I don't why Yasuo is considered a healthy design

LegitBacon66·Apr 12, 2017·71 votes·4,410 views

When you have a champion who can reach power spikes from a MINIMAL amount of gold it is very unhealthy. Especially this mostly phantom dancer's fault for being so cheap, but still.... you have LATE game hyper carries like Jinx and Tristana who used to be prime hypercarries, but in order for them to be successful they NEED to skirmish/farm and get gold income for at least 3 items to start being very effective and they scale into monsters... kind of like gangplank! Why does Yasuo negate all of that? He can scale whenever he wants. Just give him 2550 gold... + 2600 if he wants infinity edge. I feel like Yasuo's crit needs to work either with his flow bar or with his levels where the crit multiplier by level 13-16 reaches 2x but before that it will scale like 1.1/1.2/1.3 etc. He needs to be a late game niche. Not a "whenever i want to scale i will champion"

156 Comments

SlaktarTaskenApr 12, 201728 votes

He's healthy because flashy = healthy according to Riot and fanbois. You could pour another ton of toxicity into his kit generalist fanbois would still call him oh sir heeeaaalltheeeh

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20172 votes

Question, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

MelledoneusApr 14, 20175 votes

Lee fucking Sin.

GULAG 4 UApr 14, 20172 votes

Don't remember people saying lee sin is healthy.

MelledoneusApr 14, 20174 votes

That's the point: he's not, but Riot and his ~~fuckbois~~ fanboys say he is.

GULAG 4 UApr 14, 20171 votes

Don't remember riot nor anyone saying he is. Well, considering the fact riot considered reworking him, Riot probably doesn't think lee is healthy.

MelledoneusApr 14, 20172 votes

No, they think he's fine, just outdated.

Considering how he still holds the throne as LCS go-to jungler.

yay nibbersApr 13, 201714 votes

Yasuo needs one item less than ADCs to "turn on" (so to speak) because he's a melee champion with the defensive stats of an ADC. If he didn't powerspike in the mid-game there'd be no point in playing him.

Yasuo's been out for just over 3 years now, if his double crit was actually a problem and not something people mindlessly rage over without an ounce of thought they probably would have done something about it by now. I'll admit he could maybe use a small nerf but whether you think he is or not he's actually pretty balanced right now, more than he's been in quite a while anyway.

Also, Infinity Edge costs 3600 gold, not 2600. Almost as much as Trinity Force, and Yasuo does pretty much no damage if he doesn't build this so don't downplay how much gold he needs to spike. PD only does so much on its own.

Side note: you can't really compare him to Gangplank because Gankplank actually has quite a range with his Q, barrels, and ult.

AmazoXApr 13, 20173 votes

Funny thing is Gangplank is much more valuable than Yasuo but no one bats an eye.

AnidanApr 13, 20174 votes

low-key value always nets less rage than something flashy even if the low-key value is out of line. See: Ivern, almost every tank in the game. GP isn't as consistently flashy as Yasuo so people generally rage less about him.

Cosmic WarperApr 13, 20172 votes

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Funny thing is Gangplank is much more valuable than Yasuo but no one bats an eye.

gp's laning phase is garbage and he has counterplay... You can kill his barrels so he can't pop them on you. What's yasuo's counterplay? don't be near a minion wave?

yay nibbersApr 13, 20173 votes

Popping his shield helps.

Cosmic WarperApr 13, 20171 votes

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Popping his shield helps.

True but that windwall prevents so much damage it's insane.

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20174 votes

Yes, because windwall snares you in front of him, has 0 cooldown, and covers the entire fucking lane.

AmazoXApr 13, 20174 votes

The exaggeration level is beyond 9000 or SSGSS x 10 Kaioken.

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20177 votes

Honestly, if I didn't play league and read the description of windwall based off the views of this fucking community, I honestly would believe that windwall snared people, had 0 cd and covers an entire fucking lane. The hyperbolic shit I see here gives me brain aneurysms, more than salty pirate warriors that can't hit face with arcanite reaper.

Cosmic WarperApr 13, 20171 votes

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Honestly, if I didn't play league and read the description of windwall based off the views of this fucking community, I honestly would believe that windwall snared people, had 0 cd and covers an entire fucking lane. The hyperbolic shit I see here gives me brain aneurysms, more than salty pirate warriors that can't hit face with arcanite reaper.

then why are you here?

