Jhin is, all-around, one of the most well designed champions in this game

AstroFerrari ·Dec 21, 2016·99 votes·6,816 views

His strengths are clear and his weaknesses are too. Becoming good at him does not remove your opponents agency. Even when you're ahead you have to think about the moves you're making. You can't mindlessly ult and using his ult still requires aim. The way his Q can increase it's damage makes you learn to farm better. He can set perimeters with his E, and to a degree, defend himself from flanks.

A lot of people think he's overpowered but he's one of the champions Riot got just right. He was able to become a staple ADC without having to follow the cooking cutter "build AS and crit, kite and shoot" formula.

141 Comments

YagoDec 21, 201628 votes

His design, from a gameplay standpoint, is amazing.

His design, from a thematic standpoint, is awful (at least, when compared to the teasers and such).

His balance is decent, though his ultimate doesn't need an 80% slow on every shot. It's utterly stupid to have the guy catch you out from two screens away. That wouldn't be as big of a deal if it weren't for the fact that it can also 100-0 you if you eat all four shots, which isn't hard when you're permaslowed the entire time and lack mobility.

MissingKayoDec 21, 201610 votes

If you eat all four shots, you deserve to die.

DoktorKaiserDec 21, 201624 votes

Its pretty much if you eat 1 shot, you eat all following shots unless you got a spare mobility spell.

MissingKayoDec 21, 20164 votes

Why are you alone in the first place?

And if you're not alone, why are you not behind the tank who'd either body-block it or deter wasting shots on said tank?

SpârkyDec 21, 201613 votes

better question how are you dying from all 4 shots? It scales off of MISSING health and they nerfed its base dmg a while ago so he couldn't do that anymore. I play so much jhin and i very rarely 100-0 someone im not saying it cant happen its just unless you are like zyra and have very little hp and dont build hp then it shouldn't 100-0 you in the first place.

An Undead bratDec 21, 20168 votes

What

He has the most complex personality out of all champions, he does not fill his archetype to 100% as a "psycho killer", because he's actually an artist with specific and cool art style, that's not cliché or kitsch and his voiceover is very deep and perfectly performed and so is his theme, I actually think the teasers made him look worse and simplier than he actually is.

What you say is something someone who doesn't know him, or someone who does not know how much work was put into him, or someone who just wants to look like a hipster would say.

Papa AndreiDec 21, 20166 votes

The teasers were very different than what we actually got is true, but they were still good.

It shows what killing looks like to him, It showed that he also loves to kill high priority and famous targets

An Undead bratDec 21, 20164 votes

Teasers were awesome, but Jhin is even better than those. Did I mention the fucking awesome splashart?

Papa AndreiDec 22, 20163 votes

Ikkkkk I love everything that is Jhin lol, I love how his High Noon actually makes him like a SNiper robot like his original design.

CresmontDec 22, 20162 votes

im a jhin main and im fairly surprised there hasnt been a new jhin skin yet, ive grown to love the classic

Athenes LuluDec 22, 20163 votes

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His design, from a thematic standpoint, is awful (at least, when compared to the teasers and such).

Actually, if anyone paid attention to his lore/thematics, Jhin is actually multi-talented with a lot of things. Such as dance, music, and even martial arts. The fact that he gets to "do a lot" highlights his ingame ability to actually do a lot, but has nearly everything telegraphed because he likes to make everything his own performance.

So, it still kind of fits the "fancy, time-wasting virtuoso" thematic.

dominusxDec 21, 201627 votes

perfectionnnnnn Jhin

MelledoneusDec 21, 201613 votes

Draven "Perfection? I got that." Jhin "You shout and throw machetes? How quaint." Draven "But... but I like throwing my axes..." Jhin "And what's that you're wearing, a dead squirrel? You look like a caveman." Draven "...I had that c-custom-made..." Jhin "And your hair looks like a bundle of twigs." Draven http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/100/193/ed0.gif

CresmontDec 22, 20165 votes

as a jhin main this gives me great pleasure

TheFancySkeletonDec 22, 20161 votes

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perfectionnnnnn

PerfectJhin.

RalanrDec 21, 20169 votes

Him and Sion are perfectly designed imo.

Hufa123Dec 21, 20162 votes

Vel'koz

NineTailedMysticDec 22, 20163 votes

Take off the ult applying passive buff he got a while ago then we'll talk.

ConturbatioDec 21, 20168 votes

The OP thing about Jhin is his 560 movement speed from his passive. I'm fine with the rest.

SpârkyDec 21, 20165 votes

thats fine because of the fact that he has no mobility spells. Since that is his only one and its not like he can use it every second its around 3-4 seconds before he can get it again and most champs if he uses it have a gap closer so they just jump back on him again.

