Riot please concede

Tychusfindlay919··55 votes·1,878 views

item 3071 item 3053 item 3025

Should be melee only, they should literally be restricted only to melee. Once this is done, we can actually work towards fixing melee v ranged so that tanks and juggernauts won't be as bad as they are now compared to ranged counterparts that abuse THEIR items.

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ItsOrval13 votes

Heres what should be melee items:

item 3053 item 3153 item 3071 item 3147 item 3814 item 3025 item 3022

AirKingNeo2 votes

Maybe night of edge, but not Duskblade. That's a Quinn nerf. Also just make BoRK 6% if ranged, 8% if melee instead, cause Kalista.

Saianna11 votes

Duskblade was created as assassins tool.

ADCs ain't assassins = fuck ADCs and their demands = duskblade melee only.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Quinn IS AN ASSASSIN

No other AD carry would build duskblade because that requires building more armor pen. ADCs don't usually wanna build armor pen and build crit. However now that armor pen is more balanced ADCs should have the diversity to build it if they want and fall off properly/not snowball insanely.

Also do you really want to fuck ADCs over? Do you know how these boards work? They whine and complain about whatever class is weak. Morde's weak and getting "nerfed"? 5 threads about Rylais. Beginning of season 6, everyone complaining ADCs are too weak? 5 threads on ADCs/Last Whisper. Besides, you're saying fuck ADCs yet we complain about Kalista being weak and no other ADC than Quinn would build Duskblade.

This kind of mentality of "well this X is strong so FUCK THEM and lets NERF THEM INTO THE GROUND AND NEVER BE GOOD FOR MONTHS" is the stupidest thing I see. What about those mains? Was it really fair to Jax mains for Jax to be completely gutted just because "he was strong at time." (48% winrate top lane, 52% jungle.) No, it wasn't. Neither is it fair to Quinn to be nerfed for no reason.

TwinkiePro6 votes

No one really cares if ADCs are weak. We'd love that actually. No one like fighting quinn top because we know players like that are just abusing her for her range and self peel. No skill about her against any melee.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Quinn mid? What about that?

"But no one plays it!" No one plays Morde either.

TwinkiePro1 votes

Then we would treat it the same as varus with weaker poke but much stronger peel. It's the peel part on quinn everyone feels is toxic. point and click reposition stun into blind. Good fucking luck countering that.

AirKingNeo3 votes

And the Azir's Wall is toxic, but we said buff him. Kalista's passive is toxic and we said buff her. Morde's ult is toxic and we're saying buff him.

Also Quinn's E's knockback is very brief, half a second. Her Q is easy to dodge. Her damage laning phase isn't that good.

TwinkiePro1 votes

Lee Sin's ult stun last shorter yet everyone complains about that. Morgana snare is 3 seconds on a ~7 second CD at 30% CDR. Nasus Wither is a scaling slow that caps around 99% and last a total of 5 seconds, and no one complains about that. The durations are not the problem, It's that she is very difficult to deal with and is very much a lane bully.

You are also comparing Ultimates and a passive to an 8 second miniature knock up with a 50% slow that scales down over a second or so. This also marks them for her passive. This can easily be followed up with her Q to deal more damage and mark them again with her passive, which also blinds them to anything beyond a short radius. Do you understand how irritating she is to deal with as a melee champion? Or how difficult it is to run from her or stop her ult at her speed for anybody?

On a side note, how is morde's ultimate toxic? irritating with rylais but nothing more.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Lee has to get into melee range to ult. Morg snare is very dodgable. Nasus is still Nasus.

You're the one who called Quinn toxic but she has counterplay.

Morde ult? Take a dragon and you got a free tower.

ShaolinToilet10 votes

Stop saying no one and we.

TwinkiePro1 votes

"Most"

The difference is negligible anyways. 97% or more basically encompasses my words.

Ahristocats1 votes

as long as i agree with what should be done, this is right we can't speak for everyone.

Arybus3 votes

"No other AD carry would build duskblade because that requires building more armor pen."

OH...{{champion:6} }of {{champion:21} course Lucian no marksman Jhin everDraven buildsTwitch GravesArmorVarusPenetrationJayce Lucian MissFortune

AirKingNeo5 votes

Jhin, Twitch, Graves, and Draven all build ghostblade into Crit. Varus is a mage marksmen, he builds armor pen as a caster which isn't unhealthy. Jayce isn't a marksmen he's an anti-bruiser and as a caster he's supposed to build armor pen. Lucian builds crit now, unsure about MF but she'd be the only one.

EDIT: Downvoted for being correct, nice people really showing how mature this community can be.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Quinn is an adc

Leetri2 votes

Jhin, Twitch and Vayne are officially Marksmen/Assassins, so technically they should be able to use the item just like Zed or Talon.

Saianna1 votes

Yes, and Garen is technically a mage then.. stop this nonsense.

They are hybrid'ish assassins at best.

Riot nerfed the living shit out of assassin part in twitch though.

Leetri1 votes

Yes, having 2 roles usually means they're a hybrid, like how Garen is a Fighter/Tank hybrid or how Katarina is an Assassin/Mage hybrid. Talon, Zed, Rengar, Kha'Zix, Fizz and Ekko are Slayer/Fighter hybrids, the only "pure" assassins in the game are Akali and Shaco. So I guess that means only Akali and Shaco are allowed to use the assassin items then.

