I don't care, it has to be said

Jbels·Jul 31, 2015·46 votes·3,445 views

Sated devourer has made this game BORING. There has not been a single damn game I go into where a Devourer champ wasn't picked. One of three things happens pretty much every game. One of our team autolocks Yi and goes the Devourer route, but gets destroyed early and has absolutely no impact on the game, because either they had a better champion for Devourer (Shyvana, Kayle), or just didn't grasp how to use Devourer properly. They get a good lead early and carry the game (Which is fine every now and then) or our team doesn't take a Devourer Champion at all, gets outscaled by AFK farming, and we lose. Please, please, PLEASE look at this item. I don't want to quit playing this game but the current playstyle it promotes may just drive me to do it...

tl;dr Sated devourer is causing the game to spoil with how binary it's caused the game to become

55 Comments

NemeBroJul 31, 201520 votes

Any jungler that is AFK farming with the new devourer doesn't know how to use the item. It'll take forever to get Sated by just farming your jungler, you need to help your lanes by taking scuttlers, and you need to gank so you can secure dragons and get more stacks. This is far healthier than other incarnations of this item.

Early game ganking and invading badasses can take advantage of most devourer junglers when they are weak (Shyvana has no weak point, which is part of why she might be broken with it). Cinderhulk-using team fight badasses with a lot of CC can lock a punk bitch ass Master Yi down while the carries kill them or their own carries.

JbelsJul 31, 20156 votes

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Early game ganking and invading badasses can take advantage of most devourer junglers when they are weak (Shyvana has no weak point, which is part of why she might be broken with it). Cinderhulk-using team fight badasses with a lot of CC can lock a punk bitch ass Master Yi down while the carries kill them or their own carries.

The main issue isn't that the item is overpowered, it's the fact that in ranked and normals, alot of people think it can turn the turds that Yi and Warwick are into gold, and they lose their teams games because of that mentality

NemeBroJul 31, 20155 votes

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The main issue isn't that the item is overpowered, it's the fact that in ranked and normals, alot of people think it can turn the turds that Yi and Warwick are into gold, and they lose their teams games because of that mentality

http://champion.gg/champion/Warwick/Jungle

A real turd, that Warwick.

JbelsJul 31, 20151 votes

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http://champion.gg/champion/Warwick/Jungle

A real turd, that Warwick.

We're talking about people who don't main warwick that think it'll turn their shitty warwick from a turd into gold

NemeBroAug 1, 20152 votes

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We're talking about people who don't main warwick that think it'll turn their shitty warwick from a turd into gold

People just starting out with Warwick have a better win rate with him than the average jungle champion.

I mean sure, he has virtually zero early game presence, but his ganks with his ult are arguably the best in the game, and his mid to late game is absolutely monstrous.

JbelsAug 1, 20151 votes

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People just starting out with Warwick have a better win rate with him than the average jungle champion.

I mean sure, he has virtually zero early game presence, but his ganks with his ult are arguably the best in the game, and his mid to late game is absolutely monstrous.

Warwick had a rework coming to him that I think would have made him really interesting. Too bad it was shelved

PhaetoxJul 31, 20155 votes

But Warwick has always had obnoxious win rates in high elo. (Remember champion.gg only calculates plat+ games). Sated Devourer doesn't make him any more annoying than Feral Flare or the old Devourer did. His win rate only went up by like 2% since Sated came out it's just his play rate that has gone up because people got reminded of how toxic he is.

NemeBroAug 1, 20155 votes

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But Warwick has always had obnoxious win rates in high elo. (Remember champion.gg only calculates plat+ games). Sated Devourer doesn't make him any more annoying than Feral Flare or the old Devourer did. His win rate only went up by like 2% since Sated came out it's just his play rate that has gone up because people got reminded of how toxic he is.

Then we basically agree.

Warwick being bad in solo Q is a meme, and was a meme since before sated came out.

Yxgl222HaXAug 1, 20151 votes

Love warwic in silver. Everyone thinks its a scrub pick till you have a devourer bork and wits end. Then you throw in a spirit vissage or a sunfire for good measure. Goodbye mids/adcs/assasians.

KaeblenJul 31, 20153 votes

player stupidity is hard to cure.

if you can come up with something, I'm sure we'd all be glad to hear.

ChessburgerAug 1, 20151 votes

If I understand correctly the problem is that people pick these champs and have no idea how to either jungle effectively or play the champs effectively.

