its funny, that people think adc have the least impact on the game right now.

Critmaster Garen·Jan 8, 2017·106 votes·6,731 views

try carrying from top lane. we arent able to even join the game until its already decided 80% of the time.

yes, getting 4 man dived sucks. but at least youre down there. you have some impact on the outcome of whats happening, even if its small. meanwhile our only purpose in life is to babsit the enemy top laner so he doesnt push through to our inhibitor while were trying to join the party.

now, there is nothing wrong with taking a vacation on good old top lane island. but it would be nice if while were away, the children wouldnt burn down the house and the game wasnt entirely decided off what happens in the first 10 minutes down there.

tldr: nerf turret first blood.

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GULAG 4 UJan 8, 201714 votes

It's fucking reddit, full of adc mains

AirKingNeoJan 8, 20174 votes

Except Adc does have the least impact where as top lane and mid have more.

General Esdeath Jan 8, 20178 votes

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AirKingNeoJan 8, 20171 votes

Draven who's neither fed or behind tries to fight Poppy. His axe toss and catch thing costs mana of course. He goes from 80% mana to 0% and only took out less than 40% of Poppy's health. Took over 10 seconds to do that. Wow, such impact.

StephenizgodJan 8, 20177 votes

People need to seriously stop using Poppy as an example... Cait is an example of a broken ADC should we judge all ADC's purely based on her strength? No because she is very strong right now, beyond that of other ADC's. Poppy is the same, she is much stronger than other Tanks because she is naturally tankier and deals about the same amount of damage as most Bruisers, plus she never falls off... her usefulness is based on the players skill with the champion and that is it.

6SfoolJan 8, 20171 votes

A midgame varus who is neither fed nor behind 1v2's a fed jayce and a mildly fed mundo. Deletes Jayce from brush before he gets bursted and then shreds through Mundo's entire hp bar right through ult in 3 seconds of autos. "buff adc's, he actually had to use his ult"

AirKingNeoJan 8, 20177 votes

Sorry but Varus can't 2v1 mundo and Jayce unless they mess up very hard.

Cosmic WarperJan 8, 20173 votes

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A midgame varus who is neither fed nor behind 1v2's a fed jayce and a mildly fed mundo. Deletes Jayce from brush before he gets bursted and then shreds through Mundo's entire hp bar right through ult in 3 seconds of autos. "buff adc's, he actually had to use his ult"

That's not possible unless jayce and mundo are braindead.... there's no way varus can 1v2 a fed jayce and mundo unless he gets his ult off before they even get near him, and even then he can't kill them

6SfoolJan 8, 20171 votes

I did it about 2 weeks ago as ap botlaner. Think I had gunblade, nashors and seeker's armguard. Hid in the bot tribush, ulted jayce just outside the bush, aa, q with thunderlords proc, gunblade active, aa, he was dead and I was pretty low health. Mundo got caught in the ult and missed cleaver, so I e'd him, 3x aa, q, aa until he was dead. And I did the math, the ap build sacrifices poke and raw dps for better burst, tank shredding, and faster resets.

Is it a standard adc? No, but he's still a marksman and this build actually works more like an adc than my ad caster build.

Cosmic WarperJan 9, 20173 votes

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I did it about 2 weeks ago as ap botlaner. Think I had gunblade, nashors and seeker's armguard. Hid in the bot tribush, ulted jayce just outside the bush, aa, q with thunderlords proc, gunblade active, aa, he was dead and I was pretty low health. Mundo got caught in the ult and missed cleaver, so I e'd him, 3x aa, q, aa until he was dead. And I did the math, the ap build sacrifices poke and raw dps for better burst, tank shredding, and faster resets.

Is it a standard adc? No, but he's still a marksman and this build actually works more like an adc than my ad caster build.

People are complaining about marksmen itemization along with traditional marksmen, not some AP burst varus build that's only built by you and managed to work in a super fringe case...