Only Play DariusDec 21, 20162 votes

Well he does get it on every crit so with the proper build it's less than every 3-4 seconds, however it is compensation for not being able to kite like other ADC's because of how his attack speed works

SpârkyDec 22, 20162 votes

Thats exactly my point thats why i think hes balanced because is strengths are clear and so are his weaknesses

SwarovskoDec 21, 20168 votes

gets played a lot -> people think he's overpowered. He's perfectly balanced, people just play him a lot because he's fun.

Papa AndreiDec 21, 20165 votes

He isn't op at all. He has a job, and does it well, the long range adc without dps or burst.

MorticianjohnDec 22, 20162 votes

He is somewhat OP and if he lands his moves his burst is among the highest for marksmen. His playrate and winrate do indicate that he is slightly OP and additionally he has had nothing but nerfs since his release so to say that he was perfect and balanced upon release is disingenuous even if he is balanced in his current state.

Also he's OP in ARAM too. I'm glad to have another marksman to choose from other than MF but at the same time you can't say that he's perfect upon release.

Papa AndreiDec 22, 20163 votes

He has burst, if you are squishy, and you let him aa q 4th aa. But then he has to run for a good 2 seconds and wait another 5 ish seconds for that sorta burst

SpârkyDec 22, 20162 votes

hes op if he lands his entire kit.... so is every champion if you let them land their entire kit/moves. And at least im not saying he was balanced since release. I say he was pretty damn well balanced ever since his ult nerfs to be on missing % hp that is when i think he was finally close to perfectly balanced.

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 21, 20166 votes

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His strengths are clear and his weaknesses are too. Becoming good at him does not remove your opponents agency. Even when you're ahead you have to think about the moves you're making. You can't mindlessly ult and using his ult still requires aim. The way his Q can increase it's damage makes you learn to farm better. He can set perimeters with his E, and to a degree, defend himself from flanks.

A lot of people think he's overpowered but he's one of the champions Riot got just right. He was able to become a staple ADC without having to follow the cooking cutter "build AS and crit, kite and shoot" formula.

No? Not even close?

His passive has a literal algebraic formula attached to it. He's been a top 3 ADC since a bit after his release. He's nearly impossible to punish with a half-decent support at his side. His passive gives him some of the most outrageous damage as an ADC.

This is not a balanced champion. Not even close. Jhin is one of the most frustrating, annoying, and boring champions to see. Every time I see him, I groan because of how dumb it is to fight him.

SpârkyDec 21, 20167 votes

LOL his passive makes up for the fact that he cant auto attack as fast as other adc's. If he didnt have this passive his overall dps would be shit and he would be the worst adc in the game. If a champion stays around number 3 of the best in that role it means its balanced because its not the most op and its not the worst. Just saying think before you complain about his passive

SpeeedyDec 21, 20169 votes

i disagree he needs to either be slightly nerfed someone shouldnt be sitting in the meta as long as he is becuase he is one of the few ADC with CC. Combined that with like a morg or a leona and its almost guaranteed death to the person in lane.

Walking over a E then get hit with a W for a stun, then the support stun, he then hits you for auto and Q combined if you get away slightly incoming ult which you better dodge. That combo needs to be changed somehow to give you some counter play. He also hits quite hard which is fine.

I think his stun time needs to be reduced or lotus shouldnt slow as much or his ult should do scaling slow like 20% for the first shot, 40% for next consecutive shot, 60% for 3rd consecutive shot, 80% for 4th consecutive shot

SpârkyDec 21, 20163 votes

the only difference with jhin is that he is on the edge of the meta. He is one small nerf from not being in the meta. He is a utility adc so its his job to cc. Hes not like cait who dominates the meta he is always on the outside of the meta looking in. Hes in a good spot useful but not busted.

SpeeedyDec 21, 20161 votes

being a top 4 adc for a year where he is never wrong to pick in any team comp, something needs to change with him that is wrong, cait (who i main) has the same problem but she hasn't been in the meta as long as a top pick

my biggest problem is you can get stunned when you are standing behind minions because jhin W goes through them

all ADC now is Twitch, Vayne, Cait, and Jhin anyone else and you are pretty much putting yourself at a disadvantage unless its a counterpick

Smitty ManjensenDec 21, 20164 votes

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being a top 4 adc for a year where he is never wrong to pick in any team comp, something needs to change with him that is wrong, cait (who i main) has the same problem but she hasn't been in the meta as long as a top pick

my biggest problem is you can get stunned when you are standing behind minions because jhin W goes through them

all ADC now is Twitch, Vayne, Cait, and Jhin anyone else and you are pretty much putting yourself at a disadvantage unless its a counterpick

His W doesn't stun, it roots, a major difference, also you need to be hit by someone for him to root you.

BlakiepugDec 22, 20162 votes

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His W doesn't stun, it roots, a major difference, also you need to be hit by someone for him to root you.

But Jhin's root doesn't work exactly like a root. Unlike Morgana and Lux's snare, if you get hit by Jhin's W you can't use shielding abilities like Nautilus's W.