Oh well, devourer junglers only get scary if his lanes are winning by themselves which means they'd win with whoever in the jungle, or if you get a few early kills.

It's always fun times if I get 2 kills and buy full devourer on the first back on Xin :D But then again it was like that before sated devourer as well. The only cool thing about sated (compared to the previous incarnation of the item) is that I proc Q and W in 2 AAs instead of 3.

AgidyneJul 31, 20157 votes

Devourer isn't even half as good as people believe it to be.

Why do you think LCSPros420 never ever build Devourer?

Because not makes those exact champions extremely weak in the early game (which leaves them prone to getting invaded) but also is only abused by champions who eat a stun and die like Master Yi.

Even Shyvanas who build Devourer will most likely get nothing but on-hit items which ends up making them suffer from the Yi syndrome of eating stun and dying.

JbelsJul 31, 20152 votes

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Devourer isn't even half as good as people believe it to be.

Why do you think LCSPros420 never ever build Devourer?

Because not makes those exact champions extremely weak in the early game (which leaves them prone to getting invaded) but also is only abused by champions who eat a stun and die like Master Yi.

Even Shyvanas who build Devourer will most likely get nothing but on-hit items which ends up making them suffer from the Yi syndrome of eating stun and dying.

Hai won two Shyvana Devourer games in a row from C9. Also Yi is forced to build all damage to do anything in Teamfights. Shyvana can build tank after Devourer and Bork and still wreck teamfights

JbelsJul 31, 20152 votes

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Hai won two Shyvana Devourer games in a row from C9. Also Yi is forced to build all damage to do anything in Teamfights. Shyvana can build tank after Devourer and Bork and still wreck teamfights

Agreed. The way I feel about characters who are written into walls, plot-wise, by writers, I feel there are champions like Kayle and Kassadin who are destined to hit a wall and stop. Remember how amazing Sion was when he came out? But he was TOO amazing, so they nerfed him, and now he barely sees play anymore. If there's one thing I loathe, it's champions that are made unviable for the sake of the game being healthier (Looking at you, Kha'zix)

PhaetoxJul 31, 20152 votes

Actually that Yi statement is a misconception. I have plenty of friends who spam Yi in diamond+ solo queue who only build sated + BotRK offensively and then build defensive items after that. He doesn't really need any other damage items to succeed.

Other examples:

Save goes for Spirit Visage + Randuin's.

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/KR/1976850878/2580719

Froggen get's a Black Cleaver and Randuin's. Though TBC may also be offensive it does have 400 health on it so it is a mixed offensive / defensive item.

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/EUW/2183462159/19531813

Even the build with the highest win % (a mix of what is most popular and what is most efficient) includes a Randuin's.

http://champion.gg/champion/MasterYi

Plenty of people build Banshee's, Frozen Mallet, etc. on him.

PhaetoxJul 31, 20151 votes

Another example: Crumbz building Black Cleaver and Frozen Mallet. While these items do grant AD they are certainly not full offensive builds as they grant a ton of health.

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1828326114/20239565

magic poleAug 1, 20152 votes

did you just agree to your own post..? well, duhh

PotatoOfPOWERAug 1, 20152 votes

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Devourer isn't even half as good as people believe it to be.

Why do you think LCSPros420 never ever build Devourer?

Because not makes those exact champions extremely weak in the early game (which leaves them prone to getting invaded) but also is only abused by champions who eat a stun and die like Master Yi.

Even Shyvanas who build Devourer will most likely get nothing but on-hit items which ends up making them suffer from the Yi syndrome of eating stun and dying.

LCS ≠ Solo Queue

Not that I think the item is good/bad, I'm just sayin'

ModAttysu The PoroJul 31, 20156 votes

... I still use Stalker's Blade - Warrior on Eve...

And play her assassin...

Pls don't kill me.

JbelsJul 31, 20154 votes

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... I still use Stalker's Blade - Warrior on Eve...

And play her assassin...

Pls don't kill me.

Power to you, bud. Break that meta

ModAttysu The PoroJul 31, 20151 votes

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Power to you, bud. Break that meta

Thank you, lol. I see people going Bruiser and not making much of it, but I go Hextech BORK Iceborn Mobi Boots Stalker's Blade - Warrior and GA while early snowballing and I got a pentakill twice; in two different Normal games, as Assassin Eve.

Kuroi86Aug 1, 20151 votes

To which I say, how can't you play Eve.

AD AP On hit Tank They all function. o.0 (Not saying they are all good, just... they all work...)