XonraJan 9, 20173 votes

"I built ap Varus and some guys derped at me and misplayed and I surprised them as they likely were mocking me for playing AP Varus. Therefore, Varus is OP and Marskmen are OP"

Inquisitor KaneJan 8, 201711 votes

Do you even play this game, mate?

Sure, top lane is not as easy to carry as mid or jungle, but still is way easier than bot lane. You can play ANYTHING top lane and still do well. Also you can roam mid, teleport anywhere on the map, or split push, or wait for mid game team fights.. and still do well/carry. Top lane is one of the healthiest.. or let's say more versatile lanes in the game right now. Wide range of champs to play, wide range of strategies to go with... just great.

Bot lane - supports needs to be at least 2-3 tiers higher with skill and game knowledge than is their actual rank, to be effective. ADC can't do sh*t against burst mages or assassins. And that is all we see nowadays. And don't get me start onm Ziggs bot that has 0 counter play if played properly. But hey, Meddler is OK with it because he is still high on drugs so can't see clearly what's going on.

Also right now unless Ziggs is banned you have like 4 marksmen you can play and about 6 supports you can pick. Anything else will lose you the game. How cool is that?

Sahn UzalJan 8, 201745 votes

I think people need to see the difference between ''The botlane that's winning'' and ''The botlane that's losing'' The one that's winning just gets to rotate and keep getting objectives with their massive gold lead. The one that's behind is pretty much useless.

Also, Toplane is healthy? Do you mean the lane where tanks just try to brick wall the enemy laner untill mid game starts? Or Ranged toplaners trying to cheese a free lane? Toplane needs a lot of work, but Riot doesn't seem to care a whole lot.

Inquisitor KaneJan 8, 20172 votes

Win - lose yoiu described is true for every lane. Fed mid laner gets to roam for free and impact other lanes, losing mid laner is hugging turret and hoping to get 5 CS before dying again from tower dive. Same goes for jungler and top lane. That is the way snowball in this game works. I am not saying it is good or bad, just that it is the way it is. Discussion about snowball is for another topic :-)

In top lane - if enemy picks tank, you can pick tank shredder. If they pick ranged champ you either know how to play against it or pick also ranged champion. You have ways to deal with anything in there, frankly. You can play marksman, mage, tank, fighter... hell even assassin in there. That sounds much healthier to me than other lanes with only 3-6 playable champions.

Maybe top lane needs a lot of work - I am not gonna argue that since I don't play there - but there are bigger dumpsterfires right now. Like whole bot lane and ADC itemization. :(

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201717 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Kane,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T11:27:35.636+0000)

Win - lose yoiu described is true for every lane. Fed mid laner gets to roam for free and impact other lanes, losing mid laner is hugging turret and hoping to get 5 CS before dying again from tower dive. Same goes for jungler and top lane. That is the way snowball in this game works. I am not saying it is good or bad, just that it is the way it is. Discussion about snowball is for another topic :-)

In top lane - if enemy picks tank, you can pick tank shredder. If they pick ranged champ you either know how to play against it or pick also ranged champion. You have ways to deal with anything in there, frankly. You can play marksman, mage, tank, fighter... hell even assassin in there. That sounds much healthier to me than other lanes with only 3-6 playable champions.

Maybe top lane needs a lot of work - I am not gonna argue that since I don't play there - but there are bigger dumpsterfires right now. Like whole bot lane and ADC itemization. :(

im not sure if you fully understand me.

yes, you can do well on top lane. there is a lot of champion diversity there, and if youre winning the lane is entirely up to you.

but right now, winning or losing top lane has incredibly little impact on the game as a whole. its almost entirely decided by winning or losig bot lane gangbangs.

Inquisitor KaneJan 8, 20172 votes

OK, that makes sense. I think now I get it.

