Is there an actual reason pyke has 170 armor with just runes and a ga? :/ like that’s more than 90% of actual tanks.
And no. I don’t care “oh he can’t build hp, so he needs it.” No. He’s a fucking assassin. He’s not suppose to be tanky.
Why are assassins being handed tank stats for no reason.
Can my tanks get some of this assassin level burst? I mean. It’s only fair.
Sir Saltarin3 votesHey I agree with your post for this time, take my upvote
xxxliltrash 2 votesyou see, pyke is supposed to be an risky alternative for those mega risk plays and high reward players, in bot lane. the high armor per level is just part of the risky assassin champ design. his kit is an reflection of this very ideology. i'll explain to you why
lets start off with his passive, which allows him to heal back 30% of all damage you deal to him at level one, 42% at level 5 and 81% at level 18. you see, the gigaminds at riot knew, that by giving the option to heal back half his health from trades in laning phase, pyke would stay alive longer, therefore have more opportunities to maybe make a bad play and int, lookin like a fooltard . ego is the most valued possession of all lol players, and not being better than you is the greatest risk of them all.
to further push the idea that you are indeed a assassin support, and not one of those virjhin loser cc tank supports, your lvl 1 base armor is now compromised to only being the 2nd highest in the game. ontop of that, you cannot build health because they become ad. who would want to build health items on pyke anyways, with such a passive that only rewards you for doing risky plays and fighting, and not for free because you walked to a brush.
now, finally to his R. it is an rule of nature that every assassin must have a flashy kill adc button located on r.death from below, pyke's ult, kills adcs and others good,does lotta tru damage,can be recast on kill, can be recast on almost kill, gives 300 gold to ally, and has a large range aswell as aoe. the catch? the catch is that death from below is a skill shot, similar to nid spear. you need the disciplined finesse and quick thinking to carefully execute your enemies with your true damage mid fight, and even more to do it again within 20 seconds.
pyke's ability to be resilient, shrugging off poke and trades, while keeping the opposition cc'ed and then pentakilling them with a ranged aoe skillshot, makes him the absolute perfect replication of the assassin ideology in league of legends,in the same way as got season 8 replicate its book.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=xxxliltrash ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k8LEEqKi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-31T05:36:48.168+0000)
you see, pyke is supposed to be an risky alternative for those mega risk plays and high reward players, in bot lane. the high armor per level is just part of the risky assassin champ design. his kit is an reflection of this very ideology. i'll explain to you why
lets start off with his passive, which allows him to heal back 30% of all damage you deal to him at level one, 42% at level 5 and 81% at level 18. you see, the gigaminds at riot knew, that by giving the option to heal back half his health from trades in laning phase, pyke would stay alive longer, therefore have more opportunities to maybe make a bad play and int, lookin like a fooltard . ego is the most valued possession of all lol players, and not being better than you is the greatest risk of them all.
to further push the idea that you are indeed a assassin support, and not one of those virjhin loser cc tank supports, your lvl 1 base armor is now compromised to only being the 2nd highest in the game. ontop of that, you cannot build health because they become ad. who would want to build health items on pyke anyways, with such a passive that only rewards you for doing risky plays and fighting, and not for free because you walked to a brush.
now, finally to his R. it is an rule of nature that every assassin must have a flashy kill adc button located on r.death from below, pyke's ult, kills adcs and others good,does lotta tru damage,can be recast on kill, can be recast on almost kill, gives 300 gold to ally, and has a large range aswell as aoe. the catch? the catch is that death from below is a skill shot, similar to nid spear. you need the disciplined finesse and quick thinking to carefully execute your enemies with your true damage mid fight, and even more to do it again within 20 seconds.
pyke's attribute to be resilient, shruggring off poke and trades, while keeping the opposition cc'ed and then pentakilling them with a ranged aoe skillshot, makes him the absolute perfect replication of the assassin ideology in league of legends,in the same way as got season 8 replicate its book.
Long story short. Start dodging as soon as pyke is picked. Got it. XD
Hotarµ1 voteshttps://imgur.com/73ihCuA.png?noredirect
He gets high base stats because that's all he ever gets.
