so they decided to overnerf 
getting her to lose half her playrate and drop to 48% winrate.
Now they refuse to nerf the recently buffed high banrate high pickrate high winrate 
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its nice to see tristana back in the botlane,mostly because her counter is permabanned,but i dream of a day where i see more than 3 champions played in the botlane.
Morgy Morgy33 voteshonestly i dont think draven is punished enough for failing to catch axes q is on a really short cooldown and doesnt cost much mana at all, plus he can have two going at once, so if he does end up dropping an axe he still has another one, and by then his q should already be available anyways. i think the ridiculous damage and early game power is what makes him unique, but his q is just so powerful and doesnt have any counterplay. make the cooldown a lot longer and make it cost more mana, lose a lot of passive stacks when he drops an axe, just make dropping axes a big deal.
KoKoboto11 votesI never thought about that but I agree fully. Although it costs heavy mana early later on the mana cost doesn't matter.
ALSO later on catching axes doesn't matter when it only takes a few axes to kill stuff. Draven decreases in skill as the game goes on which is funy xd
Morgy Morgy6 votesdraven is also one of the more vulnerable adcs, unless the team is coordinated a lot of the time he can just survive with very little health and then heal it all back because life steal lol i dont think he should be better than kog at killing tanks, but he is that should be like kog's thing if his early game is hit hard enough it'll be a lot harder for him to just destroy everything late game
FlameanatorX4 votesHave you played 6 item kog built correctly? Tanks just disappear off your screen like anything else you right click. Draven's strong at killing tanks too, since he's an adc with a steroid, but not kog levels of tank-killing strong...
TwitchInMyPants4 voteshonestly i dont think draven is punished enough for failing to catch axes q is on a really short cooldown and doesnt cost much mana at all, plus he can have two going at once, so if he does end up dropping an axe he still has another one, and by then his q should already be available anyways. i think the ridiculous damage and early game power is what makes him unique, but his q is just so powerful and doesnt have any counterplay. make the cooldown a lot longer and make it cost more mana, lose a lot of passive stacks when he drops an axe, just make dropping axes a big deal.
To be fair the reason for that is they want the axes to feel like bonus damage and not to entirely punish you for failing to catch them. The axes were not too strong for a while so it felt fine. I think they have to choose though, does Draven get to spam axes but the damage is lower than other attack bonus, or does he keep the super high damage but use less axes? Because it can't stay both.
Durzaka4 votesHis Q has a lowish mana cost because all of his mana gets sunk into his W during fights, because he needs the spd boosts.
ChaoticPinecone3 votesSpinning Axe COST: 45 MANA COOLDOWN: 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 / 8
Thats hardly a short cooldown. It doesnt get below 10 until level level 7. MF's Q has a short cooldown. Draven's is pretty average.
ProfDrDeath4 votesExcept that this ability is not "cast once, then be on cooldown". Rather, it is "cast, then use till you drop it." Considering that, I think a 15-20 second cooldown is more warranted to really punish Draven for dropping an axe.
EDIT: Maybe reduce the cooldown for every non-axe autoattack that hits an enemy, though.
Jonxx2 votesLong cd, and reduce it by 1s every time he catches axe.
Lying From You1 votesDraven is currently fine.. he's a lot less strong than people think he is. The only reason what people should complain about Draven is about death's dance that make him basically a Tank with the huge amount of healing it provide and the damage reduction.
Riot should just nerf DD or change the healing done on draven so his Q doesn't stack life steal with his normal AA.
In all honestly I feel tristana mf and jhin are currently way more powerful than Draven
Rocnation9812 votes
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That looks like MORE than 3 botlaners to me?
Cosmic Warper4 votes
Corki is garbage botlane btw, but Yeah botlane is actually pretty diverse atm.
Ahristocats1 votes
fuffychan11 votesAll about the E-$port$
AcidTheWarlock12 votesI doubt you watch any LCS at all; in fact I doubt anyone that comments this watches it. Draven has been picked, what, twice? He's terrible in pro play and performs terribly when picked. I remember watching a Phoenix1 match and it was picked for Arrow since it's his best champ and he only got a kill by about the 25 minute mark.
If you're gonna bitch, bitch about the fact that his skillcap is way too low for what it should be. Not LCS.
My Heartshaker3 votesAh yes, the E-Sports hate bandwagon. At this point, I doubt you even know what you're talking about and you're here just to be a pain in the ass.
Marshbouy11 votesCan Riot's Balance Team Stop Forcefully Changing The Meta?
proceeds to list nerfs of one champion that was complained about endlessly on the boards ok? How are they forcefully changing the meta?
My Heartshaker2 votesRight?
It's like these people are so hypocritical - you've got people who are crying for nerfs for one champion then when they do get nerfed, it's like they didn't want them getting nerfed in the first place.
Make up your fucking minds.
Marshbouy2 votesobligatory "but the boards aren't one entity" and it isn't, but that doesn't mean Caitlin shouldn't have got the nerfs she deserved.
SwiftKitten886 votesmaybe its just me.. but as someone who mains a champ that hasn't had a winrate above 46% in nearly a year.. getting "overnerfed to a 48% win rate" really makes me not like your argument at all.
i mean i don't like them forcibly changing the meta either.. but.. i would be practically ecstatic for my champ to get to a 48% win-rate right now...
Marshbouy2 votesi would be practically ecstatic for my champ to get to a 48% win-rate right now...
it would also mean she would be in LCS again and everyone would hate her once more.
LankPants2 votesmaybe its just me.. but as someone who mains a champ that hasn't had a winrate above 46% in nearly a year..
http://lolalytics.com/champion/Nidalee/
Can we cut the bullcrap?
