Unpopular opinon: I don't watch it, I don't care about it but now I hate it

iTaLenTZ··107 votes·19,152 views

Normally I never bothered with Worlds. It was always that time of the year when balance for SoloQ was a bit wacky but at the same time interesting to see which champs were played at their full potential in the respective meta. But now balance has been so bad throughout the whole season and you could even argue for the past 2 years (ardent censor meta for month's, adc item rework 2x failure, and so much more) that I am totally burned out of playing an unbalanced game that I don't look forward to Worlds.

I even hate it now. All I want is to enjoy League by playing it myself. I don't care about the pro's and Worlds. For months Riot has ignored some oppressive champs and at the same time deliberately overbuff balanced champs just for pro play further screwing over 99,99% of its playerbase and on the other side of the spectrum completely delete champs from the game because 'they aren't interesting enough to watch' so rip their mains.

For months every fucking game we all ban the same champs and pick the same champs over and over again because if anything becomes viable that isn't interesting for pro play it gets gutted. Riot is actively enforcing an unbalanced meta on its playerbase to sell to game to viewers.

Garen, Yorick and Sejuani, Shen become strong picks even though they have plenty of bad matchups and are easily counterable --> Nerf them they are not flashy enough.

An underused champ like Urgot breaks through and becomes meta in pro play in detriment of more flashy meta picks --> On the watch list to get nerfs.

Then we have champs like Graves, Kasai, Jhin, Yasuo, Vladimir, Kayn, Camile, Ahri, Allistar who are fucking overtuned for months left untouched because the belong to the holy group of champs that are deemed worthy for Worlds and viewership.

Then Maple Nectar tries to sell us World patch as "the happy patch because there are plenty of buffs". Champs like Darius, Lucian, Pyke, Rengar, Kassadin, Lee, Kha Zix who are already sitting on a 50%+ winrate and are quite strong already --> Deliberately overbuff them to enforce them into pro play because of flashy Worlds plays. Again RIP soloQ.

If they would buff Lissandra, Ivern, Kayle, Karthus, Nasus, Mordekaiser, Poppy, Orn, Ryze, Rammus, Rek'Sai, Blitzcrank, Leona, Volibear, Amumu, Zac nobody would say a word because when was the last time you saw these champs getting picked or thought "well they seems OP they should get nerfed". Orn, Ryze, Zac, Ivern, Poppy, Rek'Sai are all kept weak because they are deemed toxic for pro play and the other champs are forgotten champs.

I am not going to just blame everything on the balance team. It is pretty clear they are getting orders from above to prioritize viewership. Meddler even said this:

"Worlds on 8.19

We've got our second and final round of balance changes with more focus than usual on pro play in 8.19. It'll be the Worlds patch, so we're also leaning towards conservative changes generally. As a recap the principles we're approaching Worlds balance with are:

- An interesting and fun to watch experience is most important from a viewer perspective.
- A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)
- No champions should be 100% pick/ban, or very close to it
- No major disruption (minimal systemic changes especially, changes to individual champs especially are more appropriate)
- While we're putting more attention into pro balance for the next couple of patches, ideally any changes made should be positive for regular play as well. If not they should at at minimum not be highly harmful to regular balance. That's the case in particular when it comes to buffing champs, with a fair number we believe could buff into pro play relevance but only by making them inappropriately strong for regular players."

I would have no problems in playing a few wacky patches because of pro play and league viewership trying to sell the game if for the rest of the year the game would be in a fun and balanced state but when the general state of the game has been SHIT for 2 years I can no longer accept this. Riot's priority should be to fix the game already. Create a fun and healthy gameplay experience and propperly balance champs around that idea. Towers being shit is even a meme now. We all know they are shit and Riot already said they will buff them but we have to endure a couple of more months with shitty gameplay because Worlds. Same goes for every balance change that needs to happen and will happen like nerfs to Kasai, Graves etc but we have to sit out a couple of more months. How is Riot selling this to 99% of its playerbase?? Is it that suprising that so many people burned out from league? Riot's big selling point was always that the #1 priority were the players but they have actively changed this. Worlds and League viewership on twitch are their #1 priority. But I will end with this. If a game is fun to play it is probably fun to watch. If a game is fun to watch but not fun to play you will not get far.

