He carried me out of gold. He was fun, unexpected, and made champ select difficult for the enemy team to nail down. I can still do it on my lower accounts, but if I do it in plat or even high gold I just get dove constantly because I have no wave clear.
It's not even that I dislike the rework, it just...
hurts.
[cass-cry]
Violet Fields13 votes"Our goal is to make certain champions be viable in other rolls"
To me, this statement by riot themselves is full of horse crap.
We used to have Ekko Jungle AND Ekko Mid: Gone We used to have Kennen Top, Mid, and ADC: Gone We used to have AP Kog'maw Mid: Gone We used to have Ryze Top: Gone We used to have Zyra Mid: Gone We used to have Morgana Top: Gone We used to have Mages in the top lane: Gone We used to have ADCs in the mid lane: Gone We used to have Bruisers exclusively in the bot lane: Gone
The list just goes on. Why would they get rid of all this and try bringing it back, to me this makes no sense whatsoever.
Tails90161 votesWe used to have AP Kog'maw Mid: Gone We used to have Ryze Top: Gone
Are you sure about that
THE RlVER KlNG2 votesekko jungle and ekko mid still exist kennen top and mid exist. kennen adc, not really. ap kog mid does not exist. ryze top exists. zyra mid exists. morg top? that was back when you could play any champ top lol. mages in the top lane? you mean swain, kennen, teemo, mordekaiser, vladimir, heimerdinger, karthus, rumble, lissandra, ryze? adcs in the mid lane? you mean lucian and corki and varus? bruisers exclusive in the bot lane? you mean back in like season 1?
Infernal Ironic1 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJXlimrE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-01-29T02:44:03.772+0000)
ekko jungle and ekko mid still exist kenneon top and mid exist. kennen adc, not really. ap kog mid does not exist. ryze top exists. zyra mid exists. morg top? that was back when you could play any champ top lol. mages in the top lane? you mean swain, kennen, teemo, mordekaiser, vladimir, heimerdinger, karthus, rumble, lissandra, ryze? adcs in the mid lane? you mean lucian and corki and varus? bruisers exclusive in the bot lane? you mean back in like season 1?
Back in alpha not even season 1 Zyra mid also doesnt exist
And ekko is dogshit anywhere and doesnt exist in any good player pool YES THAT champaPAPAYA WHATEVER guy is also dogshit
Durzaka2 votesThe off lane roles that they have weeding out of the game were, for the most part, incredibly toxic and frustratingly broken.
Also, bruisers have been exclusively bot lane, EVER. Even in Season 1 it wasnt exclusively bruisers, and by season 2 we were fully in the adc/supp bot lane meta
Shit like AP Kogmaw or Mid/top Lulu were broken as fuck.
Sp33d Zer012 votesOk, I'll bite.
http://na.op.gg/champion/ekko/statistics/mid Ekko is played enough in 3 roles to be recognized. http://na.op.gg/champion/kennen/statistics/top While kennen is not played mid enough right now to be recognized as well as not being recognized as an adc this is much more likely because of how much players as individuals abused him top lane, his short range makes him an unreliable adc, and general meta changes are not in his favor. http://na.op.gg/champion/kogmaw/statistics/adc Kogmaw I will give you. They reworked him so he could not be played mid. http://na.op.gg/champion/ryze/statistics/mid Ryze is played enough in mid and top to be recognized. http://na.op.gg/champion/zyra/statistics/support got a small rework to make her more viable in both the jungle and mid lane. http://na.op.gg/champion/morgana/statistics/support as a top laner, morg was pretty toxic, however they have fixed her for mid lane. Mage tops: http://na.op.gg/champion/swain/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/kennen/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/vladimir/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/ekko/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/heimerdinger/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/karthus/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/rumble/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/lissandra/statistics/top http://na.op.gg/champion/ryze/statistics/top
ADC mids http://na.op.gg/champion/corki/statistics/mid http://na.op.gg/champion/lucian/statistics/mid
And we had mordekaiser exclusively in the bot lane. Everything else has been this way since damn near season 2
Votable Jester1 votesThe Zyra rework did not make her more viable mid. The more she revolves around her plants (and they keep their garbage ap ratio compared to base damage), the better she'll be as a support compared to mid.
I also miss Kog'maw mid. He had such a unique playstyle.
I just want those two back and at least somewhat viable in mid lane.
Sp33d Zer01 votesI'm talking the mini rework they did with morgana
YumaS2Astral1 votes[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJXlimrE,comment-id=000100030000,timestamp=2018-01-29T06:18:28.916+0000)
The Zyra rework did not make her more viable mid. The more she revolves around her plants (and they keep their garbage ap ratio compared to base damage), the better she'll be as a support compared to mid.
I also miss Kog'maw mid. He had such a unique playstyle.
I just want those two back and at least somewhat viable in mid lane.
I miss Kha'Zix mid and top. I do it very rarely now, and is mostly for fun. A good thing about when assassins are strong, is that I can play lane Kha'Zix and do well.
Nik Nikerson3 votesRiot didn't force Bruisers out of the bot lane, people realizing the optimal set up for a team did. In fact a few of the things you're talking about are more or less due to meta shifts, not Riot intentionally forcing a character out of a particular position.
Dedenne3 votesThey are trying to buff ekko jungle (ekko mid is fine). Zyra mid got buffed a few patches ago, ryze top was played in proscene last week. Adc is viable mid (its not the best but u can easily get to plat with stuff like trist mid)
PePsiLemoNN4 votesMost of those things still exist? And when things were played in other roles people were saying that ''hurr durr Lucian go back to bot even tho you have 45% winrate mid hurr durr''.
Don't get me started on fighter mains and Rzye/Morgana/Any mage top lol.
General Theritt6 votesAgreed. I used to play him top and If I got ahead, that Q. that glorious Q rofl-stomped players because when you maxed it, it would deal strong poke and be mildly threatening. His old ult was badass and honestly, his new ult sucks. I just say revert zac and give him the life he deserved. He was an interesting tank that had a great premise. While riot is at it, revert the lore. Old zac was a hero, something people aspired to be, a legend that others tell of a goo-man who does everything in his power to protect the children of zaun, monster or not, regardless of the cost to adult life. It made him give off that real superhero feel he always gave. Ever since his rework I barely play zac
give zacc bacc.
soopcan5 votesI WISH he would get reverted. Zac in no way needed a rework, because now he is just another low-damage CC bot that just gets outshone by other champions that do the same thing but more damage. I liked old Zac wayyyy more. A really fun build was to do Liandry's and thornmail toplane.
Harden Stepback3 votesrevert zac
RainbowIcee1 votesgive us back zephyr!
Bouncemaster Zac3 votesI still despise the rework. It was completely unnecessary. He's just not fun (or good) now.
CleverCactus2 votesI used to love Zac top! Zac had one of the best interactive tank kits, I have no idea why he was on the rework list.
MrB00mbastick1 votes25% of the bounces = 25% of the fun : (
Horse Grenades1 votes25% of the bounces = 25% of the fun : (
NOW With 75% LESS BOUNCES!
Ask your ELO Doctor if Zac Top is right for you!
Rendrex1 votesHe used to be my bro when i had to pick first or i didn't know what to pick. Too bad he is part of the reworks that have to many unnecessary mechanics or things that got changed for the sake of change.
R.I.P Goo knight [zombie-nunu-tears]
Jew Stomper1 votesYeah, played him into plat. The only thing really stopping me is his q. The 8% cost on his main poke early that does less damage and worse waveclear than the old one is a pain. Maybe if a little damage was moved from E to Q, and lowering the 8% cost to 6%, I'd be a little better.