Partially it is because of dragon importance and Rift Herald being a joke. Also 4v2 bot lane usually gives the team double kill, assists and a free tower usually with FB gold on it. Worst case scenario they get a dragon too. If you meant this, then yes, top lane is useless early and it's not important how you do in your top lane.

And that is not gonna change anytime soon. Becqause it looks good and exciting so it will get more views of pro games and more money for Rito. It will take months of Reddit and Boards upheaval for them to fix this.

Still to me it seems more like a bot lane issue than top lane problem. Imagine 4v2 bot lane was not META thing and "must do" tactics for winning. Do you think then top lane would be in better spot or still need a lot of work?

RivuoJan 8, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T11:33:23.256+0000)

im not sure if you fully understand me.

yes, you can do well on top lane. there is a lot of champion diversity there, and if youre winning the lane is entirely up to you.

but right now, winning or losing top lane has incredibly little impact on the game as a whole. its almost entirely decided by winning or losig bot lane gangbangs.

What......... The challengers diamond and masters think otherwise on reddit..

Master ArtoriaJan 8, 20173 votes

Yep cause the Top 1 percent is all that matters right

ShaolinToiletJan 8, 20172 votes

I think it's because low elo does not know how to play top lane so they complain.

VenomarJan 9, 20176 votes

I'd argue top lane is easier to play in lower Elos because your ability to carry and splitpush games into oblivion is a lot easier once you get ahead becuase of lack of enemy team game knowledge, but that's just my low Elo option of it.

XonraJan 9, 20172 votes

Playing top lane isn't really playing top lane right now is the problem.

A few things happen in top:

You are in a slap fight as tanks and Poppy wins
You get counter picked by Jayce if you pick a non-Poppy tank
Someone will occasionally cheese with Quinn
You spend the entire game basically as a support who has to tp to not lose the game through bot lane.

Nothing else actually happens top in 9 out of 10 cases. Unless the enemy team is dumb and let's you split push on the occasional champ that can, you are relegated to "not losing" in lane (because most people just play farm lane top unless they want to feed and fight), then just show up to play "protect the no impact adc" for the rest of the game.

Sahn UzalJan 8, 201731 votes

Win - lose yoiu described is true for every lane. Fed mid laner gets to roam for free and impact other lanes, losing mid laner is hugging turret and hoping to get 5 CS before dying again from tower dive. Same goes for jungler and top lane. That is the way snowball in this game works. I am not saying it is good or bad, just that it is the way it is. Discussion about snowball is for another topic :-)

The issue is that First blood Tower, and botlane tower being weak as fuck makes it way more extreme than it is in other lanes.

ADC Itemisation is really, really strong once it scales. If we're gonna give it more midgame power it needs to lose lategame power.

Champions such as Jayce, Kennen, hell even Gangplank when he was strong are horribly uninteractive laners. Tanks aren't that strong right now (with the exception of Poppy), but their class needs some work, especially their itemisation. (Which they will receive once Riot gets to the vanguard update, but that'll be a while, Especially if Riot decides to rework divers first.)

Inquisitor KaneJan 8, 20172 votes

That makes sense and I can agree with that. :-)

DeusVultJan 8, 20173 votes

Bot lane tower is "weak AF" for the first 5 minutes of the game. Minions dont even get to bot lane until almost 2 minutes. By the time the 4 man dives are happening and you are actually putting real damage onto the enemy turret bot, it is just as strong as every other outer turret.

The real reason it is happening is that bot lane has 2 people in it, making it a bigger target for a gank. You already have 2 people there, mid roams down with jg and maybe even TP from top, get 2-3 kills, take first tower then rotate to a free drag.

Bot lane just has too many early objectives atm and thats why the team that takes them and snowballs usually wins so much. There is nothing you even want to do on the top side of the map for the first 20+ minutes, so it just becomes an island.

MarquisJan 9, 20172 votes

Jayce, Kennen, and Gangplank are some of the most interactive toplaners in the game...

VolcanuzJan 8, 20172 votes

That's a load of shit.