69 Comments

Disembark38 votes

Correction: popular opinion on boards, not a popular opinion for Reddit/streamers which represent 100x more of the community.

Nevrankroaton4 votes

You don't know this famous upvote farm technic?

Make yourself look like you will be oppressed for thinking differently than the "Evil mass".

Never fail in the board.

Madsin2535 votes

If I need something to put me to sleep I turn on a worlds match.

Works everytime.

woodvsmurph3 votes

Play-ins is probably the most consistently exciting phase of worlds because the players are all so hungry and have their own meta's from their regions rather than religiously following the same meta as everyone else and having 2-4 champs for a role that every team plays. Risks, 1v1 or 1v2 outplays (of tower dives in laning phase) are just generally not rewarded enough to make them worth attempting in most players' and coaches' eyes. So you just end up with rotations and concessions with very little actual contesting of anything until it's too late to matter.

Child of the Pit28 votes

I seriously hope that the whole community will one day get sick of pro play and it will produce very little to no money anymore, so Riot focused again on it's playerbase and selling skins for income, god how Esports just ruins everything for anyone who isn't interested in pro play, i hate it so much

LTK KoRo10 votes

Fortunately boards are minority, and a really big amount of people watch lcs/worlds, while small amount of people cry on boards

Thorn300015 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kPA68XzF,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-19T17:49:38.957+0000)

Fortunately boards are minority, and a really big amount of people watch lcs/worlds, while small amount of people cry on boards

while boards are a minority compared to the amount of people that watch lcs, I am quite positive number of people that watch lcs is very small compared to the overall fanbase...and the boards represent the voice of the overall fanbase more accurately...rito needs to decide whether it wants to be a good game developer, or a TV, because you cant be both

saltran9 votes

How many Boards members are and how many Reddit (from r/leagueoflegends) users are?

Spoiler: Lol sub reddit is waaaay bigger than this trash forums.

I know that both are small compared to the whole community, but I always find interesting how the by far smallest group, in this case the Boards, are entitled to be the whole community voice.

Spoiler: you are not, and pretending that you guys are the voice of the whole lol community is just pathetic to a point I cant even describe.

This place is a fucking echo chamber that hates the game and does nothing but circlejerk about assasins to the point that I have to usually defend assasins as an adc main in the Memes and Games Boards called Gameplay Boards.

AugustHeatHaze1 votes

This place is a fucking echo chamber

yup

Anidan1 votes

I mean, he's definitely not wrong. The forums have been echoing the same anti-pro-play sentiments for years, and refuse to see any good in patch notes unless the patch notes basically read "We're recognizing our mistakes, and in recognition of these mistakes, we're making Tanks, Supports, and Control Mages the immortal god-kings they deserve to be, and putting ADCs, Assassins, and late-game scaling champions into a dumpster as we burn it."

AugustHeatHaze1 votes

? oh did you think i was being sarcastic, i was agreeing lol, sorry, what made it look like i wasn't so i can make sure not to do it in the future?

we're making Tanks, Supports

i constantly see people whining about supports and tanks when they are meta too lmao idek

i think a subset of the community just screams about whatever is doing well, thats what overwatch does and they REALLY REALLY overemphasize it like... when tracer was meta people were saying shit like "tracer can effortlessly oneclip anyone and is a no skill hero NERF" and now they are saying the same thing about widowmaker "widowmaker can oneshot so easily OP OP OP NERF" and its impossible to have actual balance discussion with these people

AirKingNeo3 votes

and the boards represent the voice of the overall fanbase more accurately

what?

NemeBro6 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kPA68XzF,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-19T17:49:38.957+0000)

Fortunately boards are minority, and a really big amount of people watch lcs/worlds, while small amount of people cry on boards

So why do you prefer watching a bunch of out of shape nerds play a video game while laughably saying they are playing a "sport" to playing a fun video game yourself?