AwesomeGuyDj2 votesWait who is tristana's counter? THe only PERMA ban (atleast at high elo,) is zac
TurquoiseYoshi4 votesProbably Cait because she beats Trist in lane and is permabanned in pros, but that doesn't make sense with the earlier part.
OtterlyLost2 votesWait who is tristana's counter? THe only PERMA ban (atleast at high elo,) is zac
Draven is a good counter to Tristana. And Cait before she was over nerfed was a good skill match up that leaned in Cait's favor. Lucian also is a good skill match up that leans in Lucian's favor. Sivir shits on Tristana as well; if Trist gets shoved under early, she can't farm properly and Sivir can easily do that with Trist being unable to push hard enough back. The CD and Mana cost on Tristana's E is too high for her to out push Sivir.
Blakiepug2 votesI was finally starting to feel like the game was in a decent state, then all of a sudden Jhin got massive buffs and lethality got buffed in back-to-back patches. Like is this even the same balance team that saw what lethality did to the meta all winter long? Did we learn nothing?
aspects12 votesit wasnt an overnerf to caitlyn and since she was sitting at a 30% playrate, half isnt that much
DoktorKaiser1 votesCait still 1 shotting me so I dont really see how she is more fun to play against... Dont even want to talk about Tyler
Arakadia7 votesNow that we have replays, you can share with us some clips of Caitlyn one shotting you. Please do so you have some evidence.
DoktorKaiser1 votesWhy should I bother when you can easily try it yourself. Here are the steps you can take to replicate it:
play a full squishy late game
try to move away from your tower because of reasons
step into a trap because its impossible to do otherwise
get 1 shot
Arakadia8 votesBecause it takes you 7 minutes while I have to spend 45 minutes JUST FOR A CHANCE AT GETTING A CAITLYN IN MY GAME.
I have never once been one shot by Caitlyn. Unless she is really freaking fed, notta chance she'll one shot you.
Your claiming something, so you should provide the proof. I cannot force an enemy caitlyn into my game, force neither team to end or ff for 45 minutes, and successfully pull off these steps. And I wouldn't waste my time on such a blatant lie.
Jorencice1 votesBecause it takes you 7 minutes while I have to spend 45 minutes JUST FOR A CHANCE AT GETTING A CAITLYN IN MY GAME.
I have never once been one shot by Caitlyn. Unless she is really freaking fed, notta chance she'll one shot you.
Your claiming something, so you should provide the proof. I cannot force an enemy caitlyn into my game, force neither team to end or ff for 45 minutes, and successfully pull off these steps. And I wouldn't waste my time on such a blatant lie.
You've never seen a perfect headshot-trap-e-headshot combo follow by a q. It can be done in about 1.5 seconds.
No one counts one shots as literal 1 hit. It's usually in a second or less of ability are counted as 1 shots.
Arakadia1 votesThat combo would also require you to be fed.
But DoctorKaiser clearly said earlier that all you have to do is step on a trap and her headshot will one shot you.
Jorencice1 votesThat combo would also require you to be fed.
But DoctorKaiser clearly said earlier that all you have to do is step on a trap and her headshot will one shot you.
I know a master tier adc main. He's shown me that combo being 0/0/0. Course he was 6 and he had to use hit ult to finish off the stage.
But the draven walked up got trap-aa-E-AA -ult and he died. Draven had been in the lane for like 4 seconds just came back from buying so he was at full life. All of it was done in like 2 seconds all out of dravens range.
He said at his tier it requires a little bit of luck because people can react so fast that the trap often doesn't trigger even if placed behind them though.
Somebody Love Me1 votesNow that we have replays, you can share with us some clips of Caitlyn one shotting you. Please do so you have some evidence.
Dextix LT3 votesJhin was at less than half hp...
KuroCaliber2 votesAnd he let shivv charge, and cause headshot was up, and both CRIT.
Somebody Love Me1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kTtIXExK,comment-id=0006000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-27T10:01:01.631+0000)
Jhin was at less than half hp...
It was at least 50% but Cait did it all in one auto because of Shiv. Sustained DPS shouldn't burst
Dextix LT1 votesIt was around 40%, Cait had headshot, crit and shiv together. We also do not see her items.
Of course Jhin would die.
Arakadia1 votesI'm not watching the whole 6 minute video to find a one shot for two reasons:
Dextix LT1 votesSo you are conceding the argument. Alright....
Arakadia1 votesNo because that video is unrelated.
The original guy complaining about one shots said a Caitlyn could one shot him from just one trap head shot, which is unaffected by lethality.
Dextix LT1 votesYou ask for a video of a oneshot by Cait. You are provided it, then you make an excuse why it does not count and is "unrelated".
You are a conceding the argument in face of proof.
Arakadia1 votesI asked for a replay of him getting one shot by Cait when he stepped on a single trap. That is why a 6 minute video without a time stamp is not related.
Edit: In addition that video is showing lethality Caitlyn bursting people. Which more likely means only lethality Caitlyn can burst that well and lethality is the problem for her.
SoccerTrolls1 votesCan we just not play by the meta? The LC$ don't define the meta, nor does the balance team
Rainfall2 votesthe meta train has no brakes you either get on it or get crushed by it.
deadlychuck2 votesEven more so that way, as they keep increasing the disparity of "meta" and "non-meta"
5050BS1 votesIts stupid that there are only about 20 champs out of the what 160? that you can play and consistently preform well with.
Moonfall Saber1 votesI'd like to see Trundle again.