The amount of games i have had where i was in the losing bot lane as ADC and the enemy ADC kills my tower then roams just ends up with me getting a bigger lead. They leave my lane to let me farm, i push up to half way, let the minions break on the tower then cycle mid to help the team. Constantly doing this while ADC roams around, doesn't get farm mid and no kills means i am up on them by the time its full on team fight time. That 3-4 minutes you can catch up while they play poke mid/top means i can hit my 2nd/3rd power spike to catch up to the enemy ADC.

No lane is healthy also. Except jungle. Which is why they are going to see nerfs up until the 3rd patch of this year.

We won't know if things balance out until we see the first 3 patches this year so hold up.

But when you hear RIOT and pros commenting about how horrible a role is you KNOW that role is fucked up. How many pro's or RIOT members have been talking about how bad ADC is atm, fucking tons. Just jump on YT/Reddit/red posts... keep up with LoL news and you will see ADC is in a dire position.

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201715 votes

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The amount of games i have had

in bronze.

like why cant you understand, that the games down there are so overshadowed by individual mistakes, that the meta or overall game mechanics dont matter anymore?

youre basing your opinion on personal games you had in a division that is known for being dominated by constant throws, absolutely 0 teamwork and constant mistakes.

people dont know how to form teamcomps, build their champions, play safe instead of constantly fighting... basically everything. they dont even have the basics down and arent capable of csing, manipulating minion waves or maintain vision and map control.

XonraJan 9, 20172 votes

I can confirm, being in silver 5, no one can capitalize on ANYTHING ever. 99% of the time people are just chasing kills over free every objective. I will literally say in chat "I am pushing to draw pressure, get ready to push bot/take dragon/get tower/whatever thing"

I push in, 4 flippin' peoeple come and I'm like "Hell yeah, free things on the other side of the map".

Mid is taking enemy blue, then dies as the 1 guy left that didn't come top kills him.
Support is split pushing bot by himself
Jungle is just farming obliviously
ADC is recalling full everything because he can afford a pickaxe

I die, and then my team goes "oh shit a fight" and proceed to 3v5 pile in and we get aced.

Most people have no idea how to do literally anything but the one thing right in front of them, which usually means they react like a minion, and chase whatever is closest blindly.

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201713 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inquisitor Kane,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-08T11:18:12.209+0000)

Do you even play this game, mate?

Sure, top lane is not as easy to carry as mid or jungle, but still is way easier than bot lane. You can play ANYTHING top lane and still do well. Also you can roam mid, teleport anywhere on the map, or split push, or wait for mid game team fights.. and still do well/carry. Top lane is one of the healthiest.. or let's say more versatile lanes in the game right now. Wide range of champs to play, wide range of strategies to go with... just great.

Bot lane - supports needs to be at least 2-3 tiers higher with skill and game knowledge than is their actual rank, to be effective. ADC can't do sh*t against burst mages or assassins. And that is all we see nowadays. And don't get me start onm Ziggs bot that has 0 counter play if played properly. But hey, Meddler is OK with it because he is still high on drugs so can't see clearly what's going on.

Also right now unless Ziggs is banned you have like 4 marksmen you can play and about 6 supports you can pick. Anything else will lose you the game. How cool is that?

games right now are almost exclusively decided by which team wins bot lane within the first 10 minutes and snowballs off turret first blood and the objectives down there.

teams that get turret first blood off a bot lane dive have something like 70% winrate right now.

after the nerfs to teleport, the opportunity for roams from top lane has become incredibly rare. you can do well in your lane, but that doesnt help you actually win the game, if the entire rest of your team gets destroyed in the meantime or snowballs without you.

were basically doomed to watch how either side gets destroyed most of the time and are able to join the rest of the game, when its almost over.

the game mechanics changes dont suck just for bot lane, but for top aswell.

Inquisitor KaneJan 8, 20171 votes

What division do you play?

