So where are the ADC buffs?

fuffychan·Feb 22, 2017·2 votes·693 views

Read the entire patch notes and...???

9 Comments

Handy Sandy Feb 22, 20172 votes

Why do they need buffs

DynikusFeb 22, 20171 votes

because outside of the few that use lethality, they're still in a bad spot.

Handy Sandy Feb 22, 20172 votes

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because outside of the few that use lethality, they're still in a bad spot.

The adcs aren't the problem, lethality itself is. Nerf it instead of buffing all the other champions.

DynikusFeb 22, 20171 votes

what? I don't think you understood what I said. ADCs were bad before lethality buffs. Lethality buffs made a few adcs good. Outside of those that use it, adcs are still in a bad spot. None of the crit adcs really have time to build items that would make them relevant, or by the time they do, the game is already at a point where the winner is decided. If you remember, prior to lethality taking over every thread on the boards, the boards were filled with threads complaining about how bad ADCs were, or threads asking if _ mage was viable bot because people wanted to take basically anything but adc there.

As with everything, the board horrible exaggerates how bad ADCs are, but the point still stands that they're not in a good spot, outside of those that abuse lethality.

MizayaFeb 22, 20171 votes

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The adcs aren't the problem, lethality itself is. Nerf it instead of buffing all the other champions.

The champions played were more or less the same before the lethality buffs. We saw Jhin, Varus, Ashe from the beginning of the competitive season, lethality buffs only elevated Jhin and Varus to a slightly better spot than Ashe.

Mechanics PlzFeb 22, 20172 votes

I wish we could play a Crit Build Marksman besides Ashe and not feel like we are trolling our team.

Dark NephthysFeb 23, 20171 votes

That depends on which ADCs you feel needs the buffs. All the lethality ADCs are really strong right now and getting nerfs in this patch (or next patch). Though I will agree that the Crit ADCs really need help, mainly my favorite ADC Tristana . What annoys me more though was the fact that they nerfed Warlords. Most of the Lethality ADCs used Deathfire, while all the crit ADCs used Warlords and now with that nerfed they'll have an even more trouble in lane against the lethality adcs.

Now we'll either have to deal with the weaker Warlords, or move over to Fervor. I guess it wouldn't really matter in Tristana 's case though since Fervor is pretty good on her and Fervor was just buffed but this would really hurt the ADCs that didn't really synergize with Fervor and only had Warlords as an option.

TheHappyReaperzFeb 23, 20171 votes

Corki was overpowered, and is getting nerfed, Ashe was being abused slightly in pro-play, so Riots weakening her effect in that, Jhin and Varus are too strong with lethality, with Jhin being a bit too strong regardless, both have some nerfs for them, Kindred is getting buffed (?) Don't play much Kindred, don't know how the changes will effect her, Caitlyn is doing fine, maybe a little overbearing, Quinn is strong with lethality, but with that toning down, she should be back to a good middle ground, Sivir is pretty much fine at the moment, actually surprised she wasn't one of the lethality abusers. Trist was buffed a bit back, Lucian as well, and Vayne is stable at the moment.

DolasaurFeb 23, 20171 votes

It's the Last Whisper change. In a context video or post recently, they mentioned they thought that tanks were too strong in the early-mid game because of armor stacking, and then too weak late game because of the abundancy of shred and penetration. So by changing LW to give more %BAPen (and not requiring a full item's investment), they've increased ADC agency by improving the options available in the mid game.

I don't know whether or not it will have a strong effect. But that's what they were thinking.