ModAttysu The PoroAug 1, 20151 votes

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To which I say, how can't you play Eve.

AD AP On hit Tank They all function. o.0 (Not saying they are all good, just... they all work...)

Yeah, that's my point. Hybrid is really underrated but works if you can farm and gank successfully enough.

CasterGilgameshAug 1, 20151 votes

i prefer ap burst mage ev with item 3708 item 3285 item 3116 and item 3089

ModAttysu The PoroAug 1, 20151 votes

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i prefer ap burst mage ev with and

Hm I might try that! :D

Kuroi86Aug 1, 20152 votes

I tested a build like this in a bot game, haven't had a chance to use it in pvp yet. I got like 3 pentas o.0 Either the bots got dumber or the damage on this build is stupid...

Colgate GatorJul 31, 20156 votes

I don't believe Devourer is genuinely broken on anyone but Kayle, but that's Kayle's theme, she becomes OP with an external change, get's gutted, goes back down the hole, a new change appears, she resurfaces.

GodarenJul 31, 20153 votes

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I don't believe Devourer is genuinely broken on anyone but Kayle, but that's Kayle's theme, she becomes OP with an external change, get's gutted, goes back down the hole, a new change appears, she resurfaces.

I kind of hate champs like kayle or kassadin either they are pick or ban or they are the worst champ in the game

CasterGilgameshAug 1, 20151 votes

they are pick or ban because noobs follow the LCS and think anything they pick is good kayle i admit was strong but nothing an assassin like Talon couldnt fight kass was not as overpowered as people say after he got reworked but then riot nerfed him just to be sure which was a very bad idea now kass is even worse then MissFortune hec Kassadin is the of the assassins lol

AbyssphereAug 1, 20151 votes

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they are pick or ban because noobs follow the LCS and think anything they pick is good kayle i admit was strong but nothing an assassin like couldnt fight kass was not as overpowered as people say after he got reworked but then riot nerfed him just to be sure which was a very bad idea now kass is even worse then hec is the of the assassins lol

Assassins are good against Kayle? The champ who can make herself immune to damage for 3 seconds?

CasterGilgameshAug 1, 20151 votes

you kill her before she can react talon use to silence her and kill her while she was silenced

MatezoideJul 31, 20154 votes

Devourer is cancer.

Morgy MorgyJul 31, 20153 votes

we were losing one game super hard i was kog'maw and we had a zed and some other late game monsters i said we shouldnt give up early our kayle then becomes sated and instantly wins us the game that is one of the very few normal games where I have won the game with a negative KDA

it's fucking disgusting. it's basically two items.

JbelsJul 31, 20151 votes

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we were losing one game super hard i was kog'maw and we had a zed and some other late game monsters i said we shouldnt give up early our kayle then becomes sated and instantly wins us the game that is one of the very few normal games where I have won the game with a negative KDA

it's fucking disgusting. it's basically two items.

I believe in comebacks through good map vision, objective control and safe play, but to be losing and only to win because "Kayle got to sated" is pretty stupid

YCitizenSnipsYJul 31, 20152 votes

They tried this before with Feral Flame and it failed and the item had to be removed, idk why they would try to reinvent the item but i agree afk farmers in the jungle is always boring to play with, even if they do sometimes make it to that end game power spike end up carrying its still a painful process.

magic poleAug 1, 20151 votes

it isn't even end/late game. It's a massive power spike that shyv and kayle can hit while also only having built 1-2 other items. it's more like early mid-game.

Unward49Aug 1, 20152 votes

Logged in just to upvote this.

#Fucksated.

Blkninjar87Aug 1, 20151 votes

Enemy team were 4 adc and got carried by a Warwick alone...... I hate devouerer and I hate what it did to top lane shyvana

magic poleAug 1, 20151 votes

seems like if they have a devourer, it's shyvana or kayle. and by 25 minutes she is level 16 or 17 with more farm than our solo laners. She'll also have 4-5 levels on our entire team. She ganks moderately - consistently. once she gets sated, proceeds to 3 shot anyone who isn't building full tank.

then we get stuck with some Yi who has 6 stacks at 20 minutes. doesnt show up to a lane once.

fucken sated man. well i, for one, am not satisfied

Calibretto9Aug 1, 20151 votes

I hate Sated. Hate it. But, I disagree with a lot of what you said OP.