Here in low elo all that you mentioned doesn't mean shit, to be honest :-D

Also you can play Darius or Camille, get fed early then 1v5 mid game thanks to Darius' ult and Camille's mobility. Or split push usually works in soloQ enviroment.

LankPantsJan 8, 20178 votes

Here in low elo all that you mentioned doesn't mean shit, to be honest :-D

Also you can play Darius or Camille, get fed early then 1v5 mid game thanks to Darius' ult and Camille's mobility.

Once low elo works out that ADCs aren't infact turrets and can move while attacking champs like Darius become far less effective. Camille on the other hand is utterly broken, I won't argue against you there.

Or split push usually works in soloQ enviroment.

Split push gets far weaker as you rank up. I only played around high gold to low plat but even there the success rate of split pushes from a champ who isn't insanely fed is pretty low.

XonraJan 9, 20172 votes

Split push isn't really even that effective in low elo (I know because I'm in it). Mostly because this is all that usually happens:

you split push
your team just faffs around doing nothing else
enemy team just runs at you as a group over and over
your team yells at you for not grouping mid because most people have no idea how League of Legends works, and that's as far as they can use their brain to craft a plan to win.

Sire HippingtonJan 8, 201710 votes

Reverting some TP nerfs would be nice aswell. Untill riot actually puts some serious effort into toplane, TP will be mandatory ~95% of the time anyway, so it might aswell actually allow toplaners to impact the game a bit.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 8, 20173 votes

The difference in bot lane between a lane that takes ignite and a lane that takes exhaust isn't that great. They're for different purposes with their different strengths and weaknesses depending on the matchup and playstyle of the one using it.

In mid lane, you can take almost anything.

The difference in top lane between a lane that takes teleport and a lane that takes something that isn't teleport... just feels so, so bad for everyone involved most of the time.

Naomi CoffeeGoatJan 8, 20171 votes

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Sire HippingtonJan 8, 20173 votes

Just that the nerf changed nothing at all. At high elos, a toplaner either snowballs totally out of controll, or his impact on the games is the sum of his TPs. Just that the nerfed TP makes it actually not that easy for an Toplaner to do anything reactively, so right now, the standart is that you get jungler bot behind their tower, place a ward for the TP and then go for the 4vs2 as the huge cast time makes it hard to do anything else with TP, and impacting the game without TP still is hardly possible as toplaner.

So since every toplaner that's worth his shit takes TP, and TP already is used to dive bot most of the time, buffing it back would change nothing other than increasing the overal impact of toplaners and eventually causeing a return of midlane TP.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20173 votes

The first line just shows how absolutly wrong you are.

Look at my winrate with teemo and Illaoi. Every time i get top i can carry my team to some extent. Sure it all depends on my team waking up and joining me but isn't it always that way.

The major problem with ADC is they can't do a set amount of chores that are needed to carry.

