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Why low elo players get annoyed with playing in low elo

Dukues··35 votes·6,432 views

There are lots of variables so I am not even going to get into that. Obviously since there are so many players in low elo there are skill variances that can be annoying or at least knowledge levels change. But I think the two main things that make people in low elo frustrated is how low elo is perceived and treated by high elo players and just the limited experience you can gain by playing in low elo.

  1. There are lots of streamers and or high elo players who talk on these board or reddit or wherever and how bad low elo players. Now on one hand their not wrong. Compared to challenger/master players most people who play this game know less and are worse than them. But what we all need to realize is there are two sides to every story. Just because most of us are not challenger/master or diamond doesn't mean we are less human. A lot of us just don't care to try and learn the game that in depth or have the time. At the same time, most of us need to realize a lot of the stuff we complain about is because we lack so much knowledge about the game and it obviously gets frustrating for high elo players hearing us cry about how OP a champion is when we just don't know how to build and play against it. So I think as a community we all just need to chill out and start supporting each other more. HIgh elo players need to stop shitting on low elo players for knowing less about the game and encouraging them to try and learn more. Low elo players need to stop judging streamers and calling them bad when they make a mistake when they are many more times better than us. Sadly it won't happen, but if we all could just chill out and show some love it would really make games go smoother and we would all benefit.

  2. Kind of backing off point 1. Since the high elo community makes fun of say "silver" so much its hard when your in silver to take games seriously. So when you lose its hard to recognize when you get out played or when the enemy does something good because its in everyone's brain "silver is shit everyone sucks". Same can be said about all elos though I suppose depending on the player. This is where self reflection really becomes important and is what separates those players who can climb the ladder from those who get stuck. But the other part people need to realize and is my point #2 that when you constantly play XXX level of player then its hard to learn or see what else you need to learn.

Example: I started maining jungle last season because I knew it was a really important role and that if I could succeed in it I would have a better chance to consistently win games. Well I learned more about jungling and started gaining confidence. I knew there was tons didn't know but... being in silver and up to mid gold it didn't matter because the enemy jungle knew as much or less than me. So I would say until around gold 3 I would out perform enemy jungler more than they would me which allowed me to rank up to that rank. Now... did I know everything about jungling? O fuck no. But did I get punished for not knowing? Nope. And that's where playing higher level players really can be beneficial. It wasn't until I started playing plat junglers that I started to lose my confidence and started to get punished for knowing less than them. This whole idea of knowing where enemy jungler is, or changing up jungle routes was new to me. I just ignored it because everyone was so damn predictable in my previous games that I didn't need to adjust or account as much for these things. But once I started facing this knew knowledge and consistently being punished for not knowing it as well I started losing more games and was unable to rank up. Now I had two options. Increase my jungle knowledge in hopes of getting good enough to climb the ladder higher. 2. Run and hide like a little bitch. Well... I totally chose option 2 hahaha and switched to playing adc.

Example #2. So when I switched to adc I was doing ok... definitely wasn't the best but I found some footing playing MissFortune adc (as any great adc player would hehe). Although I had terrible mechanics and lacked a lot of essential adc knowledge I was able to hold my own in mid gold mainly because MF ult amazing and I wasn't being punished by the enemy for my lack of knowledge. Then came the Lucian who opened my eyes to power spikes and match ups. The game started as normal a little trading by supports and adcs in bot lane. Think each of us got some kills. But then this player got like 1-2 items and I went bot to clear the wave. I wasn't worried because it was just me and them and figured "meh we just both going to cs nothing to worry about". Apparently that's how my low elo brain thinks along with the many other players I have played with or against over the years. Well Lucian had something different in mind. He all inned me and boy did I get wrecked. I just sat there looking at my screen speechless. I just felt so dumb not realizing it was going to happen and also so confused why people didn't do that more often. And that's where I learned I don't know shit about match ups or power spikes or really anything about adc lol.

So to summarize. I think the fact that a lot of us perceive low elo as "not good" really put ourselves up for failure because we don't try to recognize our mistakes just our teammates and then enemies. Which it's good to recognize the enemy mistakes to take advantage of them but this leads more into the lack of knowledge overall. Knowledge is power in this game. Yes... great mechanics help but honestly many a high elo player have said you can reach diamond with having shit mechanics. You just need the game knowledge. The lacking of knowledge in low elo makes it difficult to realize how many mistakes we actually make and makes it a slower process to get better since the level of competition is lower. Which is why you need to do your own research, watch high elo replays, read guides, get coaching help, get advice from a high elo player or friend. If you really care about ranking up anything you can do to increase your game knowledge will help you achieve the rank you want and make the climb easier. But it definitely can get annoying when you are always playing people the same level as you not realizing how many mistake they make you can take advantage of because you are not being punished for making those same mistakes.