HazyCloud71 votes

You say that as if nerfing Quinn is a bad thing? She's one of the cheesiest champions in the game. Just by being viable top lane is a far worse place.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Not ruined king, every else yeah.

Awoof2 votes

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Heres what should be melee items: item 3153

Why? As far as I remember this was made for adcs primarily.

Ahristocats2 votes

read xypherous when he made the item.

Hinagiku332 votes

Actually, when item 3153 was added it was a Fighter item. It gave no Attack Speed, did 4% of current HP and healed you for half in addition to the AD, Lifesteal, and active. Later on it was reworked into a Marksman item and given Attack Speed and the forums complained that Riot was taking away Fighter items to give Marksmen even more tools to hose them.

Glad to see that never changed /s

The Space Cowboy6 votes

Can we add item 3814 item 3147 and maybe even item 3153 to the list? -Bork just so they can tune it up for intended users.

Bob41311 votes

On the PBE, item 3153 got its passive back up to 8%, so its at least not so terrible

The Space Cowboy3 votes

Ya, but inevitably it will get abused and nerfed. If it was melee only maybe they could leave it at 8%.

notice me Sin pi4 votes

unfortunately we will never see any sort of treatment unless it becomes a serious issue in LC$ which are not gonna happen for a long time from now on either

ZacsRealm4 votes

Urgot item 3071

AirKingNeo1 votes

It's just like Morde and Rylais. It's such an underused thing that they shouldn't really care. Like nerfing Rylais, should they buff Azir? No, Azir still hasn't been fixed.

Seenan3 votes

I never see much champs build Steraks anymore on non-tanks, even though it can be completely necessary.

TBC on ranged should be half as effective or something since they can apply stacks easier. Frostborn has broken Ezreal for a whole season or two, and even got it changed slightly/nerfed in damage (I believe also Ekko and some other bruisers got it nerfed to 100%).

Mordepool2 votes

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I never see much champs build Steraks anymore on non-tanks, even though it can be completely necessary.

TBC on ranged should be half as effective or something since they can apply stacks easier. Frostborn has broken Ezreal for a whole season or two, and even got it changed slightly/nerfed in damage (I believe also Ekko and some other bruisers got it nerfed to 100%).

They don't build it on Abusers (Marksman) anymore because they Nerfed the stats. So the Juggernaut & Tank items got Nerfed how the fk is that fair. Make it melee only and then buff it fk Marksman and their whiny asses

AirKingNeo2 votes

Lets not fuck marksmen but still don't allow them to abuse bruiser items.

This kind of mentality of "well this X is strong so FUCK THEM and lets NERF THEM INTO THE GROUND AND NEVER BE GOOD FOR MONTHS" is the stupidest thing I see. What about those mains? Was it really fair to Jax mains for Jax to be completely gutted just because "he was strong at time." (48% winrate top lane, 52% jungle.) No, it wasn't. Neither is it fair to Quinn to be nerfed for no reason.

Bârd3 votes

Yeah, fuck different builds!

Ezreal should only be able to build item 3078 item 3042 ! MissFortune should only be able to build crit! Gnar should be forced to build item 3068 item 3143 item 3065, because FUCK dynamic playstyles! Pure tanks for life! Urgot should go rot in a corner until people learn to play him as an ADC! I mean, that's what Rito advertises him as, so of course that's what he is! Kindred build a fucking item 3031 you dolts! Malzahar Sorry, no more nostalgic AD build for you!

/s

Veltox1 votes

I think item 3053 should be kept universal. item 3071 obviously. item 3025 no more blue cancer Ezreal ? YUS PLZ. How about item 3072 too?draintanking for adc's should not be a thing imo.

AirKingNeo4 votes

Gage needs to be melee and buffed so ADCs can't abuse it but Bruisers can actually buy it.

Astôlfo1 votes

They should have made all the flat armor pen/Lethality items melee only.

Impish Yordle1 votes

Rip Gnar

Tychusfindlay9196 votes

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Rip Gnar

A ranged bruiser that transforms into a juggernaut with vanguard level cc? Yeah riot overloaded and fukt him up severely. That being said, he is like mordekaiser. We will not stand by and let cleaver continue to be used by ADCs, regardless of whether the change dumpsters gnar or not, I dont give a shit quite frankly. They can always give gnar the garen treatment and give him some innate shred. They can prob work it into his three hit passive.

MrWasjig1 votes

As soon as these items are made Melee Only, they can be given some decent fucking stats too [zombie-brand-clap]

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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As soon as these items are made Melee Only, they can be given some decent fucking stats too [zombie-brand-clap]

While I agree that IBG and steraks are both pitiful, cleaver is in a fine spot for the most part.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

item 3053 - yes definitely item 3025 - uhmmm no, only ezreal uses it and he isnt a problem item 3071 - i am not sure, its broken on some champions (mf, lucian, jayce, gnar) but then again somebody like urgot would be destroyed item 3022 - this should be number one item removed from ranged, the constant slow is cancerous on ranged champions item 3814 - I think should also be melee only so that it doesnt get abused by ADC's

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