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20172 votes

So I can tear these dogshit arguments up.

GayFluffyUnicornApr 14, 20172 votes

Which you don't anyways since all you do is shitposting in an very aggressive manner. You complain about people exagerrating about yasuos abilities and you do the same in the opposite direction by ignoring that many champs have cooldowns as well and just got theirs blocked so yasuo can just stay behind for 5 seconds and maybe miss one single creep to go in again.

AmazoXApr 13, 20173 votes

Cosmic, You have obviously never played against a good GP player, In early game it's hard to do anything with your barrels but once he hits level 9, It starts becoming dangerous and at level 13 its impossible to kill the barrel before GP.

I am not writing an essay to someone who mindlessly says ''Don't be near a minion wave?'' Not worth explaining to trolls like you.

GayFluffyUnicornApr 14, 20172 votes

You seem to be a brave man comparing yasuo to gangplank. Like seriously that's an insult to every gangplank main out there. It's not like gangplank is unplayable against most of the meta picks. You get shit on and abused for 20 mins and IF your team MIGHT survive another 20 you can carry them to victory. Whereas yasuo starts to shit on 80% of his matchups from level 2 on.

AmazoXApr 14, 20172 votes

Yasuo has picks that counter him and completely render him useless and you make sound like his a godly character when he barely can maintain a 50% win rate. His complete garbage tier right now.

SpoofghoulApr 13, 20176 votes

2 items? just get item 3086 item 1018 item 1038 and you get 20% as 40 ad and 80% crit Thats huge considering you can spam q to ''increase attackspeed'' So more like 1 item powerspike considering the cost is about that of botrk for comparison Ive seen yasuo's do this and it's really unfair to deal with.

defensive stats of an adc? He has fairly average stats and above average hp regen, so sure but

He has a shield, which is essentially free hp, 100-510, if we take that into account he has the second or third highest hp, sure you can proc it i guess but it's not that hard to get back up again

And his ulti gives him that shield immediately so ima count it as hp

He also has that dumb ass windwall which can be used to block anything he wants even if the projectile is right in his face already due to how it works he can thn proceed to stand on it and spam laugh and be untouchable by ranged champs for 4 seconds

so all in all i would say he has above average defenses.

all in all yasuo gets too much ''free stats'' from all his passives like hp crits and arpen would this be too much in the lategame as a hyper carry? maybe not.

but this does make him spike really easy, makes it really hard to fall behind, and makes him snowball harder then almost anyone

They should gate some of his ''free stats'' better, like through levels, that would fix some of the issues

KoKobotoApr 13, 20172 votes

No shit he's balanced right now, practically everyone knows he's balanced right now. I think you're the mindless one here if you don't see that, people aren't upset because he has a ridiculous win ratio or he's winning every single game... They're upset because the champion is unfun toxic to play against. His bullshit 2x crit passive gives lowers his skill floor by a ridiculous amount and there's absolutely nothing you can do against that unless you are able to constantly beat him down in your lane. There are other lanes though and often with a lead you want to help your team. While you're doing that he's wave clearing insanely easily because of his kit.

AhristocatsApr 12, 201710 votes

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When you have a champion who can reach power spikes from a MINIMAL amount of gold it is very unhealthy.

it's not, darius reaches an amount of power spike for far less gold (black cleaver) same for irelia and jax with triforce, same for a lot of champions

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Especially this mostly phantom dancer's fault for being so cheap, but still.... you have LATE game hyper carries like Jinx and Tristana who used to be prime hypercarries, but in order for them to be successful they NEED to skirmish/farm and get gold income for at least 3 items to start being very effective and they scale into monsters...

maybe in low elo? because in high elo once jinx has zeal IE she can already start to be relevant, as much relevant as yasuo with zeal+IE. If you don't believe me you better watch AeQ BigFat playing jinx

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kind of like gangplank! Why does Yasuo negate all of that? He can scale whenever he wants. Just give him 2550 gold... + 2600 if he wants infinity edge.

give Yi IE+PD, and see what happens. you give a hard carry 2 crit items and wonder why the carry is doing damage? for fuck sake, you really need to wake up because it's the same with everyone. GP can 80-0 an entire team with Triforce+IE if he crits