They can't solo their lane or gain experience/farm solo. If they do so they have a high risk factor which increases up to 100% the further you push into a lane.
They need some kind of peel during team fights or to use their summoners, making them heavily rely on summs to engage or force a fight/join a fight. Also need to hope their team has high map awareness or to some how keep up with the allied team while also maintaining positioning.
Positioning, the fact they can't posture in an aggressive manor out of their own lane or without heavy warding (3 wards needed to be super safe if it is heca/vi/noct/elise jungle.), and even if they can, they can't in the later game where they are so easy to kill. Which comes to...
The fact they are glass, seriously glass. People say "glass cannon build" when that just doesn't exist anymore, its just glass all the time. Never will you see a tough to kill adc unless they are stupid high attack speed and lifesteal, which by that point if you haven't won the game you must be bad. ADC can be one shot from Supp to top champs with the average build, which comes to 5..
The normal powerspike for an ADC is 3 item, those items normally being a BF sword item(BT/ER/IE/Dusk) and Hurricane/Shiv with boots being the third item. That is around 6k gold worth of items most times depending on which items you get. Compare that to for mid mages, which is an insane boost at fraction the cost, and at that point you will be 6 and able to one shot most ADC or the enemy mid laner. Top is the same, Black cleaver is a little more expensive though, but still very obtainable, with me being able to get it on Illaoi even when losing lane, plus the build path gives me insane survivability.
Scaling. Overall ADC scale via items, we need AD items to get anything, most ADC don't rely on their abilities to maximize damage. And those who do rely on auto attacks for those abilities to actually increase our overall DPS, to name a few like that . All those champions i linked there NEED to auto attack in their whole kit for their abilities to increase their damage, they can't just use their abilities and expect them to do the work. Imagine if Ahri needed to auto the person for charm to activate after it landed? Thats what it is like for Varus when he needs to stack his W to get the bonus from hitting them with Q. Or Trist when she throws her E and needs to land 5 autos to get it to do 100% of its damage. What about twitch? His whole kit revolves around E and his passive to do his crazy damage. Remove his passive and E and he loses close to 60% of his trade damage pre-6.
The fact that when you win your lane, its most likely due to another lane helping you. The amount of games i see where the jungle did all the work or at least 50% of the work for winning bot lane is absolutly insane. And that is in bronze ELO. Ask anyone in gold+ if 2 people without jungler can win lane and they will laugh. They will also tell you to fuck off while asking for a gank from jungle.

Overall. Yes. ADC can't carry, for ADC to carry they would need to do double the work they normally do. When a ADC carrys there is a LOT of strings pulled in the background and overall becomes more of a team game than a carry game. The only time you will see an ADC outright carry is in silver or below, because sadly it is the truth..

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201711 votes

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The first line just shows how absolutly wrong you are.

Look at my winrate with teemo and Illaoi.

no offense dude, but youre bronze on OCE.

shit like this works in bronze, because at that rating people throw leads left and right. the game youre playing down there is completely different to whats being played higher up the ladder.

not to mention, a lot of teams are so disorganized that they dont even know how to deal with certain top lane carries like darius for example.

people arent working well together down there. they dont group and rotate to maximize the gold off turrets for their team for example, because they dont even understand how these mechanics work. snowballs down there happen for entirely different reasons, because people are just constantly chasing each other down for kills, and objectives have little meaning to them.

in higher divisions, where people dont throw as much, its a lot harder to carry against the snowballs that are happening right now. and the other 50% games where your own team snowballs, top doesnt matter a lot either. you just join the rest of your team at some point to end.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20171 votes

Sigh. Another ignorant moron who thinks because he is in NA that he is good. If you look again NA is one of the worst regions for bronze to gold play.

Did you even read my post?

If you did you would see my explanations were on point showing that this isn't my fucking main account.

That being said, i play this account as BOT only unless i am FORCED to play top/mid/jg/supp. Which is why im still stuck in this fucking elo on this account where my others are out of it in 10-20 games(to be fair my other accounts don't/didn't start in bronze which made it easier). But if you were to look you would see a good lot of my wins or higher percent win rate on this account are in other lanes. When i do lose them (that lane) it is because i didn't expect to get the other lane and i am tilted because im so engrossed in the adc style of play my brain is out of whack and i lose my lane which impacts the game more than if i lost lane in bot.

OTP is harder to do for ADC also. As the best to OTP either get banned constantly (Cait/Vayne) or get picked. Also some rely heavily on certain supp picks (varus, twitch, ect). So i can't even play my OTP champion for long before counters/bad supps just make me want to kill my self.

Also look, if you expect me to show my other accounts, i want you to show your main account too. You fucking wont i bet. Just like i won't show my main account/second account to you. So you can rag on this account all you like, it does sweet fuck all to me.

Just read my post for real this time and don't just skim it.