LTK KoRo3 votes

Same reasons why people are watching other sports. Because it's entertaining, and because we can't play on theirs level. And because i don't always feel like playing. I love league, but im not a kid anymore, i won't play 10 hours daily, i'd rather prefer to play some league, then watch some league, then do different stuff.

Fortunalety game is fun for people who watch LCS, so we don't have to complain about ad assassins lol.

And if you're complaining on boards about LCS you are much bigger out of shape nerd than any pro player.

saltran3 votes

How can you enjoy the Soccer World Cup when you are probably terrible at soccer or you dont even play it (like me)?

/s

NemeBro2 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kPA68XzF,comment-id=0003000000010001,timestamp=2018-09-20T10:45:14.808+0000)

Same reasons why people are watching other sports.

Other sports, along with, in the case of team sports at least, require the same or more team coordination that League does while also requiring men and women to work themselves to become the peak of physical conditioning. League doesn't. It is strictly inferior as a sport because a weak nerd like Faker can play it, making the entire spectacle less impressive. It doesn't even require the intelligence or tactical acuity the way something like Chess does.

Because it's entertaining, and because we can't play on theirs level.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

And because i don't always feel like playing.

Then do something worthwhile instead of watching a bunch of fat and weak nerds create their own cringe compilation by pretending what they do is cool or amazing. Or, if you must do that, don't whine when people aren't happy with the game being balanced to cater to spectators of fat and weak nerds playing a version of the game most people, even high elo solo queue people, will never play.

I love league, but im not a kid anymore, i won't play 10 hours daily, i'd rather prefer to play some league, then watch some league, then do different stuff.

That's fine. But don't pretend that the game being balanced around making your spectating of a bunch of fat out of shape nerds who can't lift a sixty pound bag of concrete by themselves is okay. =)

Fortunalety game is fun for people who watch LCS, so we don't have to complain about ad assassins lol.

When did I complain about AD assassins?

I don't give a shit about AD assassins. I give a shit about Shen being pushed into the garbage bin when he is almost never too strong in even the highest levels of solo queue. I care about Sejuani getting nerfs when she has a 45% win rate in diamond+ and is almost never played in challenger. I care about Lucian getting a buff when he has like a 53% win rate in diamond+.

I care about the game being actively made worse to play for actual players from silver all the way up to challenger and then those shitty decisions being defended by parasites who watch the game more than they play it.

And if you're complaining on boards about LCS you are much bigger out of shape nerd than any pro player.

I can pick up two eighty pound bags of concrete at once and carry them and lift a seventy five pound five gallon bucket of paint up with one hand. I could easily overpower any two LCS players at once and could take on a hundred Fakers.

LTK KoRo2 votes

We could sum your post as "i hate esports and everyone who's involved in these is a fat nerd". And that's just plain wrong.

You dislike esports, millions of people like esports. For these millions esports are entertaining, despite your arguments (most of them are just opinions btw, and arguments are overflown with your hate).

There's no point in discussing with you. You have too much hate to any kind of pro play.

NemeBro2 votes

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We could sum your post as "i hate esports and everyone who's involved in these is a fat nerd". And that's just plain wrong.

You dislike esports, millions of people like esports. For these millions esports are entertaining, despite your arguments (most of them are just opinions btw, and arguments are overflown with your hate).

There's no point in discussing with you. You have too much hate to any kind of pro play.

No, if people like esports fine, they like them.

What I hate is the game actively being made worse to cater to people who watch other people play the game, instead of people playing the game.

LTK KoRo2 votes

That's a better opinion, and i partially agree.

Shen shouldn't be as gutted as he is. Same with Sejuani. A lot of people don't see a difference between pro play nerfs/buffs and high elo nerfs/buffs, but there are some.

As said before, Shen and Seju got gutted due to being strong in pro play. Latest Seju nerfs came when she wasn't even a high-priority pick in pro anyway, they just were a assurance for her to stay weak.

