Anyone else think the kat rework is really good?

StevoTheCreator·11/14/2016, 4:32:47 PM·101 votes·6,578 views

Even despite the crap winrate?

Shes an above average dueler with good escapes which consiquentially makes her a good split pusher.

Her teamfightng is still meh but on par minus resets which are still ok and her laning phase is godly right now.

If you look at champ.gg it looks like kats are having a hard time during the laning phase when in reality it received a major buff.

This all leads me to think people are playing her poorly and she is not in fact bad

edit* example of dueling power https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ooZYoHR9qM

113 Comments

Xeruon11/14/2016, 4:37:36 PM52 votes

Most importantly; she takes skill now. You have to plan out your assassinations, rather than simply waiting for the enemy team to blow their CC, then facerolling. I can respect that.

Keira Helsh11/14/2016, 5:02:04 PM13 votes

As a separate thought, the metrics for Kat are going to be all screwed up by the play rate increase. People that don't even play Kat are trying her out and getting a lot of losses racked up. Riot really needs to let time pass before deciding to make any changes. But, as a Kat player, I feel like her burst may be too high, and her survavibility a little too low.

Skias11/14/2016, 7:15:54 PM8 votes

Its pretty funny watching Kat players get stuck and killed because shunpo can't ward jump. Best nerf ever

paisy11/14/2016, 6:46:25 PM6 votes

Win rates are a bad way to judge a champ that's just been reworked, people need some time to learn

DDasani11/14/2016, 4:37:48 PM6 votes

I love the new kat. I havent played her myself but I've seen voyboy play her aloy and he loves her and even found a way to get a double proc on shunpo

castlecrashsteve11/14/2016, 4:55:21 PM4 votes

Hmmm im not sure 41%WR is kinda shit

Keira Helsh11/14/2016, 4:40:09 PM4 votes

I think the new Kat is fun in a lot of ways, and does keep in line with her old kit. However, a big problem I have is the same problem that many of the assassin updated champions have, not Kat focused. Though a part of me still wishes that they gave me a reason to auto attack more on her.

Papa Slothy11/14/2016, 6:50:18 PM4 votes

shes alright, really easy to play against though

Thegreatxiu11/14/2016, 9:06:41 PM3 votes

So I'll describe all my feelings on new Kat because I can. I hate how she feels. I hate how her W works. I hate how you can't ward jump. Before with Kat I'd place a ward in my lane so I'd always have something to bounce around to so I could dodge skillshots and win trades that way. I can't do that anymore. Kat's daggers last so little time that they aren't useful for anything besides projecting to your opponent that you want to go in in the next 5 seconds. Kat's damage also feels clunky. Her passive has a 1.0 AP scaling. Two daggers from one round of spells does 2/3s the damage of your fully channeled ult. Her Q feels like it's only point is to drop a dagger because it no longer bounces much and has to have terrible scaling cause of her passive. With all that said I like the new rework. It now takes some contemplation on what you're doing as opposed to just knowing when you could kill. Her new Shunpo mechanic of choosing where you land by the target feels amazing. Her outplay potential now exists. Overall I think it's a good rework and I have to just get used to her longer damage window.

RavenMagus11/14/2016, 9:37:00 PM3 votes

Katarina main here, and the rework is really good.

Her laning phase is still really bad, but it was absolutely awful before (her lane phase before consisted of "don't get near creeps, get CS with bouncing blade and hope you harass them too, last hit with W when you can"). Her teamfight is quite a bit worse; she can do a lot of damage but it takes some setup and it's not nearly as quick as before. Pentakills are going to be really hard to achieve now unless the enemy team just stands inside your ult - resets don't result in nearly as much instant damage anymore.

Shunpoing around lane with all the dropped daggers is fun, though. You can actually get kills before lv 6 if the enemy laner isn't careful.

Honestly the rework overall feels like a nerf. Laning phase is still bad, she's a lot less safe since she can't ward jump, and her teamfight isn't as instawin if she's ahead. It is really fun to play though, and is more satisfying.

Penns11/14/2016, 4:43:55 PM2 votes

I like it, harder to play, but you can also make more plays that werent possible before.

drakuIa42111/14/2016, 4:42:29 PM2 votes

I really like how flexible and rewarding she is now, but it will definetly take some time to get used to

GrReaper9611/14/2016, 8:01:01 PM2 votes

If her W could grant her a small damage reduction like old shunpo or even tenacity that would be great. Otherwise shes much more fun to play now i guess

Zerenza11/14/2016, 11:55:15 PM2 votes

I have a 67% winrate with her which is 20% higher than pre rework when I tried playing her.

I think that her winrate is due to people not knowing how to play her which happens with every rework and new champion.

Nameless Voice11/14/2016, 4:48:18 PM2 votes

I actually like it a lot. There's a lot to re-learn, but I can see so much potential in her kit now, both for her to outplay her opponents and for her opponents to outplay her.

I'm generally not a huge fan of the term "outplay", because it's often very one-sided (the champion has options to use their kit to make an opponent ineffective), but Kat actually looks like it works both ways with her.

That said, I've only seen her in a couple of games (she's often been banned), and played her myself a handful of times so far, so these are only my early impressions.

FoeSheezy11/16/2016, 4:42:08 PM1 votes

the rework was not needed. kat was not banned ever and if you picked kat into too much team cc she was worthless. the new kat is worse all around and cc still ends her.

i see absolutely nothing "good" about the rework. yes she got the best rework but that doesnt mean the rework is good.

Shadow Hazard11/14/2016, 7:40:17 PM1 votes

I think it is definitely a good rework, and I hope riot gives the community time to learn and maximize her skill cap before considering touching her.

PlanetWarwick11/14/2016, 8:23:56 PM1 votes

Too counterable, her main damage comes from the dropped knives so it's kinda like Heimer as in u gotta wait for people to slip up

TFBaam11/15/2016, 2:33:06 PM1 votes

no, and even though her rework was a success, and her laning recieved buffs, its still poor, atleast for a mid laner. its hard for her to shove the lane without being in danger

Deus Imperator11/15/2016, 3:45:20 PM1 votes

Pros:More fun

Cons:MUCH weaker, why most of her damage budget goes into that dagger minigame?

Diri11/15/2016, 4:21:21 PM1 votes

Also, she's just incredibly fun now. The old kat felt pretty stale but I am having so much fun with this rework.

Joseraph11/15/2016, 5:13:16 PM1 votes

Her winrate might be because of people learning her again, and "those people" who think she's 0skill EZ cheese champ

strut11/15/2016, 7:19:37 PM1 votes

I really like it yeah

A Red Herring11/15/2016, 8:35:43 PM1 votes

She's a lot of fun now and rewards decision making. I like it :)

6Sfool11/15/2016, 9:33:26 PM1 votes

I didn't play assassins before the rework, because they didn't look all that fun to me. I picked up Kat now, since she looks fun as hell. She's really clunky if you don't know what you're doing, but looks and feels really smooth if you pull off a good combo. Problem is she becomes relatively predictable with all he dagger placement. Someone with good aoe stuns and good prediction could beat the hell out of her.

Also, what do people think about Lich bane on her? The mana is wasted but it adds a 50% ap ratio on her e. I build that with gunblade and stormraider's and am able to run and blink circles around most anyone.

Rockm Sockm11/16/2016, 8:38:14 AM1 votes

I just can't believe they found a waste make her laning even worse.

Her base damage is even my re abysmal unless they are dumb enough to stand I'm your puck up dagger range.

W is ruined......it's not even a spell anymore. You literally don't do anything but drop a dagger.

The kit is still fun but it feels like playing kat's evil twin.