Smitty ManjensenDec 22, 20162 votes

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But Jhin's root doesn't work exactly like a root. Unlike Morgana and Lux's snare, if you get hit by Jhin's W you can't use shielding abilities like Nautilus's W.

If that is true, then that's a bug.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 21, 20164 votes

being a top 4 adc for a year where he is never wrong to pick in any team comp, something needs to change with him that is wrong,

This is completely fine.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 21, 20161 votes

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being a top 4 adc for a year where he is never wrong to pick in any team comp, something needs to change with him that is wrong, cait (who i main) has the same problem but she hasn't been in the meta as long as a top pick

my biggest problem is you can get stunned when you are standing behind minions because jhin W goes through them

all ADC now is Twitch, Vayne, Cait, and Jhin anyone else and you are pretty much putting yourself at a disadvantage unless its a counterpick

Lucian Kalista Caitlyn Were meta since release. Jhin was good for about 4 months. At least pretend you know what you're talking about.

BlakiepugDec 21, 20162 votes

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Were meta since release. Jhin was good for about 4 months. At least pretend you know what you're talking about.

Wtf are you talking about? Kalista hasn't been viable for almost a full year. Meanwhile if you check champion.gg, Jhin has legit been rated their overall #1 adc since March.

SpârkyDec 22, 20162 votes

But he is the overall #1 but do you see people playing him over twitch or cait? if they could everyone would pick those two over him and hell even vayne does well into him so because he's played a lot doesnt mean that he is op it just means people enjoy playing him and he is not absolutely garbage.

BlakiepugDec 22, 20162 votes

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But he is the overall #1 but do you see people playing him over twitch or cait? if they could everyone would pick those two over him and hell even vayne does well into him so because he's played a lot doesnt mean that he is op it just means people enjoy playing him and he is not absolutely garbage.

I actually have Jhin in like 90% of my games. I kid you not when I say that ever since I went on break last Wednesday, the only adc's I have faced are Jhin and Vayne and one Sivir, one Twitch. There is definitely a reason Jhin is picked as often as he is but I don't think people can keep accrediting to his character. His kit has more tools in it than Azir did at the beginning of this last year. Bonus mobility after crits, a guaranteed crit, extremely long range snare (which btw acts like a stun not a snare for some reason, Nautilus can't use his W shield in Jhin's root but he can in both Morgana's and Lux's), his ult which does crazy damage and slows, and then even some more cc in the form of his traps. Oh yeah, and the bouncing grenade. Personally I think something to go. He was the only one of the three dominant summer adc's to have escaped with the most minimal of nerfs. Sivir got hit pretty hard and Ashe did as well, for 3-4 patches in a row. There is a reason he is ranked #1 still. A good choice might be to remove the bonus crit move speed which allows him to outrun a large chunk of the champion pool quite easily. For someone who has as much range as Jhin, he is too forgiving for being out of position being able to outrun those who jump on him during ult or 100-0 them.

legionnaire99Dec 21, 20165 votes

I had to downvote to 4

warpenguin555Dec 21, 20165 votes

^ Everything just ties in so well with Jhin. As a Sniper character, he is weak to people getting on top of him and the attack speed from items gives him bonus damage instead. Everything his kit has fits in some way.

ModKnightsKemplarDec 21, 20165 votes

He's well designed, but that isn't the same thing as balanced.

I'm not willing to take a stand on whether or not he's a little too strong, currently, but it's certainly possible to have a great design and still be a little too strong because #numbers.

Covert Ops GnarDec 21, 20162 votes

Just ultimate's slow could be nerfed. After hitting the first shot, it's easy as fuck to hit the rest unless a teammate is willing to step in. I've been 100-0 by a Jhin ult from full HP. I definitely got 'outplayed'.

MissingKayoDec 21, 20164 votes

Yes, you did get outplayed. If you're a carry (aka, squishy) and by yourself, and don't know how to dodge an extremely thin skillshot, then you deserve to die. Stick with your team or learn to sidestep better.

Covert Ops GnarDec 21, 20162 votes

The R hitbox is big as fuck. I'm vs'ing Diamonds, they know how to hover their mouse over somebody and press R on them while they are 90% slowed. It's not hard at all. It takes 2 seconds for Jhin to fire all 4 shots, unless I have a teammate succing my coc and are willing to body block then I'm dead. You can't sidestep when you're 90% slowed.

MissingKayoDec 21, 20165 votes

Then stick with your team and quit complaining.

Covert Ops GnarDec 21, 20162 votes

I was with my team, they wouldn't body block and I can't run to them because I'm practically rooted.

MissingKayoDec 21, 20164 votes

Then stand behind the team yourself and don't move in front of them.

Covert Ops GnarDec 21, 20161 votes

I'm a higher rank so your opinion doesn't matter. Case closed.