63 Comments

Verxint26 votes

As someone who has tried to help numerous low ELO players (I won't claim to be amazing, I peaked at low Plat), by far the most common problem is the unwillingness to actually listen and accept the advice. 9 out of 10 times any advice I gave was met with a sea of excuses or denial. I think a lot of this is because not only do low ELO players not realize all the mistakes themselves and the enemies are making, but they also think that there's a simple answer to why they can't climb, when the reality is climbing and improving is difficult no matter what rank you are.

Going back to rejecting advice, I think they do this because they expect the advice to magically fix everything, and when it doesn't work the first time they give up and go back to what they're comfortable doing.

Dukues2 votes

Yea well said. For me it was a long journey of failure (or more just being stuck in silver) before I finally had the very obvious moment that my play and lack of knowledge was the problem not those around me. I think just realizing that and then shortly seeing some gains just by being more aware really helped me. Obviously I have never really pushed very high on the ladder so I still lack a lot of knowledge but just knowing if I focus on myself one day I may get a higher rank really helped me.

Sadly I tossed that knowledge out the window in season 7. I been raging so much more or less because I felt like I "deserved" higher than my current rank.But reality is you drop ranks at the start of the season and you have a long time to regain prior rank plus improve. But I more or less just stayed salty and refused to learn more about new jungle. Finally this week I decided I am done being a cry baby and just focusing on myself. I know I won't be back in gold tomorrow but hoping in the next couple weeks I really see some lp gains and can really get back to being a confident jungler at least in my current elo. I do really want to focus on learning more about jungle though so going to actually have to put in the time to practice and learn.

Verxint4 votes

Nobody likes to admit it but if you're losing more than you win, it's your fault. I havent made it back to plat this season which means I'm not playing at a plat level. That simple.

Phelas2 votes

Man, i feel you, same. Even tho, the last few days I got a grasp of the meta, and i feel you and I, we both can get back to where we once have been!

Vallalan4 votes

as a plat 2 player last season i gotta add to this a bit. it is very obvious if a low elo player will cimb eventually or be hard stuck silver forever.

and it has nothing to do with natural skill or mechanics or knowledge.

its mentality.

you either have the right one or dont. if you are rejecting higher ups advice and saying "oh but my teammates this my teammates that" or "but this works for me" then simply admit you are arrogant and will never climb.

VeniVidiVictory1 votes

The moment I sat down and said to myself "I'm fucking garbage at this game. And that's okay." Is when I started to climb the ladder. I'm still a silver shitlord, but that one mind change alone is what I credit to climbing out of bronze.

DevaStorm1 votes

I just dont think that to be true, why would any low Elo player actively reject advice from someone better then them even if it doesnt work the first time, give me an actually example of that happening.

Melledoneus2 votes

I am myself a low elo player, but I am open to advice.

When that advice, however, is along the lines of "git gud" and "play carries," I can't take most of that seriously in Silver. I am forced to play tanks because almost nobody in low elo knows enough to play tanks, and telling me to play better is the most half-assed advice you can give me.

I myself have learned the in-and-outs of playing, what kind of team comps work against what, what champions to play when, etc. But Silver is where the egotistical trash of ranked solo queue gathers. Like the Janna who flamed our entire team, even when I went back to save our base from minions instead of god knows what in mid lane. Or that dude who locked Lee Sin mid in an all-AD comp against a Zed.

I understand I'm not the best player in practice, but some of these people are really freaking stupid and think they know everything, so they refuse to listen.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Team comp don't matter at low elo... play what's u enjoy the most.

I am forced to play tanks because

No, u'r not.

I understand I'm not the best player in practice, but some of these people are really freaking stupid and think they know everything, so they refuse to listen.

They feel same about u. Mute them.

salty testi2 votes

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Melledoneus1 votes

First, I'm flattered you thought I was even close to Diamond. My knowledge of the game is higher than my elo, I suppose, if I gave off that impression.

I will consider switching to more leading roles in top and jungle, since you made a very good point about tanks being supportive if anything. I always wanted to bust out good old Vi in ranked...

Dukues1 votes

Thanks for commenting it is good advice.

Troll for Trump1 votes

In any elo, all that matters is what team you get.

Your team will cause you to lose or win.

The enemy team will cause you to lose or win.

Roll the die, see what you get, and grind through the bad rolls. That's all you can do, really.

Gorantharon1 votes

{quoted}

Going back to rejecting advice, I think they do this because they expect the advice to magically fix everything, and when it doesn't work the first time they give up and go back to what they're comfortable doing.

People expect to learn a trick, something like a combo move or so, when you give advice.

Understanding that most the advice will consist of "don't invade without wards", "farm better", "trade less", "don't wait in base", "pay attention to the minions", "WARD" and that that's actually the thing that will take you out of the lowest league is hard.