You only realise this with yasuo because he is the top1 pick rate of melee carries, in reality there is WAY FUCKING WORSE THAN YASUO when it comes to damage Yi with BRK+ginsoo is going to kill anyone in a matter of 2 or 3 second, if you compare both kit you happen to see that yasuo's steroids are limited (reduced crit damage, and armor pen on his ult instead of a free button giving true damage+attack speed) in counterplay

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I feel like Yasuo's crit needs to work either with his flow bar or with his levels where the crit multiplier by level 13-16 reaches 2x but before that it will scale like 1.1/1.2/1.3 etc. He needs to be a late game niche. Not a "whenever i want to scale i will champion"

because obviously yasuo deals more damage than yi and fiora /s

yoshi2790Apr 12, 20172 votes

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maybe in low elo? because in high elo once jinx has zeal IE

You get item 3085 first. High elo players should know this, lmao. Even if you're a support main.

AhristocatsApr 12, 20176 votes

Jinx has waveclear alone, she doesn't need to rush it but hurricane+IE or IE+hurricane will bring the same outcome

japan hate accApr 13, 20177 votes

I really appreciate you trying to help us, but at this point you have to give up. They're just a bunch of parrots, repeating the same old circlejerk again and again, thinking they're being intelligent and original. They don't listen to logic or reasoning.

Yaśuo MainApr 12, 20179 votes

I feel like Yasuo's crit needs to work either with his flow bar or with his levels where the crit multiplier by level 13-16 reaches 2x but before that it will scale like 1.1/1.2/1.3 etc. He needs to be a late game niche. Not a "whenever i want to scale i will champion"

I actually like this idea!

LadyRenlyApr 13, 20179 votes

A lane bully scaling into a hyper carry, lol balanced

JoseraphApr 13, 20175 votes

Yasuo isn't a lane bully after level 2.

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20174 votes

The only lane bully ability Yasuo has is at level 2. After that he isn't one unless in really good matchups such as kassadin or Lux

AmazoXApr 13, 20179 votes

You know what? Riot Games might as well honestly delete him. I could argue with literally anyone why every champion is toxic in its each way, I'm sick of LOW ELO players riding those High Horses.

Do you guys think Vayne as a Marksmen is balanced? Do you guys think Riven Animation cancelling is okay? Do you guys think Ekko having shields, A free button that HEALS him, A free quick restart button that can trigger parallel convergence is okay?

You guys will say NO. You guys have obviously never ever played against any good players.

All this is intended.

What the OP of this thread has no single clue about and rides the high horse bandwagon circle jerk thread even though Yi has a higher pick rate and win rate and so does Ivern and many other champions, I'd like to see the OP himself play Yasuo at Diamond ELO level to realize how freaking garbage Yasuo currently is, Not to forget OP fails to realize that his Double Crit passive is what ACTUALLY Balances him, Yes that's right.

He has a Hidden Penalty on his Steel Tempest and AA. 25% Reduced Critical Damage on His Steel Tempest 10% Reduced Critical Damage on his AA

HONESTLY, If YOU guys can't handle this ''Double Crit Passive'' ON paper that even statistics prove that Yasuo barely can maintain a 50% Win Rate meanwhile all the other mages which supposedly Yasuo counters with HURR DURR wind wall have a sky rocketing better win rate than YASUO.

REMOVE that Double Critical Chance Passive so these haters could shut up, Do it RIOT GAMES.

Then once Yasuo actually reaches about 70%/100% Crit chance, They will realize what their peanut sized brains have created, A monster that will deal 1k+ damage simply with one steel tempest.

OP I dare you to reply to my comment. When are you gonna open your eyes and see these CRYSTAL CLEAR champions that nullify his effectiveness and render him useless for the entirety of the match EXIST RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

Akali Cassiopeia Darius Graves Kennen Jax Malzahar Rumble Riven Olaf Pantheon Poppy MonkeyKing Rammus Nautilus Irelia Renekton .

If you think an AA based skirmisher is this ''OVER POWERED'' when his not even meta, You obviously have never played against several other good champions that will send a shocking zap into that brain of yours after experiencing how good other champions are right now.

Riot Games, You might as well, Seriously Delete Yasuo, Players will move onto other champions and increase other champions pick rates and still completely demolish those low ELO qq players who refuse to acknowledge the fact they are impatient and give in to tilt easily and are lazy.

