Perfect Timing (I2) Stopwatch transform time increased from 6 mins to 8 mins
Oh my god...why is Riot doing this when there are certain matchups that REQUIRE you to have a stopwatch to live when you and your enemy hit level 6? Are you guys actually just throwing darts labeled nerf or buff randomly at a chart or something?
NoPaxt9 votesYou didn't "NEED" it prior to the new rune system, so why do you "NEED" it now?
The answer is that you don't.
CEXY2 votesNeed and want are two very different things. I maybe new to this game, but this is just life. People don't know the difference between the two.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stark of Wrath,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-14T10:05:13.939+0000)
You didn't "NEED" it prior to the new rune system, so why do you "NEED" it now?
The answer is that you don't.
Given the burst meta now, yes actually you do.
Lauchmelder2 votesNo you don't. Midlane had a burst meta for ages (aka the one that managed to get level 6 first and abuse that powerspike for an easy kill) and they didn't need it.
You want it, but you don't need it.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-02-14T22:17:51.221+0000)
No you don't. Midlane had a burst meta for ages (aka the one that managed to get level 6 first and abuse that powerspike for an easy kill) and they didn't need it.
You want it, but you don't need it.
Wow I'm convinced. Jk
Lauchmelder2 votesI mean you convinced me that YOU need it.
I don't need it, but I also know how to play the game without an 'oops I fucked up'- button. That's probably the reason for that.
ZephyrDrake5 votesbecause the rune is literally giving you a free item that everyone is using... the rune is too strong and it's being nerfed accordingly... you can always actually buy the item you know
Anatera2 votesbecause the rune is literally giving you a free item that everyone is using... the rune is too strong and it's being nerfed accordingly... you can always actually buy the item you know
So I guess the people that need it at level 6 can just eat shit right?
ZephyrDrake4 votesSo I guess the people that need it at level 6 can just eat shit right?
spend the 600 gold for the item if you need it that badly
Anatera3 votesspend the 600 gold for the item if you need it that badly
Yeah, so they can also delay their build for a one use item that'll still take up a slot right?
ZephyrDrake3 votesYeah, so they can also delay their build for a one use item that'll still take up a slot right?
not my problem
Anatera3 votesnot my problem
Obviously not and yet you talk like someone who actually cares. Try not to waste people's time in the future like that again. It makes you come across as extremely arrogant.
ZephyrDrake4 votesObviously not and yet you talk like someone who actually cares. Try not to waste people's time in the future like that again. It makes you come across as extremely arrogant.
please learn to actually not rely on an item to survive before talking about others. Not my problem you cannot play safely for two extra minutes until you get your free stopwatch. Not my problem you do not want to buy the item that you so desperately need. Learn to adapt, you didn't need the item before to survive, you don't need it now, ward better play safer do not waste your flash on dumb moves.
Anatera2 votesplease learn to actually not rely on an item to survive before talking about others. Not my problem you cannot play safely for two extra minutes until you get your free stopwatch. Not my problem you do not want to buy the item that you so desperately need. Learn to adapt, you didn't need the item before to survive, you don't need it now, ward better play safer do not waste your flash on dumb moves.
Try not to pretend to be so ignorant. It makes you come across as rather desperate. Your sweeping generalizations make you seem like you know what you're talking about until you realize that there are different matchups that require different strategies and different builds. Pigeon holing players into "playing safely" is not a choice. It's bad game design.
ZephyrDrake4 votesTry not to pretend to be so ignorant. It makes you come across as rather desperate. Your sweeping generalizations make you seem like you know what you're talking about until you realize that there are different matchups that require different strategies and different builds. Pigeon holing players into "playing safely" is not a choice. It's bad game design.
you can say this all you want, but... learn to play safely. Learn to know when your power spikes are and when the enemy power spikes are. If the enemy beats you at lvl 6 then do not put yourself in a position where the enemy can take advantage of this. Now you can still complain all you want and die because you refused to do the most basic of things or adapt to the matchups
Anatera1 votesyou can say this all you want, but... learn to play safely. Learn to know when your power spikes are and when the enemy power spikes are. If the enemy beats you at lvl 6 then do not put yourself in a position where the enemy can take advantage of this. Now you can still complain all you want and die because you refused to do the most basic of things or adapt to the matchups
Or you could stop pretending to be so ignorant. Works out better for all parties involved. You telling people to get better is a cheap excuse for bad design. Plain and simple.