It's the small things that don't seem to matter that much. An Insec Lee play looks great, but manipulating a wave correctly might do more.

If we Bronzies would be able to understand this, we'd not be Bronzies though.

xX Gatekeeper Xx1 votes

Low plat has the same skill at a silver player just has more time to play and a little luck with teamamtes. When silver skilled players try to coach another silver player it creates nothing good.

Verxint1 votes

There are silvers with over 1k games played and low plats with less than 200 games played, so it's not time.

Luck has nothing to do with climbing in the long run.

xX Gatekeeper Xx1 votes

But there are also silvers who are now plat with 1k games played. Your argument is invalid in this stat game you just threw at me. There are also silvers with 200 games played. Luck is everything in this RNG game. True talent starts at D2+.

KakitaMike11 votes

From the few streamers I watch, low elo is anything below diamond 1

Who is Taliyah7 votes

**K**ick those low elo asses. I fucking hate idiotic bronze players. They never know what to do **A**nd if this wasn't enough they flame like a dying pig trying to safe them by trying to upset you **P**ersonally I hate every low elo in this game. Especially when they play it for 3+ years. I mean **P**ersonally? How can people be this stupid to end up in bronze or something similiar HA HA H A HA really? They play worse than a 14 months old baby trying to say their first words.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

I kinda want you in my game now

Oelyk5 votes

When you hold your pride before a guy that neither of you will remember the next day, refusing to acknowledge anything they offer in advice, you are only hindering yourself from growing.

Seriously people, this culture of pride needs to just die and you need to accept that people will be better, they will know more, they will be more skilled, but so long as you only focus on making excuses, you will fail to understand how or why they won as they did.

SnakDatSmilesBak3 votes

You're right but you're wrong. You're using the word pride when you should be using the word ego.

Warhammer Titan4 votes

I just get annoyed when low elo players use their teamates as an exscuse

Dukues1 votes

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I just get annoyed when low elo players use their teamates as an exscuse

I am super guilty of this and I feel dumb even saying it. I think for me its out of frustration with myself but its like a defense mechanism. Although I will admit it does tilt me getting brand new players on my team. I am not mad at the player just league's ranked system. Personally think starting account mmr should be a little lower. Seems strange being silver 2 which is no where close to high elo but also is currently like top 40% of players and I still once in awhile get matched with brand new players either on my team or the enemy. And it generally just turns into a free win for the other team making the game a lot less competitive. Its not super often, but enough to mention it I guess.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

its an excuse again... when i started ranked i was already stronger than most of silvers (i mean i had no difficulty to go in gold for my first year).

AgeOfTheMage4 votes

I mean, i'm In my promos currently, I main support, and it's pretty hard to carry a feeding top and mid .-.

Dukues2 votes

Yea but honestly that evens out overtime. You just have to look each game independently because it gets too overwhelming otherwise.

I haven't played support in awhile but I know what really throws me off playing top or mid is when a support randomly ganks me in mid or top (top support ganks fucking intense man). So.... I am not saying its your fault your top or mid feeds. But I can't also say your playing support 100% legit and the only reason you don't win more games is because of two players on your team. And that's basically how you have to approach ranked. How can you make the biggest impact each game while simultaneously not screwing up badly costing your team the game.

Like the reason higher elo players don't provide sympathy for bronze (or really any elo) is because everyone who has climbed out of bronze has realized they basically need to carry to get out. And once they learn how to do that they generally recognize enough mistakes in bronze to hit silver. Then silver turns into a similar thing with a little better players. Then same with gold, and plat, etc. Your always going to have teammates who do poorly or who have bad games. But ranking up is making the best out of every game. Sometimes you just write bad games off. Other times your team stomps. Sometimes your team starts off getting stomped by then comes back as the enemy throws. Hell... that's how I get a lot of wins in low elo. So many games in gold, silver, bronze are thrown. That's why I generally never surrender unless it is really bad and there is an afk or super troll.

Just saying. I have ranked multiple multiple accounts out of bronze with ease and I am hard stuck silver 2 currently. I just accept everyone around me knows less and I just take advantage of the mistakes I see. I don't win every game as I am not that good. But I win enough to get out of bronze to at least mid silver fairly quickly.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

I would roam but i have to constantly prevent my adc from dying, not to mention braum isn't the greatest at roaming.

Myozthirirn1 votes

Dont play braum then.

AgeOfTheMage4 votes

"don't play insert champion isn't exactly the most helpful thing to say ._.

Myozthirirn1 votes

Why not? Choose one: ==> You want to roam -> You cant roam as Braum -> You cry ==> You want to roam -> You cant roam as Braum -> You dont roam but play Braum's intended role ==> You want to roam -> You cant roam as Braum -> Dont play Braum -> Play something that can roam -> You now can roam.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

the thing is though, I don't want to roam, I don't like to roam. ._.