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201710 votes

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Sigh. Another ignorant moron who thinks because he is in NA that he is good.

no, i think bronze games on any server have absolutely no meaning.

ive seen bronze spectates on korea, and its the same garbage plays thats happening on na, and its most definitely the same on your server.

you havent actually played the game on a meaningful level to understand what im talking about. im sorry, if that hurts your feelings, but bronze games having no meaning when it comes to game balance isnt exactly a secret. and yes, this is a forum smurph.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20171 votes

No you are a kid who thinks he knows what he is talking about but is probably only silver on his main account so he jumps on his smurf account to hide the fact he knows shit all about the subject at hand.

Go away you child.

LankPantsJan 8, 20177 votes

He's completely right, Bronze games on any server are complete shitfests where noone has even a basic understanding of the game. I wouldn't use them as a gauge for anything at all. I was able to carry my friend's Bronze game by literally telling him basic map movements while watching over his shoulder, it only takes basic knowledge and strategy to reach silver.

It's not the fact that you play on OCE that makes your games irreverent, it's the fact that you play in Bronze. I'd say the same thing to a Bronze from NA, EUW, KR or any server.

I do think calling out ranks on a forum smurf is a bit hypocritical, but his point's not wrong, it just applies to him as well unless he decides to post on his main or at least link a credible account.

Before you call me out for being unranked as well I was G1 last season and actually got within a game of Plat, not the best rank ever but still respectable. I've not got a rank yet this season because my video card's been fucked and I'm not actually able to play, most likely I'll place high silver at worst.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20171 votes

My point is he can't shoot down ALL my points just because im on my bronze account. Its stupid and ignorant.

Then you add the fact he is on a smurf account and its even worse. He is being a child and using multiple accounts to keep this thread up and alive and its sad. It should be buried among all the other shitposts on this forum. This thread and him are why this community is still cancerous.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20173 votes

LET ME ALSO ADD!!

Most of the damage done for ADC's is at the last 25% of the game. Take one of my games as cait a day or more ago. I was criting the team for 900dmg per shot, close to 1000 on the squish targets. At the end the damage done on champions was close to 70K. Now i got 4 of my 7 kills at the last fight. That means around 30 or so thousand damage was done in that fight alone.

The only way we impact the game right now is if you let the game reach the 30 min mark. IF you do that you are fucking bad.

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 20179 votes

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Most of the damage done for ADC's is at the last 25% of the game.

this statistic doesnt mean shit, since it flattens out the damage over the entire game.

lets just ignore for a second that youre only looking at you personal matches, which is nothing more than anecdotal evidence.

if you have 2 bruisers on top lane who are stacking health and are constantly trading with each other, and 2 adc on bot lance who dance around each other trying to avoid taking damage, that alone is enough for a bruiser to accumulate 2 times the damage dealt to champions of an adc over the course of the first half of the game.

and again. bronze. its important that you understand that youre not playing the same game as everybody else.

bronze games are not reflective of game health, because theyre an absolute mess. which is why riot doesnt even consider any games below plat mmr when it comes to decisions about game balance.

VolcanuzJan 8, 20171 votes

Omg how about you fucking look at your self in the mirror LEVEL 10. You aren't even ranked you dimwit.

Also like your self and that i have mentioned in another reply THIS ISN'T MY MAIN ACCOUNT DUH!!

Big LincolnJan 8, 20175 votes

post your main account then dude

at least he's being obvious about being on a forum smurf, you're just talking shit from a bronze account and using anecdotes as an argument

yoshi2790Jan 8, 20171 votes

summoner 12

General Esdeath Jan 8, 201717 votes

5 minute cooldown
5 seconds to channel
Enemy top laner will just shove and kill your tower which is so weak it can't defend itself past 5 minutes
can all use your channel time to run or set up CC to instantly kill you

Critmaster GarenJan 8, 201713 votes

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5 minute cooldown

5 seconds to channel

Enemy top laner will just shove and kill your tower which is so weak it can't defend itself past 5 minutes

can all use your channel time to run or set up CC to instantly kill you