Dope Solo2 votesExactly. All the elements of a forum troll shit post. Don't let it get you down - this board is full of them. I don't care that much about the stopwatch change, but another post is talking about midlane being a farm safe simulator - which is probably true. What else can you do when your matchup is decided by who was the most range and early combo? Overall, this change will just delay the game by 2 more minutes.
BeatzBoyFTW4 votesIm sorry that you require skills to survive now.
Maldini301 votesYou call pressing a button skill now?
BeatzBoyFTW4 votesI was referring to him surviving using his champion's kits, summoner spells & such, not Stopwatch.
Malix Farwin2 votesbecause the rune is literally giving you a free item that everyone is using... the rune is too strong and it's being nerfed accordingly... you can always actually buy the item you know
imo it should be removed unless of course they want to give AP champions an AD damage shield.
Madabc3 votesHonestly I think the nerfs should be longer but they're definitely taking a step into the right direction.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesMaybe mid laners taking it is fine. But tanks, supports, adcs, their mother & grandmother taking it isnt.
Who Fed Ru2 votesOh no you can't autowin anymore be pressing a fcking button
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-14T15:21:20.468+0000)
Oh no you can't autowin anymore be pressing a fcking button
It's a one use item and no one rushes zhonyas when they need morellos. Have you ever heard of forcing the stop watch then just doing your combo again when your cool downs are up? Guess not.
Who Fed Ru2 votesHave you ever heard about not playing like a idiot so you don't even need it at all?
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:26:21.637+0000)
Have you ever heard about not playing like a idiot so you don't even need it at all?
Yeah I didn't think so.
rework trundle2 votesIt's unfun and uninteractive, plain and simple. Have you seen these videos in high elo kor/na where there's a 4v4 bot at 6 minutes and there are 6 stopwatches used? Diversity hello?
Btw, are you new to the game? Stopwatch has been in the game for 2 months, and the game was created 8 or 9 years ago.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:23:21.770+0000)
It's unfun and uninteractive, plain and simple. Have you seen these videos in high elo kor/na where there's a 4v4 bot at 6 minutes and there are 6 stopwatches used? Diversity hello?
Btw, are you new to the game? Stopwatch has been in the game for 2 months, and the game was created 8 or 9 years ago.
The high damage meta also came in 2 months ago. Are you?
rework trundle1 votesThe high damage meta also came in 2 months ago.
no
Are you?
no
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:34:53.792+0000)
no
no
Runes reforged was released with 7.22 which was in november, which accompanied the high damage meta. So yeah, it was 2 months ago. I'm sorry you can't make a half decent argument and just know how to troll.
rework trundle1 votesHmm, let's try. Let's try to find a meta where damage was absurd
Oh, right, lethality meta Oh, right, ADCs before 7.22
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:42:30.841+0000)
Hmm, let's try. Let's try to find a meta where damage was absurd
Oh, right, lethality meta Oh, right, ADCs before 7.22
LOL you actually believe that damage was high compared to what it is now? Jesus christ, dude.
rework trundle1 votesYep. Btw,
I'm sorry you can't make a half decent argument
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:45:49.073+0000)
Yep. Btw,
You literally said nothing in that comment.
You being incapable of seeing it and it not being there are two different things.
rework trundle1 votesWere you refused anything as a child? You can't just say "I'm right and you're not".
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:50:01.452+0000)
Were you refused anything as a child? You can't just say "I'm right and you're not".
Actually, that's not what I said. Wanna try again?
rework trundle1 votesLol, read your previous comments. Why the arrogance? Do you think that'll make me think "oh, he's right about lethality meta being a lower damage meta" ?
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T20:57:23.033+0000)
Lol, read your previous comments. Why the arrogance? Do you think that'll make me think "oh, he's right about lethality meta being a lower damage meta" ?
