Her W cooldown is way too long early to be of use in the hands of a newer player. Her moves eat through her mana pool kind of fast too. She did just get a buff to her Q but that was unneeded. Against anyone with any sort of range she can be bullied very easily.
Reikken3 votesI really enjoy(ed) playing (old) Fiora. (She was all about extreme speed, and nothing else, and that was great.)
SoundChaosDebug2 votesOld fiora was just Get hydra and push R
Baby Ghoul1 votesOld fiora was just Get hydra and push R
That's not true.
The thing that got everyone was QAAQAA. She did a lot of damage early game, and that caught people off guard so often. Old Fiora was a binary feast or famine champion, even more so than Yasuo and Tryndamere are. She was the epitome of get ahead early or die for the rest of the game. She had no CC, no escapes, and she was squishy. All she did was a lot of AD damage.
She was also incredibly easy to build against (Thornmail, Ninja Tabi, Randuin's Omen, etc.) and if you were smart enough not to play risky against her early game, she'd likely become irrelevant soon after laning phase. Another thing that really got most Fioras was simply picking first in champion select. Her counters were brutal and unforgiving because she was so one dimensional.
Her ult was more of a last spell used to execute someone or used for lazy diving. It was okay for skirmishes, but she'd never ult a good team and get away from them. During teams it was too chaotic to use because the moment she landed she would be locked down and killed. It could also be canceled or countered by Infinite Duress, Twilight Shroud, Zhonya's Hourglass etc.
I understand her ult was pretty, but that's really all it was.
Reikken1 votesnot how I played her. Ghostblade and Botrk were my favorite items, in keeping with the theme of speed.
Akali is SO HOT3 votesA mana buff on her Q or E would be alright because those are the two spells that eat through her mana.
SaltyKracka2 votesOh, he thinks Fiora has mana issues.
How cute.
Blåbæret2 votesThink Fiora is OP, even when she's not. Good thing Riot knows better.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesMaybe not as weak as you seem to think though, she is still occasionally played in the LCS. She should not be buffed until they get rid of the health scaling true damage, or allow QSS to remove it again.
SaltyKracka2 votesGood thing I never talked about power levels.
Just that she has fuck-all in the way of mana costs.
Weiner the Pooh1 votesThe costs add up really fast, considering she has to constantly rotate spells.
Ralanr2 votesHer W cooldown is meant to be long. It's a really powerful ability.
IAMS4T4N2 voteshow do you run out of mana with her her q literally costs like 10 mana
AstroFerrari 1 votesit costs 40
Ralanr2 votesAt max rank. That's certainly a high cost.
LegitBusinessman1 votesYou can't say she's abysmal to play then talk about how a 'new player' can't feel instantly comfortable on her.
AstroFerrari 1 votesNot the point of what I was trying to say. I've played Fiora since before she was reworked and moderated my view of her current state both for me and for someone just picking her up. Fiora mains aren't the only ones who are gonna play her, and a newer player is going to have a lot more trouble mitigating these issues than someone with experience. Someone new playing this champ would eventually see it as a waste of time.
Ralanr1 votesA newer player who wanted to learn Fiora would get around the issues.
AstroFerrari 1 votesNah. Especially right now they'd probably just play Ryze. Plus, both Pantheon and Irelia are a more worthwhile use of 4800 IP than picking up someone like Fiora, but those are just my 2 cents.
Ralanr1 votesYou realize that a newer player doesn't have a good idea on who is strong and who is weak, so they pick based on preference right?
AstroFerrari 1 votesIf thats the logic you cling to then I think you highly underestimate the intelligence of people who pick this game up.
Ralanr1 votesI actually think you just want Fiora buffs so she'll be easier.
AstroFerrari 1 votesI think you have an irrational hatred for a champions that is statistically and literally one of the shittiest champions at the moment
Ralanr1 votesThat would be Ryze top actually, according to Champion GG. http://champion.gg/champion/Ryze/Top
Or maybe Urgot? Or Aatrox. http://champion.gg/champion/Aatrox/Top http://champion.gg/champion/Urgot/Top
Hell, Poppy is in a worse spot than her. http://champion.gg/champion/Poppy/Top
http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora/Top
Sure Fiora isn't in as good a spot as she could be, but your reasoning for why she should be buffed goes against her difficulty level as a champion. She's not suppose to be easy to use in the hands of a newer player. She's supposed to be a terror in the hands of an experienced player, having a high skill ceiling.
Fiora got buffed for Worlds. Buffed for the pros. She doesn't need buffs for new players, certainly not now.
Edit: Thanks for showing your bias though.
AstroFerrari 1 votesDude are you retarded? I didn't even ask for any buffs in my original post I just said she just feels really bad to play. Oh and next time someone tells you that a champion they play is literally in a bad spot, please proceed to show them other champions that are doing worse and tell them they're wrong to feel how they feel.
Ralanr1 votesYou said literally and statistically the worst champion at the moment. I disagreed and showed you data that supports against you.
And if you aren't asking for buffs, then what is the point of your post? "Fiora's not good. That is all."? You say her moves eat through her mana too quickly, her W has too long of a cooldown, and she's too easily harassed by ranged champions (which, newsflash, most top laners are. That's why we hate ranged top laners).
So if you're not asking for buffs, what are you doing? Complaining for attention? Clearly not because you don't sound like a whiny bitch, you sound like someone trying to analyze something.
Analyze for what? What exactly do you want if not buffs?!
AstroFerrari 2 votesAlright sit tight homeboy I'm about to break this down systematically for you.
"You said literally and statistically the worst champion at the moment." You outright lied, I said she's ONE of the the worst. Scroll up and read if you got a minute. The data you provided also serves no purpose because of that.
I implied she needed buffs cause asking for buffs outright for a universally hated champion on these boards full of circlejerkers like you is suicide. I presented my argument logically and soundly, I said nothing unreasonable. Only stated my recent experience playing Fiora, and there is nothing wrong with that.
All I've asked for in this post if for people to have some sense of objective neutrality and say "hey, this is a champion that literally isn't that good right now, maybe I shouldn't hate the champion for nothing". But nope, there is always those few who just can't take the fact maybe, JUST maybe someone out there doesn't like the fact that Fiora is tough right now
I even stated in the title, I know all of you hate this champion, but she literally sucks right. Read this with an open mind. You didn't do that, you only came here to argue and prove absolutely nothing.
If you believe she's still so strong, go play her for yourself instead of continuing to make yourself look like a brainless idiot here because you've done nothing but waste your own time.
Ralanr1 votesI don't believe she's strong, nor do I think she needs to be strong.
I don't think she should have an easy early game. That's what you seem to want and I disagree. I firmly believe she's supposed to be a mid to late game champion.
QweraRandolphz1 votesgive her back the old ult