But there are also outliers. Azir, Kalista and Ryze fully deserve their sub 40 winrates. When these three are a problem in pro play, they're usually also a problem in high elo. Azir and Ryze shouldn't be allowed to reliably go 1 vs 9 because Azir/Ryze/Kalista player spend 100 games learning them.

I agree that a lot of pro-play changes are making game worse for normal players, but Riot said that they don't want to make different patches pro both pro and casual play, and have no intention to do so. And without that, they can't keep both of these healthy

NemeBro1 votes

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But there are also outliers. Azir, Kalista and Ryze fully deserve their sub 40 winrates. When these three are a problem in pro play, they're usually also a problem in high elo. Azir and Ryze shouldn't be allowed to reliably go 1 vs 9 because Azir/Ryze/Kalista player spend 100 games learning them.

I have no problem with broken garbage like Azir, Kalista, or Ryze being poop sandwiches. Azir in particular is the perfect mid-laner if allowed to be strong at all.

I agree that a lot of pro-play changes are making game worse for normal players, but Riot said that they don't want to make different patches pro both pro and casual play, and have no intention to do so. And without that, they can't keep both of these healthy

Yeah, and that's garbage. Anyone who would prefer a version of the game that they will never play, not even if they get to challenger, being the balancing focus over the actual game for the sake of a more interesting game to WATCH as opposed to PLAY is scum.

Bob the Toastr6 votes

Yeah, I used to watch pro matches once upon a time.

Haven't in like 4 years.

Don't miss them at all.

XxXGwanXxX14 votes

"A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)"

What the actual fuck is wrong with this idiot. I used to not like him, now i fking hate him. I don't even think hate is a stong enough word at this point to describe how much i despise the kind of complete idiot he is for fking up a game we all love. Riot used to litteraly have the opposite view point and now the game is dying because of a moron that can't balance for shit.

There's a reason WoW died, and it's this guy.

For the towers thing, they fking know and are laughing at us for it. Just listen to the new Kayn announcer, they fking rub it in our faces that towers are complete shit and they don't care. THEY KNOW AND THINK ITS FUNNY. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.

iTaLenTZ3 votes

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"A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)"

What the actual fuck is wrong with this idiot. I used to not like him, now i fking hate him. I don't even think hate is a stong enough word at this point to describe how much i despise the kind of complete idiot he is for fking up a game we all love. Riot used to litteraly have the opposite view point and now the game is dying because of a moron that can't balance for shit.

There's a reason WoW died, and it's this guy.

For the towers thing, they fking know and are laughing at us for it. Just listen to the new Kayn announcer, they fking rub it in our faces that towers are complete shit and they don't care. THEY KNOW AND THINK ITS FUNNY. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.

Meddler said this not Ghostcrawler. Even though balance and gamplay decisions have been shit for 2 years and he was the main responsable dev he got promoted instead of sacked.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly

You are aware that this is specifically towards LCS, yeah? Cause the rest of your post doesn't show that you are.

NemeBro3 votes

{quoted}

"A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)"

What the actual fuck is wrong with this idiot. I used to not like him, now i fking hate him. I don't even think hate is a stong enough word at this point to describe how much i despise the kind of complete idiot he is for fking up a game we all love. Riot used to litteraly have the opposite view point and now the game is dying because of a moron that can't balance for shit.

There's a reason WoW died, and it's this guy.

For the towers thing, they fking know and are laughing at us for it. Just listen to the new Kayn announcer, they fking rub it in our faces that towers are complete shit and they don't care. THEY KNOW AND THINK ITS FUNNY. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.

Meddler didn't work on WoW.

Thilmer13 votes

I don't think this opinion is unpopular.

Most players give 0 fucks about competitive and get screwed because of absurd balance changes focused in competitive (me included).

OHminus12 votes

Every single time someone puts "Unpopular opinion" in their title

...it's a fking popular opinion thats repeated here over and over again. Who would have thought?

iTaLenTZ4 votes

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Every single time someone puts "Unpopular opinion" in their title

...it's a fking popular opinion thats repeated here over and over again. Who would have thought?

