
crit carries aren't weak they just can't survive the lane against malzahar brand and what not because they one shot them. however they are still completely and utterly bullshit to play against if they had half decent peel.
I think few days ago i had over 4k hp on darius. enemy team literally had no voidstaff or last whisper. and i still fucking died in 3 seconds. again what people see in pro play is stupid where maokai takes focus fire for a while because in solo queue you usually lose games very early if enemy team picked a non crit adc or win early. if games ever go to late game that caitlyn jinx twitch is going to shit on you. its just how attack speed and crit compounds aa damage is pretty ridic. although i give a shoutout to jhin. the only adc that stays relevant with no crit because his 4th auto crits automatically so yeah hes been broken for a year since release.
buddy. even with 6 tank items and no cleaver you will still die in around 3 seconds give or take late game. I have 250k mastery on darius. my most played ranked champion. made it to platinum and I've been playing since season 6 begun so not that long ago but I had a glimpse of S5. few weeks. ever since everyone just dies too fast. unless you picked a team that has no dps. too many champions have way too many low cooldown sources of damage. the other day I had 250 armor. and a caitlyn with no last whisper did 1.2k damage to me in under 4 seconds because of her headshots. 4 tank items and 2 damage items is fine.
crit carries aren't weak they just can't survive the lane against malzahar brand and what not because they one shot them. however they are still completely and utterly bullshit to play against if they had half decent peel.
I think few days ago i had over 4k hp on darius. enemy team literally had no voidstaff or last whisper. and i still fucking died in 3 seconds. again what people see in pro play is stupid where maokai takes focus fire for a while because in solo queue you usually lose games very early if enemy team picked a non crit adc or win early. if games ever go to late game that caitlyn jinx twitch is going to shit on you. its just how attack speed and crit compounds aa damage is pretty ridic. although i give a shoutout to jhin. the only adc that stays relevant with no crit because his 4th auto crits automatically so yeah hes been broken for a year since release.
No capitalization, didn't read.
gtfo back to school and be a teacher if you want to tell people how to write.
No capitalization, didn't read.
Going Botrk on Darius after BC is a bad idea imo, generally you want to go tank stats to be more durable in team fights to be able to survive that initial burst. And not rushing BC on Darius is not that great since it gives him everything he needs from an offensive/tanky item (CDR, HP, AD, movement speed)
Attack speed is underrated on Darius, problem is there's never been a good attack speed item for him, and he'd be too squishy without going tank.
Against squishies I think Darius would prefer Triforce over Black Cleaver, the attack speed really helps with his passive.
i might just buy it on
then, sounds fun for his passive
The changes are getting reverted on the next PBE patch.
BotRK on Juggs? Debatable as hell.
If this goes through im playing Lucian Top with bork rush.
dude blade of the ruined king compared to other items is completely obsolete. Do you see anyone building this item anymore? Not even vaynes build botrk anymore. Why are you complaining?
The issue with botrk was it relied on getting two or three items to make use of the life steal and attack speed which were always mediocre compared to the unnerfed active and the ad was outmatched by the old ghost blade. Now that they moved the stats around, you are getting more ad and life steal upfront so it scales better with atk speed items instead of being a one note active and forget item.
will be back in meta for this guy.
sarcastic tone Adcs already have more range than you are are faster than you and have more moblity spells and stronger cc than you (a 2+ second 50-80% slow is stronger than a 1 second stun versus a melee. Only time it matters is if the champion is ranged or a hyper mobile assassin) Why not give them more movement speed so they are harder to catch when catching them is supposed to be how you counter them and you have to go through all their body guards to do it.
They have been reverted and there will be more work on it for 7.5 they said.