Realistically speaking and aside from Aftershock, Pyke will never build any form of bonus armor or MR, he can't build some defensive items like Phantom Dancer or Sterak's Gage, and he cannot build any bonus health.
And no. I don’t care “oh he can’t build hp, so he needs it.” No. He’s a fucking assassin. He’s not suppose to be tanky.
Except he's not tanky, he literally cannot build any bonus stats other than lethality or AD without gimping himself. You can maybe make tank Pyke work if you're incredibly experienced, but it's just more effort than it's worth.
Why are assassins being handed tank stats for no reason.
Pyke is a support-assassin, one who can't build any bonus stats. He needs high base stats to survive.
Can my tanks get some of this assassin level burst? I mean. It’s only fair.
If you're getting 100-0ed by a Pyke alone, Pyke is insanely fed or you're doing something wrong.
Likewise, if you can't kill a Pyke after CCing him for 1-2 seconds, you're doing something wrong.
The thigh guy1 voteshttps://imgur.com/73ihCuA.png?noredirect
He gets high base stats because that's all he ever gets.
Realistically speaking and aside from Aftershock, Pyke will never build any form of bonus armor or MR, he can't build some defensive items like Phantom Dancer or Sterak's Gage, and he cannot build any bonus health. No. He’s a fucking assassin. He’s not suppose to be tanky.
Except he's not tanky, he literally cannot build any bonus stats other than lethality or AD without gimping himself. You can maybe make tank Pyke work if you're incredibly experienced, but it's just more effort than it's worth.
Pyke is a support-assassin, one who can't build any bonus stats. He needs high base stats to survive.
If you're getting 100-0ed by a Pyke alone, Pyke is insanely fed or you're doing something wrong.
Likewise, if you can't kill a Pyke after CCing him for 1-2 seconds, you're doing something wrong.
So let me get this straight. You are about to sit and argue. That 150 armor. As a BASE STAT. Isn’t tanky?
And no. I don’t care that he can’t survive without massive stats.
He has 2 forms of cc Mobility INSANE damage 100% lane agency Dual scalings Ms steroids True damage executes Shares gold
He has EVERY benefit of being an assassin and then some. This champion is litteraly handed everything in this game.
Hotarµ1 votesSo let me get this straight. You are about to sit and argue. That 150 armor. As a BASE STAT. Isn’t tanky?
Yes, because he's restricted by the fact that
And no. I don’t care that he can’t survive without massive stats.
He has 2 forms of cc Mobility INSANE damage 100% lane agency Dual scalings Ms steroids True damage executes Shares gold
He has EVERY benefit of being an assassin and then some. This champion is litteraly handed everything in this game.
Here we go again with the listing of every single ability in an attempt to make the champion sound overpowered.
Yeah, you're right, Pyke does have everything.
Except, you know, healing, shielding, reliable abilities (since they're all telegraphed), the ability to build tank, and much more. You know, things that a support would want and be able to make use of.
The thigh guy1 votesYes, because he's restricted by the fact that
he can't build any health and realistically won't build any type of resistances without kneecappnig himself
Here we go again with the listing of every single ability in an attempt to make the champion sound overpowered.
Yeah, you're right, Pyke does have everything.
Except, you know, healing, shielding, reliable abilities (since they're all telegraphed), the ability to build tank, and much more. You know, things that a support would want and be able to make use of.
So by the logic you are putting down right now. ALL tanks need a true damage execute that resets. And doesn’t need ad to scale?
Because that’s exactly what you are saying about pyke.
170 armor with just a ga.
Hotarµ1 votesAnd doesn’t need ad to scale?
I suggest you stop basing your opinions off of LCS matches or the few Pykes you encounter in your games. You're so misinformed on so many things.
Pyke needs AD and Lethality to consistently perform well. His ultimate, Q, W, E, and passive all scale off of AD and/or Lethality. Everything from his damage, his E's stun time, his ultimate threshold, and even his W's MS boost scale with those two stats.
#Building full tank is a great way to gimp yourself later on in the game, since it only benefits himself. Pyke is not a solo-oriented champion, he needs a team to perform well with. If he can't lock targets down, he's more of a liability than a threat. This is why Pyke players take Aftershock, because it gives him some survivability without crippling his damage output.