If I would post this opinion on Reddit, which has a much bigger playerbase, I would get downvoted into oblivion because that forum is all about Esport.

saltran3 votes

You would get downvoted because your "unpopular opinion" would be an actually unpopular opinión in the context of the sub reddit.

So you post this on the Boards calling it an "unpopular opinion" knowing that here on the Boards it's not an unpopular opinion and your post will be upvoted.

the weeaboo10 votes

Riot: Buffs the shit out of flashy one shotting oppressive champs to try and get them played as worlds and make it interesting to watch. What actually happens: The oppressive one shots champs are TOO strong, so all the pros play conservatively as fuck to avoid getting shit on by flashy one shot champs.

Guess what happens when you buff Pyke? You don’t get flashy Pyke plays, you get Pyke picks and people fearing for their lives around him and not making plays to avoid getting shit on.

PapaGreg218 votes

I agree with everything you said but Riot is never going to change things for the players. They have made it pretty clear that this is a game for pros and they aren't going back to prioritizing everyone else again. I've just accepted the fact I'm not going to be able to play Ivern, Voli and others anymore in ranked play and that I wasted my money on skins for them.

Vah Medoh2 votes

{quoted}

I agree with everything you said but Riot is never going to change things for the players. They have made it pretty clear that this is a game for pros and they aren't going back to prioritizing everyone else again. I've just accepted the fact I'm not going to be able to play Ivern, Voli and others anymore in ranked play and that I wasted my money on skins for them.

Lucky me, I only spent like 80-90€ before the announced things like "No more refunds on reworked champs/skins". Since then 0€ has been to their pockets from me, and I'm pretty happy since the direction they have been taking the policy on their game. Zero regrets.

rtbf2216514124 votes

Unpopular Opinion: Unpopular Opinion is overused and not always an unpopular opinion.

Nea1043 votes

Unpopular? Is that sarcasm or just click-baiting? :P

saltran2 votes

No, it's an UnPoPuLaR oPiNiOn

ChuShoe3 votes

that's a very popular opinion here

Terozu2 votes

They specifically said theyre not touching Urgot didnt they?

iTaLenTZ3 votes

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They specifically said theyre not touching Urgot didnt they?

For the moment. He just won't be nerfed next patch only. If he is still a strong pick after next patch expect some nerfs.

Terozu2 votes

But Worlds to my knowledge is either being played on this patch or the next one.

And either way Urgot won't be nerfed for worlds.

Which makes mentioning him in this post moot.

saltran1 votes

Dont try to argue with him, it's not worth

Spank the Fox2 votes

For every poster here saying they hate LCS, there’s 10 people who only watch LCS and don’t play the game.

Lauchmelder1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kPA68XzF,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-09-20T00:04:28.723+0000)

For every poster here saying they hate LCS, there’s 10 people who only watch LCS and don’t play the game.

And those people can be ignored.

saltran1 votes

Nah, better ignore the Boards, and specially the Gameplay Boards.

Lauchmelder2 votes

{quoted}

Nah, better ignore the Boards, and specially the Gameplay Boards.

Let's cater to the people that don't even "consume" the product. We saw how that worked for DC...

saltran2 votes

For Marvel it seems to be working really good, the MCU is the definition of success.

DC movies on other hand...

warpenguin5552 votes

This must be your first time visiting the boards. Welcome!

Leto GT2 votes

I rarely say that but I 100% agree. I hate it too now.

JohnnyNeverSins2 votes

They should not change a game based on the 0.01 % that plays on the LC$.

haaaaaaalp2 votes

As someone who does watch pro play, I want to emphasize:

These changes do NOT help pro play.

Changes that help pro play usually aren't bad for solo queue. The reason these hanged seem so much worse for solo q than past worlds changes is because they are also bad for pro play.

iTaLenTZ1 votes

{quoted}

As someone who does watch pro play, I want to emphasize:

These changes do NOT help pro play.

Changes that help pro play usually aren't bad for solo queue. The reason these hanged seem so much worse for solo q than past worlds changes is because they are also bad for pro play.

If that is the case than the live design team really is clueless about what they are doing

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