NineTailedMysticApr 13, 20173 votes

Anyone who says Yasuo is OP is wrong. However it's true Yasuo is poorly designed in that no other champion is as frustrating to play against. I'd say he even beats Teemo and Riven. He's easily hard countered and can be outplayed, not to mention an easy camp. But there has to be a reason why he's hated and banned so much right? Simply because he's so annoying.

valve nerf plsApr 13, 20174 votes

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Anyone who says Yasuo is OP is wrong. However it's true Yasuo is poorly designed in that no other champion is as frustrating to play against. I'd say he even beats Teemo and Riven. He's easily hard countered and can be outplayed, not to mention an easy camp. But there has to be a reason why he's hated and banned so much right? Simply because he's so annoying.

''but there has to be a reason why he is hated and banned so much'' he is only hated in Low Elo and his not eveen the most banned champion in the game .-.

NineTailedMysticApr 13, 20175 votes

Yet, he pulls a decent 43% ban rate in gold+ and a 32% ban rate in plat+. Even in Diamond+ he's banned 17% of the time. Seems pretty high for "only hated in low ELO". It's definitely greater down there, but even high ELOs hate him.

DunkinNoobsApr 13, 20172 votes

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Yet, he pulls a decent 43% ban rate in gold+ and a 32% ban rate in plat+. Even in Diamond+ he's banned 17% of the time. Seems pretty high for "only hated in low ELO". It's definitely greater down there, but even high ELOs hate him.

Diamond+ is not high elo. Over 60% of diamond players are in D5. Only 14% of Diamond+ players are D2 or higher. That means that for every player that could reasonably call themselves high elo, there are 6 more players that are stuck in low diamond with most of those players being in D5. And let me tell you: D5 is garbage. That elo is absolutely rife with low elo mentalities and attitudes and the difference in quality of play between a D5 game and a D1 game is enormous.

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20172 votes

Where did you even get your stats?

https://www.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid

http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Top

Sun Wu RyuumokuApr 13, 20172 votes

lmao i would fight Yasuo all the day over Riven or even worse Teemo/Quinn

LexyyApr 13, 20172 votes

Yes... because Diamond+ is the only thing that matters.

valve nerf plsApr 13, 20173 votes

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Yes... because Diamond+ is the only thing that matters.

maybe because they are more experienced players and thats why riot balances the game around plat to diamond?have you eveer cared about that possibility?

oh wait this is gameplay boards logic does not apply here

SkelenthApr 13, 20175 votes

So Low Elo players aren't allowed to have fun?

AmazoXApr 13, 20172 votes

I want fun too, I want to be invisible and untouchable while going in 1v9 and destroying everyone, But you destroy countless other things by doing that, Get over it, Players of LOW ELO need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.

GULAG 4 UApr 13, 20173 votes

Why should you balance around bronze-gold? They don't even play the game properly. It's like balancing fencing and implementing rules for the shitty people and expect good people to become shitty. It doesn't worth that way.

MannnyApr 13, 20174 votes

I'm going to get downvoted for this because no matter how much sense I throw in people hate this guy but,

Phantom Dancer doesn't provide that much. It's just pure crit chance and AS. I will admit it does provide too much 1v1 power but that's just because Yasuo scales so well with crit becaue it's basically more CDR for his Q. item 3047 pretty much negate the effects of PD so there are counters to him.

NineTailedMysticApr 13, 20176 votes

PD Also has the DR against the person he's hitting which is the big thing. Makes him almost impossible to 1v1 effectively.

AmazoXApr 13, 20175 votes

So you are saying a champion that is a duelist is hard to 1v1, How shocking.

NineTailedMysticApr 13, 20175 votes

He always seemed a poor duelist to me. Loses to most melees and can be outplayed. It's just the PD makes overtly difficult to deal with 1v1. He's fine 1v1 without it.

AmazoXApr 13, 20173 votes

So you say he seems a poor duelist to me but before that you said

PD Also has the DR against the person he's hitting which is the big thing. Makes him almost impossible to 1v1 effectively.

?????????????????

AhristocatsApr 13, 20174 votes

It's not

12% damage reduction will give yasuo a bonus of nearly 200 hp if he has 1700 hp, since in mid game his hp is nearly 1200 it's fucking garabge.

my irelia just destroyed a yasuo yesterday with triforce against ninja tabi and PD you need to stop spreading myths because it's already hard to contain this low elo QQ