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Sated devourer has made this game BORING. There has not been a single damn game I go into where a Devourer champ wasn't picked. One of three things happens pretty much every game. One of our team autolocks Yi and goes the Devourer route, but gets destroyed early and has absolutely no impact on the game, because either they had a better champion for Devourer (Shyvana, Kayle), or just didn't grasp how to use Devourer properly. They get a good lead early and carry the game (Which is fine every now and then) or our team doesn't take a Devourer Champion at all, gets outscaled by AFK farming, and we lose. Please, please, PLEASE look at this item. I don't want to quit playing this game but the current playstyle it promotes may just drive me to do it...

tl;dr Sated devourer is causing the game to spoil with how binary it's caused the game to become

I hate Sated. Hate it. But, I disagree with a lot of what you said OP. First, Sated isn't always a guaranteed lock because I'm still seeing plenty of Runeglaive (Elise, Diana). So, it's either Sated or Runeglaive, with an occasional Gragas+Cinderhulk sneaking in. Secondly, I haven't myself nor have I seen much afk farming. Most people realize that Devourer is still really strong alone and that getting a kill opens up the pressure you need to start raiding enemy jungle. I will say it's made it kind of interesting because you'r either forced to counter jungle/gank enemy Devourer jungler, take a Runeglaive or Devourer jungler yourself, or end game so quickly Devourer never matters.

Kuroi86Aug 1, 20151 votes

People are still hanging onto a melee carry meta that is going to quickly slip away when people start realizing how easy it is to invade and invalidate them.

The bruiser jungle meta is coming, it's return is inevitable, resistance is futile. Elise Evelynn JarvanIV Jax LeeSin Nocturne Pantheon Rengar Shaco Skarner MonkeyKing XinZhao

CasterGilgameshAug 1, 20151 votes

the funny thing is Evelynn will never be viable since riot won't let her and she was never meant to be a bruiser she was meant to be an assassin but riot goes in and over loaded her kit also i wouldn't call Shaco a bruiser since he is a mele stealth assassin also isn't Skarner a tank? same with JarvanIV

JbelsAug 1, 20151 votes

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the funny thing is will never be viable since riot won't let her and she was never meant to be a bruiser she was meant to be an assassin but riot goes in and over loaded her kit also i wouldn't call a bruiser since he is a mele stealth assassin also isn't a tank? same with

Evelynn has actually seen some competitive play this season. Shaco is indeed not a bruiser, but a very weird champion he will always be until his eventual gameplay update

Kuroi86Aug 1, 20151 votes

Evelynn and Shaco are a lot like Khazix While they may never be super popular, their kits are just that you can build them as a damage oriented bruisers (three damage items, two defensive items, as opposed to the one or two damage and three to four defensive for a defensive oriented bruiser). Also, while not the most popular, they have a way of sticking around in almost all metas.

And yes, Skarner and JarvanIV are primary tanks, though I've seen enough bruiser builds for them that I felt they were worth placing on the list.

Yxgl222HaXAug 1, 20151 votes

Meh im okay with it for now. Sure its strong on many champs like shyv but in ranked or draft you can just ban those picks. Im just glad to finally get to where there is not 3 tanks a mid and an adc in every single game. The tank meta took wayyyyyy to long to start to thin out. So for now im okay with devourer, ban shyv and yi and pick kayle or ww and youre fine. Or just play something else entirely like a runeglaive nidalee and pressure all the lanes early while the enemy is trying to farm. If all of your lanes get ahead while they farm devourer or not you should win teamfights.

SilverthaneAug 1, 20151 votes

i actually have seen a bit less devourers lately because the junglers that dont build it and focus more on ganking often time snowball other lanes harder. and yeah most people just afk farm and dont gank or take dragon. there is no in between for devourers as you said.

teedddyyAug 1, 20151 votes

It doesn't make the game boring because it gives you more of the reason to play the game it get it maxed.

JbelsAug 1, 20151 votes

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It doesn't make the game boring because it gives you more of the reason to play the game it get it maxed.

You're mistaking the item being boring for the item making the game boring

RandomoniumAug 1, 20151 votes

I think devourer poses some very interesting trade offs. If both junglers go devourer it becomes a battle of who can control the river and impact lanes more without giving up too much farm. If only one jungler goes devourer it becomes a question of how much the non-devourer jungler can punish the devourer jungler before he gets sated and how much the non-devourer jungle can snowball the other lanes.

Devourer is hands down the best jungle item late game but you give up a lot of pressure in the early and mid game to get it. Good teams/junglers will pray on that and snowball the early game.