Mhihnj1 votes

don't try roaming as braum. He is not much of a roaming support imo. Roaming supports usually got harder CC on demand like leona and thresh. As braum, just try to protect your adc as best as you can.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Not more than feeding bot. Just focus on ur gameplay and support best players in your team.

Theorchero4 votes

The problem with low elo is low elo players.

If you're low elo for an extended period of time it's because you're a stubborn person who refuses to learn. That simple. Getting out of bronze is as simple as going into practice games once a day before ranked and getting as many last hits as possible. Cs alone will get you out of bronze. Silver is just even basic mechanics and build knowledge. Super easy to learn but if you're a stubborn dick that prefers excuses of reason and progress you'll be stuck there forever.

SnakDatSmilesBak6 votes

It's not that simple, a player is multifaceted and can have many strengths or weaknesses. Generalizing all bronze players as players with low cs or generalizing all silver players as players with poor mechanics and builds is part of the problem op is talking about.

salty testi2 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak3 votes

I'm neither bronze nor silver.

My point is that players are individuals with unique strengths and weaknesses, which if you were ever bronze you would see for yourself. The inconsistencies from game to game in low elo prove this point.

First of all, half of his advice is useless for support mains like me. Second, here's an example: it's possible a player is bronze not because of his cs but for other reasons. In this case focusing on cs wouldn't help a bronze player.

He also says if you're stuck in low elo then you're a stubborn person who refuses to learn. There could be a plethora of other reasons a player is bronze or silver. Just because a player is bronze or silver doesn't make them a "stubborn person who refuses to learn."

Instead of blanket generalizations like "cs better in bronze," or "work on mechanics in silver," low elo players need to recognize weak points in their game and go from there. Telling people that "bronzies can't cs" won't help a bronze player with decent cs and poor decisions. Besides, cs and mechanics can and should always be improved on so telling people to improve these is a little redundant in my eyes. I hope you can see now that I did not prove his point and instead, soundly refuted it.

Chønklord3 votes

I tried to read your post but please man, do a few things for better readability:

  • Less "walls of text" and more paragraphs
  • Fix your grammar and sentence structures. It's jarring to read "their" when it's supposed to be "they're"
  • Put some headers on transitions. After breaking up your blocks into smaller paragraphs, put headers above them, like so:

Header 1 boring paragraph 1

boring paragraph 2

boring paragraph 3

######(Hey it's a transition from one thought/idea to the next!)

Header 2 boring paragraph 1

boring paragraph 2

boring paragraph 3

Myozthirirn3 votes

Op is low elo at posting.

Chønklord2 votes

I mean he tried his best; but he threw the game pretty hard there.

Dukues1 votes

Thanks for the feedback was very helpful.

Siegfriedx12 votes

Best topic ever +1

Hèntaî 2 votes

I like you.

Xanit1 votes

Wait... how on earth have you been in Gold when you didn't understand many basic concepts? I've been in Bronze since Season 1. I cannot win games on my own merit, no matter how much understanding I have of positioning and vision and jungle clears and playing defensively/from behind, no matter my knowledge of every champions' ranges hitboxes, no matter my experience with matchups and glitches and my rabid perusal of the patch notes.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I like the way you worded this comment, especially "rabid perusal."

cokapoo1 votes

PSA: For all players who are stuck in bronze, silver, gold, plat, low diamond... The first and most important thing to realize is you are not great at the game. No flame. You might be ok, you might be really flashy and micro intensive after mastering mechanics, but if you come to terms with the fact that you are not "great" you can always improve. Its not your teammates' fault, its not the "shitty meta", its not because you " don't try cause its just a game", its cause you're not great, and oftentimes, you just plain suck ass. Always look at what high elo players do and try to mimic them (moreso in macro decisions), understand the rationale behind their every decision. Don't look to copy that flashy Lee sin insec into three man knockup, look to copy decision making, adaptive jungle routes, etc.

Dukues1 votes

To be honest I think a lot of players realize they not great at the game but hell great can mean a lot of things. If you are diamond in my eyes you are great at the game. Your in 2% of the top of the player population. Are diamond players pro or semi pro level? No. But they are really damn good compared to the rest of the player population. Hell me being silver 2 currently and multiple times gold last season made me realize I am good at the game. Not great or pro, but good enough to consistently beat over 60-70% of the player population.

Not sure your rank and don't care. People who pretend the only people who are good at something are pros are dumb annoying idiots. I get if your saying you shouldn't have an ego if your not the best but fuck man.... in a game of millions of players being better than millions of players may not make you Faker level great...but it doesn't mean that player is close to bad at the game either. Sounds like you need to take a step back yourself and realize not everything is black & white and that is pays to use some common sense.

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