Because that’s exactly what you are saying about pyke.
No, if you actually read what I said, I said Pyke's situation is justified because he has certain limits that hold him back.
Pyke has high base stats, yes, but that's because he crumbles instantly under any hard CC and focus from a competent team or player.
Pyke requires a strong ultimate and some survivability because he's a very high risk, very high reward champion. One misstep and you're dead.
######this is the part where you try to say that Pyke has 9,000 dashes and blinks and is unkillable, it's also where our conversation ends
The thigh guy1 votesI suggest you stop basing your opinions off of LCS matches or the few Pykes you encounter in your games. You're so misinformed on so many things.
Pyke needs AD and Lethality to consistently perform well. His ultimate, Q, W, E, and passive all scale off of AD and/or Lethality. Everything from his damage, his E's stun time, his ultimate threshold, and even his W's MS boost scale with those two stats.
#Building full tank is a great way to gimp yourself later on in the game, since it only benefits himself. Pyke is not a solo-oriented champion, he needs a team to perform well with. If he can't lock targets down, he's more of a liability than a threat. This is why Pyke players take Aftershock, because it gives him some survivability without crippling his damage output.
No, if you actually read what I said, I said Pyke's situation is justified because he has certain limits that hold him back.
Pyke has high base stats, yes, but that's because he crumbles instantly under any hard CC and focus from a competent team or player.
Pyke requires a strong ultimate and some survivability because he's a very high risk, very high reward champion. One misstep and you're dead.
######this is the part where you try to say that Pyke has 9,000 dashes and blinks and is unkillable, it's also where our conversation ends
Whatever dude. EVERY champion crumble under hard cc. :/ the fact that he turns hp into ad isn’t just a negative.
Also love how you ignore the point that ga pumps him to 170 armor. More armor than TANKS get after 2 full armor items. But w/e. Clearly you don’t listen.
Pyke isn’t even close to high risk. ;/ you can’t say a champion with bases THAT fucking high, and immunity to poke, and hyper mobility, and dual scalings is high risk. And if you do. Then I don’t know what to tell you other than, you’re fucking wrong.
Hotarµ1 votesWhatever dude. EVERY champion crumble under hard cc. :/
Pyke crumbles doubly so, which is because he can't build bonus health or resistances.
Also you're ignoring the fact that I brought up other counters, like dodging his insanely telegraphed abilities or using true damage on him and miniscule health pool.
Go back and reread what I said in my comments here and on your other post.
the fact that he turns hp into ad isn’t just a negative.
It's not that gold efficient, again meaning that you end up gimping yourself by going full tank.
Maybe you should actually play Pyke instead of just looking at numbers and descriptions.
Also love how you ignore the point that ga pumps him to 170 armor.
In the two separate conversations I've had with you, I've frequently brought up his high base stats and why he needs them.
Now, do you know why I don't harp on it like a broken record?
Because I'm able to actually look at the bigger picture. You see a large number and all you can think of is that he's broken when in reality he needs those numbers to survive.
Pyke can't build max health and has low base stats? Instantly a garbage tier champion, would never accomplish anything outside of a few matchups. Maybe. It's like Yasuo without critical strike, an ADC without attack speed or damage, a tank without tank stats.
#He literally needs those stats to survive and flow with the rest of his kit, take those away and he's nothing.
Clearly you don’t listen.
Except I've responded to everything you've brought up with great anecdotal evidence and advice, meanwhile all you can say is that Pyke is broken because he has 170 armor, that he's braindead, and listing out his abilities one by one in an attempt to make him seem broken.
Ironic, isn't it?
Pyke isn’t even close to high risk. ;/ you can’t say a champion with bases THAT fucking high, and immunity to poke, and hyper mobility, and dual scalings is high risk. And if you do. Then I don’t know what to tell you other than, you’re fucking wrong.
Just going to requote myself from a previous comment. You have a lot to learn if you want to have genuine discussions about balancing or champions in general.
"Maybe you should actually play Pyke instead of just looking at numbers and descriptions."
Okay. Bye now!