Just because you don't get it and are acting like a dick doesn't mean I'm obligated to make you get it. It is a problem that you're acting like an ass.
rework trundle1 votesGet what? You're saying Runes Reforged introduced an heavy damage meta, the only thing it did was extend it. It's a fact that ADCs dominated season 7 after the ADC in 2k17 meme. Keep insulting, that doesn't make your argument better.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-14T21:11:40.907+0000)
Get what? You're saying Runes Reforged introduced an heavy damage meta, the only thing it did was extend it. It's a fact that ADCs dominated season 7 after the ADC in 2k17 meme. Keep insulting, that doesn't make your argument better.
Speak for yourself. I get that you find the stopwatch inconvenient or whatever. I mean I do. I get that you find it mildly annoying that a stopwatch stops you from blowing your assassin load early (even though you could literally just come back in a minute or two with the knowledge that it's gone now), but can you think about the person on the receiving end for a sec or two? Probably not.
rework trundle1 votesI mean, yeah, but Stopwatch as a whole is a problem. It doesn't make Zed's ult deal less damage, it makes it deal literally zero damage. In other words, Stopwatch is a hard counter to assassins but assassins can't counter Stopwatch without wasting crucial resources (flash, ignite, jungle presence).
If it was replaced with a mini exhaust I don't think anyone would complain, but Stopwatch is so binary I doubt nerfing it to 8 or 10 minutes will make it balanced (viable).
Edit : either this is a visual bug or I actually can't reply to you.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kBZuY3jJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-02-14T21:48:03.349+0000)
I mean, yeah, but Stopwatch as a whole is a problem. It doesn't make Zed's ult deal less damage, it makes it deal literally zero damage. In other words, Stopwatch is a hard counter to assassins but assassins can't counter Stopwatch without wasting crucial resources (flash, ignite, jungle presence).
If it was replaced with a mini exhaust I don't think anyone would complain, but Stopwatch is so binary I doubt nerfing it to 8 or 10 minutes will make it balanced (viable).
Edit : either this is a visual bug or I actually can't reply to you.
Everyone blows resources like sumnoners and farm to get kills. Assassins are not special in this case which is why I only mentioned them once.
Mig891 votesLast seasonn was a high damage meta too friend. Its why zyra was in pro play as a support. Runes reforged changed the champs doing damage but weve been in the damage meta since late season 6. Remember lethality?
Anatera1 votesLast seasonn was a high damage meta too friend. Its why zyra was in pro play as a support. Runes reforged changed the champs doing damage but weve been in the damage meta since late season 6. Remember lethality?
Compared to right now? No, not really. You could build health items and they actually helped. Not so right now. I mean it "helps" in the most technical sense, but I don't really care about that since technicalities don't always help you win games.
Mig892 votesIdk if this isnt your main account but damage has been nuts for seasons. The preseason and beginning were a little out of hand but thats expected at those times. IMO lethality meta was way worse than what we are in now. Poke damage is out of hand more than anything because of Klepto getting people items way too early. Just because you seem to enjoy abusing the broken free zhonyas everyone is using doesnt give you the right to complain about waiting two minutes to use it. its one of the best actives int he gasme and people are getting it free right off the bat. Its 600g value on top of the active is just nuts for a rune. the item should be deleted. Its BS every ad champ getting GA easier now and a lot of AP champs just sell it once it breads.
Anatera1 votesIdk if this isnt your main account but damage has been nuts for seasons. The preseason and beginning were a little out of hand but thats expected at those times. IMO lethality meta was way worse than what we are in now. Poke damage is out of hand more than anything because of Klepto getting people items way too early. Just because you seem to enjoy abusing the broken free zhonyas everyone is using doesnt give you the right to complain about waiting two minutes to use it. its one of the best actives int he gasme and people are getting it free right off the bat. Its 600g value on top of the active is just nuts for a rune. the item should be deleted. Its BS every ad champ getting GA easier now and a lot of AP champs just sell it once it breads.
I don't enjoy it. It's a necessity. And I wasn't referring specifically to lethality. I was referring to the damage overall.
Colgate Gator1 votesOh my god...why is Riot doing this when there are certain matchups that REQUIRE you to have a stopwatch to live when you and your enemy hit level 6?
It sounds like you're in a dire need of 15cc of git gud stat.