[vlad-salute]
The thigh guy1 votesPyke crumbles doubly so, which is because he can't build bonus health or resistances.
Also you're ignoring the fact that I brought up other counters, like dodging his insanely telegraphed abilities or using true damage on him and miniscule health pool.
Go back and reread what I said in my comments here and on your other post.
It's not that gold efficient, again meaning that you end up gimping yourself by going full tank.
Maybe you should actually play Pyke instead of just looking at numbers and descriptions.
In the two separate conversations I've had with you, I've frequently brought up his high base stats and why he needs them.
Now, do you know why I don't harp on it like a broken record?
Because I'm able to actually look at the bigger picture. You see a large number and all you can think of is that he's broken when in reality he needs those numbers to survive.
Pyke can't build max health and has low base stats? Instantly a garbage tier champion, would never accomplish anything outside of a few matchups. Maybe. It's like Yasuo without critical strike, an ADC without attack speed or damage, a tank without tank stats.
#He literally needs those stats to survive and flow with the rest of his kit, take those away and he's nothing.
Except I've responded to everything you've brought up with great anecdotal evidence and advice, meanwhile all you can say is that Pyke is broken because he has 170 armor, that he's braindead, and listing out his abilities one by one in an attempt to make him seem broken.
Ironic, isn't it?
Just going to requote myself from a previous comment. You have a lot to learn if you want to have genuine discussions about balancing or champions in general.
"Maybe you should actually play Pyke instead of just looking at numbers and descriptions."
Okay. Bye now!
[vlad-salute]
Okay. Inform me. What does Pyke give up from an assassins kit? Damage? That’s a joke Mobility? Doubly so Utility? Nope. Has more.
He doesn’t give anything up. He’s all upside.
And i do play pyke. :/ it’s laughably easy. He’s litteraly just easy mode thresh
#give maokai a 50% true damage execute that resets, blinks him, and grants allies gold.
Jaspers1 votesI have mentioned this before but for some reason people downvote me and say "Because he can't build HP."
I just say "I know, but why does he have 130 base Armour?" like because he can't build HP means he should have the highest base armour, He can build armour.
No one has ever given me an actual answer. At least liltrash below gave it a good go.
The thigh guy1 votesI have mentioned this before but for some reason people downvote me and say "But he can't build HP."
I just say "I know, but why does he have 130 base Armour?" like because he can't build HP means he should have the highest base armour, He can build armour.
No one has ever given me an actual answer.
Exactly. Had a game where I was critting on Draven for well over 1000 damage. Throw an axe at a pyke with only a ga. Crit for 200 damage. Like. Okay. Squishy my ass.
Ionshatter1 votesTanks already have assassin level burst. Illoai can basically AOE 1 shot entire teams by flash ulting.
The thigh guy1 votesTanks already have assassin level burst. Illoai can basically AOE 1 shot entire teams by flash ulting.
Illaoi isn’t a tank. She’s a bruiser. Big difference.
Ionshatter1 votesIllaoi is not a bruiser. If you want to get technical she is actually a juggernaut, similar to Morde or Darius, or Nasus. My point still stands, is absurdly tanky while dealing a billion damage.
The thigh guy1 votesIllaoi is not a bruiser. If you want to get technical she is actually a juggernaut, similar to Morde or Darius, or Nasus. My point still stands, is absurdly tanky while dealing a billion damage.
Bruiser and juggernaut are the same thing.
No mobility, or hard cc. Different from a tank. As tanks have large amounts of cc.
Ionshatter1 voteshttps://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Fighter#Juggernauts
Literally has a picture of Illoai on it. She isn't a bruiser, bruisers are durable sustain damage champs with some mobility, some cc. Tanks have huge cc. Juggernauts are Highly durable high damage 0 mobility champs.
The thigh guy1 voteshttps://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Fighter#Juggernauts
Literally has a picture of Illoai on it. She isn't a bruiser, bruisers are durable sustain damage champs with some mobility, some cc. Tanks have huge cc. Juggernauts are Highly durable high damage 0 mobility champs.
Still not a tank. Tanks need assassin burst because assassins are tankier than tanks now. Only fair rito.
